theAudience said:

this thread is doomed!

Rhondab said:

Of course I like white people doing music... remember my thread about the top 10 Blue Eyed Soul Voices?

I'm down with:

The Police/Sting
St. Paul
Teena Marie
Joss Stone
Boy George
Joni Mitchell
Elton John
Joe Cocker
Wendy & Lisa
George Michael
Duran Duran
3rd Bass
Boney James
Steely Dan
Doobie Bros./Michael McDonald
Michael Franks
Dave Coz
Bowie
David Sanborn
[Edited 9/17/05 18:16pm]

ThreadBare said:

tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

TheCrucialExperience said:

Latino is not the correct term either. A true Latino is an Italian. Latin is a language that started in Italy and turned into the Italian language and other languages derived from Latin, including Spanish. Spaniards from Spain are not called Latino and the Spanish sub-cultures in the Americas should not be called Latino either. It's bastardizing the word and the meaning. Hispanic is not a race, it is a culture. You can be any race and be hispanic by culture. I know plenty of people who don't have a problem with being call hispanic

Janfriend said:

Ok, so what do you call them then? Because the Latinoes I speak to, very well educated/professors, say they wanna be known as Latino and NOT Hispanic. They truly despise that term.

TheCrucialExperience said:

Er, more important -- whose music do they like?

Mo

its like this, that answer wasnt meant to be offesive (i dont think), just that posters opinion. if u wanna be known as an african american, thats fine, but everyone doesnt feel that way, cuz u wanna know somethin? in a perfect world EVERYONE would be an AFRICAN AMERICAN, cuz life started in africa. but the world aint perfect and the world has been split up into diff. cultures and ethinicities for whatever reason, so african american, to some people isnt as acurate as blk. to some people that means just that an AFRICAN AMERICAN, one whose whole heritage is african or whatever.

blk is more accurate (to some)cuz it covers MANY dif. ethinicites and cultures, just like white does.like for instance if u saw a girl walkin down the street with brown skin that didnt look latin or indian, u would call them blk until u found out their heritage right? u probly wouldnt say look at that fine african american girl, u would say look at that fine blk girl. the same with white people, the term white covers many cultures and ethnicites (irish, euro, russian, etc..)
if u wanna be african american, fine more power to ya. but everyone doesnt feel that way.

(and yet again another music thread has turned into a race debate, so im gone. mods yall should seriously consider renaming this prince and race relations.org

Black is Black is Black is Black...

Rhondab said:

respectfully disagree...i like african american because it explains i decend from africa but am an american..my sis-n-law is black also..but she consideres herself panamaniam-mexican american....

one final note on the race part..before i actually answer the question of this thread...

i think it all comes down to respecting whatever each of us want to be called..if charlize theron wants to be called african-american then more props to her..if you want to be called black more power to you...but in the process of you taking ownership of who you are, dont belittle my choice.....


i dont like this, "well.....you aint from blah blah there for you cant call yourself blah blah" bullshit...

we need to empower each other....

so go on with your blackself....your african-americanself.....your brownself.....your whiteself.....

sosgemini said:

Yessuh!

I'm not sure if I have a "right" to post on this since this was addressed to "brothers and sisters" and I'm about as caucasian as it gets, but my on the issue of white and black music is this:

For the longest time I would say that may taste in music was very "black" since I considered the styles of music I liked to be "black" because they were dominated and developed largely by african americans: jazz, soul, hip hop etc. I didn't delve much into the exemplars of "white" music (Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin etc..) until recent years. But since I have I would no longer say my taste is quite so decidedly "black" even if still more than half of my favorite musicians are black. Additionally, if one digs deep enough, one realizes that so-called "white" or rather European musical traditions, and indeed many individual white musicians, had important roles in developing jazz, blues, R&b and rock. On a most basic level, there'd be no jazz without the piano, bass and horns which originated in Europe (the piano in Italy specifically if I'm not mistaken) and there'd be hardly any blues or rock without the guitar, which was invented in spain. Of course, it also should've been obvious to me that it's a form of prejudice and narrow-mindedness to think that the type of music a person can play is dictated by their race, even if certain styles and genres are "dominated" by people of one race or another. But I also think it's silly because on a more technical level, music varies as much by culture as it does by race, and it would be more appropriate to classify music by ethnicity or culture than by race. However, in american popular music, it's difficult to determine which specific ethnic/cultural groups different genres "belong" to and I think it's best just to classify music purely by genre. Hell, even doing that is hard enough given how much hybridization and mixing of genres there's been, so why make things any harder . As Funkadelic said (and I interprett this song as being as much about white musicians afraid to funk it up as it is about black musicians afraid to rock out) "who says a jazz band can't play dance music, who says a rock band can't play funk and who says a funk can't play rock"

Please forgive my pompous bloated mess

music is music. who cares whos singing if you like it, the color of the skin doesn't matter.

I apologize if I offended people with this tread, it wasn't my intention to turn this into a race debate.

For those who said interesting things, thank you!

Jacktheimprovident, nice post also.
Did you know that the saxophone was invented by Adolph Sax, a Belgian (as I am), so in a way, Belgium sure had its share in the creation of jazz (Coltrane, Parker, Rollins.. you owe us!)

smellmyfunk said:

she still has white in her

sosgemini said:

notice...I said to describe race...not nationality. Difference.

TheCrucialExperience said:

I guess the label "Latino" would be the lesser of two evils...but I would rather be referred to a "Boriqua" even more so the Puerto Rican.

lilgish said:

RAAAAACE!!!!!
















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[Edited 9/18/05 9:58am]

ThreadBare said:

It's so funny, because I used to have a Black barber named Charlie who looked EXACTLY like this ! The very first time I saw Bob Barr, I said to myself "This guy has some Black in him ". My family is originally from Jamaica, where a lot of people are fair-skinned (like Colin Powell, for example), so I've seen many so-called "Black" people who look like this .

As for the topic, my favorite artists who happen to be White are :

Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones, Beatles, Bob Dylan, The Band, Pearl Jam, The Who, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Buddy Holly, Jerry Lee Lewis, Creedence Clearwater, J geils band, Bruce Springsteen, john Mellancamp, Neil Young, Rod Stewart, Police, The Clash, Talking Heads, Patsy Cline, White Stripes, Hank Williams, Johnny Cash, Madonna, Barbra Streisand, Frank Sinatra , Tony Bennett, Gene Vincent, Eddie Cochran, The Beach Boys, and ....ELVIS AARON PRESLEY

Siouxsie And The Banshees are my favorite artists second only to Prince.

Being Black and into the goth scene can be awkward sometimes. It's always in the back of my mind going to a goth club that it's possible I may be the only brotha there. Fortunately, I live in New York City which is very racially diverse, even in the goth scene.

Artist I can't stand more than any other: The Grateful Dead.

lilgish said:

Maaaaaybe if I looked @ him long enough I might think he had Black in him but I would never guess this dude was Black right off the bat...

Rhondab said:

Black doesn't describe race, negroid does. So the most accurate would be Negro just like caucasian comes from caucasoid. Asians don't call themselves yellow, Native Americans don't call themselves red, people from the middle east don't don't call themselves maze or whatever color that would classify them



If anything I am an American African -- and American of African descent. American first, african second. I would say the same for my people in other countries, their country first, descent second

jjhunsecker said:

Well, he has a jewish last name and he could easily be a jew as well. Moses was a jew who could pass as an Egyptian prince and back then, the Egyptians were nubian or "black"

sosgemini said:

And see, THAT I can dig. Speak on ALL of your ethnicities that you wish to represent, nothing wrong with that at all.

kpowers said:

Only when her boyfriend spends the night.

boriquateddy said:

Ok, cool. Thanks for the heads up. Are you well-versed on the whole Boriqua issue? If so, would Cubans fall under that term as well? ould you tell me all who falls under the umbrella of Boriqua or is it just Ricans?

Janfriend said:

yeah..but i still say that when it comes to race and/or nationality, let each individual claim what they want.....

heck, if someone wants and feels they are martian....let that martian reign!!!

sosgemini said:

oky doky

Janfriend said:

I agree (and have exactly stated as well) everything you say except for the COUNTRY first THEN DESCENT...Actually, you know your descent well before you know your country, so it's descent first and then country.