Sorry I didn't quite fit my reply in there the way it should be.

Ellie said:

so what. james is in his 70's now and still doin the damn thing. george is in his (50s? 60s?) now and still doin the damn thing. mike needs to GET HIS MIND RIGHT and RAISE DEM YOUNGINS first and formost, then comeback, and year and he'll STILL be cravin that spotlight, thriller madness shit probly. he's needs to get his prioritys str8, and once he does he'll see that the spotlight aint number one

Well I'll just say that your advice isn't what's planned, so it doesn't matter.

As someone else once said, when you shave your nose down to practically nothing (as we saw at the 30th Anniversary show), it's time to re-think your life a bit.

oh gosh, let's not hope Kanye has mike singing over a track with samples of a Beetles song with Jay-Z on the remix....that would be a disaster

who knows, Kanye might pull out something decent for ole mike, just as long as he sticks to what fits michael and not have him singing over something that sounds like an overproduced washing machine like that disaster "invincible"...

I have all of his albums except for "Invincible" and yes they all sound different. I enjoyed each one of them that I have. I gave him major props in 1995 when he did "History". Even though he had some rappers on that album, he still was doing uptempo funk at a time when everyone else had sold out to midtempo hip hop.

I did not buy "Invincible" because the first single was an indicator to me that he had finally sold out to hip hop after all these years. After hearing from some of the people that have the album, I see I was right not to buy it because everyone says it is mostly slow songs and midtempo hip hop sounding songs. It's bad enough that hip hop has completely taken over today's R&B and it is even worse to see an old schooler sell out to it and further help it to grow.

Michael is a complete joke to most of today's teenagers (the ones who are making all these current acts big stars) and if his old school fans don't buy his hip hop attempts and they don't sell, maybe he won't do that shit again. I'd rather see him retire with a lot of good stuff under his belt than to sell out to a bunch of tired bullshit like hip hop just to be able to say that he made a record.
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Michael needs to either call Mr. Jam and Mr. Lewis
or take a risk and produce it himself.

I think if he worked with Q again..people would compare it to "Thriller" or "Bad" which (Lets be honest..unless he pulls a Santana the sales won't be as big as either of those albums.)

I think while his music with Riley is always something I'm up for hearing - I thought the song "2000 Watts" on "Invincible was just utter crap with some cool sounding effects (for the first minute) towards the end it got lame. Unless him and Riley can produce songs like they made for "Dangerous" - they need to part ways and be proud for what they made together (except 2000 Watts -ick!)

Speaking of the "Dangerous" album..I think Michael would be better off pulling out some of the stuff from the vault form the Dangerous era and just maybe have some modern DJ like Paul Oakenfold or someone make it sound "a bit" (not A LOT - JUST A BIT more up to date - if it needs it. A lot of Dangerous was timeless if you ask me.) At least then people might be able to hear Michael's voice and songwriting skills when they were a lot more creative. Where as now Michael is kind of too far gone if you ask me. He peeked with HIStory (Disc 2), the new tracks on Blood On The Dance Floor was alright, but "Invincible" was a big pile of.... with 3-5 average/okay songs.

I really urge everyone to check out "The Ultimate Collection." Not only can hear most of Michael's biggest hits..you can hear some unreleased tracks from all of his "era's" of music. Now this isn't a commercial for it but..the track "Monkey Business" is VERY awesome. It is better than almost every song on "Invincible." If Michael made a vaulted album..it would be SO awesome!

Oh yeah and I want to say..I have a lot more fun discussing Michael's music with you all then on a forum about (him) because a lot of his fans are drones who just want to talk about how hot he is, or how great he is. It gets old. He is my favorite singer also but I get sick of people going, "He is so great." You can only take so much of it. And sorry..Michael IS not Justin Timberlake or Usher - the people who say "He is so hot" I'm thinking..the man is almost 50. Come on now!!! Sorry to rant..but yeah I stick with what I said a ton of posts ago..this stuff with Kayne if ever released will probably suck - like someone else (very smartly so) pointed out above - knowing Michael he won't release it till 2008 or 2009 - and by then the stuff he recorded back in 2005 or 2006 will sound MEGA dated. I don't know if even Q could save the project if Kayne West gets on board..and that IS SCARY!

jasonstar said:

i definately agree with ur idea about mike producin the whole thing solo. after mj gets his life str8 it would be nice to see what he could do and come up with on his own, i actually think it would be ALOT better than anything anyone else could produce for him. he really is a good songwriter (imo) and with the right musicians, i think it could be a great album, and also as long as he doesnt make beating thriller the main focus

I say stay away from Jam & Lewis at all costs. Talk about over-production.

dag said:

Oh god, you're in such denial. MICHAEL IS FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD AND HE NEEDS TO WORK OUT HIS ISSUES!!! Damnit. I can't believe some people refuse to see this. Michael is not right and he needs help IMMEDIATELY. Get over it ppl. Our beloved entertainer is not the sane yet eccentric, "misunderstood" guy he wants us to think he is. HE'S FUCKED UP!

Ellie said:

oh hell no. scream? 2 bad? tabloid junkie? OVERPRODUCED? those are the JAMS!!!!!
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Militant said:

2 Bad is the only really great one of those IMO. On Scream the vocals are terrible (one of the worst from both MJ and Janet) and Tabloid Junkie drowns his voice out at the end - same goes for Is It Scary. They really could have been amazing tracks but J&L's production ruins them.

Ellie said:

Wow. IMO those are 3 of the best trax on the album.

He can be your favorite singer but also be kind of fucked up.
People aren't perfect...
If you want to pretend Michael has it all together..go ahead but if
you look at his life you will realize he does have his own issues (even if he NEVER molested a single child - he still has some issues) Personally, I believe Michael suffers from depression and he is in denial, either that or he is gay
and can't come to terms with it. I mean because George Michael once said something VERY telling in an interview. He said something to the effect of, "When I was famous and the public didn't know I was gay, I would just stay inside and stay alone because I didn't want to be 'found out.' Also, the press had this weird relationship with me where they wanted to call me weird and strange but the minute I would go out to dinner with a female friend, they would strike her picture with me and say we were together. They must have known I was gay but didn't want to let the cat out of the bag." That IS NOT a direct quote but it is something to the effect of what he said. Now if you apply this logic to Michael's uhhh lifestyle comebined with the fact that he is a privacy nut and that he is obsessed (not in a perverted way) with kids..I think we have it figured it out. But maybe not? I've grown cynical as of late so sorry if it sounds rude. I still think Michael is the greatest but I just think the guy has his issues. But hey! Nobody is perfect...
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Lets hope if he does record with Kanye the songs are swiftly released.

MJ's recurring mistake in working with 'popular' producers is that by the time he releases them they sound out of date.

I think Kanye is a more credible producer with the right influences, but I still think MJ should just release a simple, organic, back-to-basics soul album.

The 'live band' sound never dates, producers and beatmakers do. They have a sell-by date.

hey... it doesn't have "never can say goodbye"

Alasseon said:[quote]

SEXYMOFO said:

Michael does Gold Digger pt. 2:

'I know she ain't a gold digga,

cause now she's messin with no broke nigga.


She took my money to the doctor see,

she wasn't diggin, she just wanna look like ME.

Git Down girl, go ahed git down.'