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Printablelilgish said: Every time I hear that King and Queen shit I say. 
Being a descendant from a monarchy doesn’t make me feel anything but ill. The truth is I’m more likely the descendants of those who were [b]servants of Kings and Queens. Wow. I feel sorry for you then. Why don't you take the time to trace your lineage and maybe you'd feel differently. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: lilgish said: Not African Americans and White American Music. Trust me, Race supercedes nationality... you didn't see eraserhead be specific about the nationality of the white artist, did you? He didn't say african americans and 'Irish' music, african americans and 'Latvian' music. Think about it. [Edited 9/17/05 13:48pm] If Whites wanna be referred to as White, that's their prerogative, I'm not here to argue their side. If the Govt didn't make up the term "Black" then who did? The Govt made up Negro and Colored. Would you like to be called either of those? And who are you to tell someone that they don't know their heritage or not or how they should celebrate their heritage? That's not up to you. Ok, so by your account, since Race supercedes Nationality, then you should elect to be called Negroid, right? I'm sorry, but since there is no land base connection to the term "Black" I can't be referred to as a color. My ancestors didn't come from a crayon box, they came from a proud continent where human life itself began. The United States Government was founded in 1776.. Europeans have been calling us Negro/Black for much longer than that. This country adopted what was the popular term for Africans. The “color” Black is also used by other cultures and languages when referring to Africans. You said African-American; It gives me heritage. That aside. Does being Black not give you heritage? have we not contributed to this culture?. Is this forum not a reflection of that contribution? The song doesn’t go: Say it Loud I’m African-American and proud. I don’t believe race should supercede nationality, race is a made up construct just like borders, but Race is more important to this culture than nationality and that’s reflected in eraserheads generic use of the word white. | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: lilgish said: Every time I hear that King and Queen shit I say.
Being a descendant from a monarchy doesn’t make me feel anything but ill. The truth is I’m more likely the descendants of those who were [b]servants of Kings and Queens. Wow. I feel sorry for you then. Why don't you take the time to trace your lineage and maybe you'd feel differently. I'd be more proud to come from servants than from an African monarchy who could have possibly been cohorts in the slave trade. | |
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back on the muthafuckin topic before this shit ends up being locked or what-not...to me, it honestly don't matter the skin color of whoever does the music. if it sounds good to me, i dig it.
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: back on the muthafuckin topic before this shit ends up being locked or what-not...to me, it honestly don't matter the skin color of whoever does the music. if it sounds good to me, i dig it.
Eraserhead said: I think it's that I learn a lot from those artist and their songs about how America has treated, is treating the african americans. I'm kinda interested in the culture.
Not to disagree with a mod or a former mod, but isn't this part of it.....I mean...If he's interested in the culture. In reality there is no such thing a white or black music especially as it relates to modern music of the last century. Music is still being assigned as Black and White though. 20 some years ago Black awards and charts still existed. There's also the the negative reactions Black people recieve from each other for liking 'white' music. | |
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lilgish said: There's also the the negative reactions Black people recieve from each other for liking 'white' music.
i've received those kinda reactions before, but you know what? i really couldn't give a shit. people shouldn't pigeonhole others, or allow themselves to be pigeonholed.  | |
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lilgish said: TheCrucialExperience said: If Whites wanna be referred to as White, that's their prerogative, I'm not here to argue their side. If the Govt didn't make up the term "Black" then who did? The Govt made up Negro and Colored. Would you like to be called either of those? And who are you to tell someone that they don't know their heritage or not or how they should celebrate their heritage? That's not up to you. Ok, so by your account, since Race supercedes Nationality, then you should elect to be called Negroid, right? I'm sorry, but since there is no land base connection to the term "Black" I can't be referred to as a color. My ancestors didn't come from a crayon box, they came from a proud continent where human life itself began. The United States Government was founded in 1776.. Europeans have been calling us Negro/Black for much longer than that. This country adopted what was the popular term for Africans. The “color” Black is also used by other cultures and languages when referring to Africans. You said African-American; It gives me heritage. That aside. Does being Black not give you heritage? have we not contributed to this culture?. Is this forum not a reflection of that contribution? The song doesn’t go: Say it Loud I’m African-American and proud. I don’t believe race should supercede nationality, race is a made up construct just like borders, but Race is more important to this culture than nationality and that’s reflected in eraserheads generic use of the word white. So who decided to change it from Black to Colored? The Europeans? Nope. Also, since there are some dark Indians from India, shouldn't we refer to them as Black? How about the Aborigines of Australia, they're as dark as most Blacks, and some darker, should THEY be referred to as Black? How about the light complected Blacks that can pass for White, are they STILL Black? Why not call them White? As far as us contributing to this culture (I guess you're speaking of American culture), that was never my point of discussion. We as African-American have contributed to the world. There is no land base called Black and that's my issue. My ancestors are from Africa, therefore THAT is my land base and where my heritage/culture started from. I am an African that was born in America: African-American. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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lilgish said: TheCrucialExperience said: Wow. I feel sorry for you then. Why don't you take the time to trace your lineage and maybe you'd feel differently. I'd be more proud to come from servants than from an African monarchy who could have possibly been cohorts in the slave trade. How can you make that assumption when you have yet to trace your roots? See my point? "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: back on the muthafuckin topic before this shit ends up being locked or what-not...
Why are the race threads always in jeopardy of being locked? "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: lilgish said: I'd be more proud to come from servants than from an African monarchy who could have possibly been cohorts in the slave trade. How can you make that assumption when you have yet to trace your roots? See my point? I've never made any assumptions, it's just the proability of being a servant is higher. I've made peace with my ancestors and do African ancetral work. But I don't call myself African, sorry. [Edited 9/17/05 15:54pm] | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: back on the muthafuckin topic before this shit ends up being locked or what-not...
Why are the race threads always in jeopardy of being locked? simple: because nobody 'round here can seem to talk about it without someone getting bent outta shape and taking things totally outta joint. you're still pretty new here...stick around a while and you'll see what i mean. | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: How about the light complected Blacks that can pass for White, are they STILL Black? Why not call them White? If TA brings up the "one drop theory" this thread will definitely be closed. 
There is no land base called Black and that's my issue. My ancestors are from Africa, therefore THAT is my land base and where my heritage/culture started from. I am an African that was born in America: African-American.
How we define ourselves is an issue for P&R I guess, but eraserhead should know the majority of African Americans call themselves Black. I think we can both agree on that. [Edited 9/17/05 16:00pm] | |
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lilgish said: TheCrucialExperience said: How can you make that assumption when you have yet to trace your roots? See my point? I've never made any assumptions, it's just the proability of being a servant is higher. I've made peace with my ancestors and do African ancetral work. But I don't call myself African, sorry. [Edited 9/17/05 15:54pm] Ok. Maybe one day you'll revisit this topic and maybe change your tune. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: TheCrucialExperience said: Why are the race threads always in jeopardy of being locked? simple: because nobody 'round here can seem to talk about it without someone getting bent outta shape and taking things totally outta joint. you're still pretty new here...stick around a while and you'll see what i mean. Oh ok. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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lilgish said: TheCrucialExperience said: How about the light complected Blacks that can pass for White, are they STILL Black? Why not call them White? If TA brings up the "one drop theory" this thread will definitely be closed.
There is no land base called Black and that's my issue. My ancestors are from Africa, therefore THAT is my land base and where my heritage/culture started from. I am an African that was born in America: African-American.
How we define ourselves is an issue for P&R I guess, but eraserhead should know the majority of African Americans call themselves Black. I think we can both agree on that. [Edited 9/17/05 16:00pm] I don't know about that. Maybe a poll should be taken on that issue. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: lilgish said: How we define ourselves is an issue for P&R I guess, but eraserhead should know the majority of African Americans call themselves Black. I think we can both agree on that. [Edited 9/17/05 16:00pm] I don't know about that. Maybe a poll should be taken on that issue. actually there has been a back lash on the term...and you missed the point about Charlize completely..... 
sorry Dansa 
regarding the post... I listen to music that I like...and the race really doesn't matter..... In my family, ppl listen to everything from country to opra....music is music.... | |
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smellmyfunk said: Kim69 said: wow shouldn't that question be irrelivent.....well since you asked i like the group Tool, David Bowie, NIN, Norah Jones, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, The Doors, man this question needs to be answered when i have had more sleep..... i thought Norah Jones was half indian.  You're correct. Her father is Indian. | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: lilgish said: The United States Government was founded in 1776.. Europeans have been calling us Negro/Black for much longer than that. This country adopted what was the popular term for Africans. The “color” Black is also used by other cultures and languages when referring to Africans. You said African-American; It gives me heritage. That aside. Does being Black not give you heritage? have we not contributed to this culture?. Is this forum not a reflection of that contribution? The song doesn’t go: Say it Loud I’m African-American and proud. I don’t believe race should supercede nationality, race is a made up construct just like borders, but Race is more important to this culture than nationality and that’s reflected in eraserheads generic use of the word white. So who decided to change it from Black to Colored? The Europeans? Nope. Also, since there are some dark Indians from India, shouldn't we refer to them as Black? How about the Aborigines of Australia, they're as dark as most Blacks, and some darker, should THEY be referred to as Black? How about the light complected Blacks that can pass for White, are they STILL Black? Why not call them White? As far as us contributing to this culture (I guess you're speaking of American culture), that was never my point of discussion. We as African-American have contributed to the world. There is no land base called Black and that's my issue. My ancestors are from Africa, therefore THAT is my land base and where my heritage/culture started from. I am an African that was born in America: African-American. My ancestors are from Africa, but I'm not. I honestly don't see the point in embracing a contanant that DOES NOT embrace me back. The term black refers to the race of people not a skin tone. Our ancestors in Africa refered to themselves as black. Yes there are other groups, such as Indians, where their skin tone can be as dark as Wesley Snipes, but of coarse thet are not black. Celia Cruz, Sammy Sosa, Pedro Martinez are Black but they are of Hispanic decent. Of coarse I am very proud that my roots are in Africa, but at the same time if you really look at, everybody here is a African-American 'cause thats where mankind began. So just call me Black. | |
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lilgish said: If TA brings up the "one drop theory" this thread will definitely be closed.
 You caught that?
Nice. 
 Was that a dare? 
tA  Tribal Disorder
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theAudience said: lilgish said: If TA brings up the "one drop theory" this thread will definitely be closed.
You caught that?
Nice.
Was that a dare?
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Okaaaay, back on topic
It's a good question Eraserhead. I think there's nothing wrong with music being more or less viewed as originating from within a specific race or culture because I think it's great that we all bring something to the table from within our own heritage. Culture specific art is a great way to learn about other people, i.e. your listening to Marvin Gaye and others who sing about the black experience. Anyhoo, here's my list white music that I love; Elton John The Beatles Journey The Eagles America Foreigner Billy Joel Teena Marie George Michael Cheryl Crow Just to name a few. I listen to everything from Bach to Ravi Shankar, so I find that most people, black and white look at me like
As for white artist I find really yukky; Alice Cooper NIN Korn Marilyn Manson Megadeth Pat Boone (I hate him) Wayne Newton Britney Spears (and all of her clones) You can kinda see the way my tastes runs. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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MadameS said: theAudience said: Brotha TA, we don't want to get too deep on them do we or don't we. Well, I ready to ride when you are b/c the truth is the light. Hey, are you two referring to the long-regarded principle in slave-days America that held that anyone with "one drop" of black blood in them was black? That was the rule. America was hard up for labor... You know how many "one drop" people there are running around? Let's start with this guy, who apparently flies off the handle whenever someone suggests that he is part-black: 
Former U.S. Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga. Bless that brother's heart. | |
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babynoz said: As for white artist I find really yukky; Megadeth  so why do you find megadeth yukky? | |
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ThreadBare said:
He looks Black. | |
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ThreadBare said: MadameS said: Brotha TA, we don't want to get too deep on them do we or don't we. Well, I ready to ride when you are b/c the truth is the light. Hey, are you two referring to the long-regarded principle in slave-days America that held that anyone with "one drop" of black blood in them was black? That's exactly what MadameS, lilgish and myself were referring to. tA Tribal Disorder
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lilgish said: ThreadBare said:
He looks Black. Indeed. | |
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MadameS said: lilgish said: He looks Black. Indeed. Don't matter what he looks like... 
...It's all about that drop. tA Tribal Disorder
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Layzie said: TheCrucialExperience said: So who decided to change it from Black to Colored? The Europeans? Nope. Also, since there are some dark Indians from India, shouldn't we refer to them as Black? How about the Aborigines of Australia, they're as dark as most Blacks, and some darker, should THEY be referred to as Black? How about the light complected Blacks that can pass for White, are they STILL Black? Why not call them White? As far as us contributing to this culture (I guess you're speaking of American culture), that was never my point of discussion. We as African-American have contributed to the world. There is no land base called Black and that's my issue. My ancestors are from Africa, therefore THAT is my land base and where my heritage/culture started from. I am an African that was born in America: African-American. My ancestors are from Africa, but I'm not. I honestly don't see the point in embracing a contanant that DOES NOT embrace me back. The term black refers to the race of people not a skin tone. Our ancestors in Africa refered to themselves as black. Yes there are other groups, such as Indians, where their skin tone can be as dark as Wesley Snipes, but of coarse thet are not black. Celia Cruz, Sammy Sosa, Pedro Martinez are Black but they are of Hispanic decent. Of coarse I am very proud that my roots are in Africa, but at the same time if you really look at, everybody here is a African-American 'cause thats where mankind began. So just call me Black. That bold print is as wrong as wrong can be. Why else would they call a race BLACK if it didn't REFER DIRECTLY TO THEIR SKIN TONE? So why do they call Whites white? Because of their teeth? And how do you know ALL of Africa doesn't embrace you? Have you been to EVERY country in Africa and they rejected you? Celia, Sosa and those others you mentioned are of AFRICAN DESCENT born into Latino culture/heritage. And please don't call them Hispanic, it's yet another term the Govt came up with to group Spanish-speaking people. The correct term is Latino. Your second to last sentence is the best part of your post. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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theAudience said: MadameS said: Indeed. Don't matter what he looks like...
...It's all about that drop. tA Tribal Disorder
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TheCrucialExperience said: Layzie said: My ancestors are from Africa, but I'm not. I honestly don't see the point in embracing a contanant that DOES NOT embrace me back. The term black refers to the race of people not a skin tone. Our ancestors in Africa refered to themselves as black. Yes there are other groups, such as Indians, where their skin tone can be as dark as Wesley Snipes, but of coarse thet are not black. Celia Cruz, Sammy Sosa, Pedro Martinez are Black but they are of Hispanic decent. Of coarse I am very proud that my roots are in Africa, but at the same time if you really look at, everybody here is a African-American 'cause thats where mankind began. So just call me Black. That bold print is as wrong as wrong can be. Why else would they call a race BLACK if it didn't REFER DIRECTLY TO THEIR SKIN TONE? So why do they call Whites white? Because of their teeth? And how do you know ALL of Africa doesn't embrace you? Have you been to EVERY country in Africa and they rejected you? Celia, Sosa and those others you mentioned are of AFRICAN DESCENT born into Latino culture/heritage. And please don't call them Hispanic, it's yet another term the Govt came up with to group Spanish-speaking people. The correct term is Latino. Your second to last sentence is the best part of your post. Crucial...this really needs to be discussed over in P&R...but as far as the term "hispanic"....just like "african-american", it depends on the person....some like it and some don't. Now stay on point....do you like "white" music.... I really should be a mod..damn it.  | |
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