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Reply #30 posted 09/07/05 10:53am

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krayzie said:

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several years ago,Mike recorded some tracks with Irv Gotti (Murder Inc),when that sound was "hot".And now he's working with another "hot" hip-hop artist.That's how he works.He seeks out production assistance from whomever is "hot" at the time.This is not artistic inspiration...it's more like career desperation.I suspect that MJ is not even into this type of music anyway.He's just interested in selling alot of records.

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Reply #31 posted 09/07/05 11:00am

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Ellie said:

The Jesse Jackson interview this year was great, but there he was just discussing the past. It was during the trial so he could hardly talk about plans for the future like they were definite, but he did talk about stuff I've never heard him say before.

like what?

Like talking about his actual inspirations and how he learned and became a songwriter, instead of that shit "it comes from God" rubbish. His thoughts of Africa and how Somalia was ignored in the Tsunami appeals, how African countries are portrayed in the media (i.e. not all just death and disease). It was a long ass interview though, loads of stuff was talked about.
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Reply #32 posted 09/07/05 11:05am

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vainandy said:

Apparently Michael hasn't learned anything from this trial. It's time to become an adult Michael. Leave the rap, hip hop, and other kiddie shit to the kids and do some adult funk.

Speak the truth Vainandy.
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Reply #33 posted 09/07/05 11:13am

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I haven't felt that MJ's been musically inspired for awhile. Sometimes I think he just goes through the motions which is not hard when you've lived the majority of your life in the public. In his last few interviews I never feel like I learn much new from him. The answers are safe and automatic. Is MJ into any underground or obscure artists/producers?

I have to disagree cause he's been inspired. He's inspired by the music of today and that music is garbage and as a result, that's what Michael's been making: Hot Garbage. Michael needs to jump out of that garbage can and get washed up in some hot funk or some sizzling soul. Then and only then will MJ be the force he so desperately wants to be in music today. Unfortunately something tells me that he down with the foul stench and he probably won't leave the can for a while, if at all. Time will tell.
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Reply #34 posted 09/07/05 11:18am

buttcheeks

Why Does Mike Jackson need a Producer?????

Oh, thats right...

He Can't Do It By Himself.

If only he could, he might be as good as ... say...






Prince~ lol
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Reply #35 posted 09/07/05 12:35pm

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Why Does Mike Jackson need a Producer?????

Oh, thats right...

He Can't Do It By Himself.

If only he could, he might be as good as ... say...






Prince~ lol


Take a look at the back of the Dangerous album you will something

EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: MICHAEL JACKSON
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Reply #36 posted 09/07/05 1:13pm

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vainandy said:

Apparently Michael hasn't learned anything from this trial. It's time to become an adult Michael. Leave the rap, hip hop, and other kiddie shit to the kids and do some adult funk.



OKAY ?!?!?
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Reply #37 posted 09/07/05 1:25pm

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several years ago,Mike recorded some tracks with Irv Gotti (Murder Inc),when that sound was "hot".And now he's working with another "hot" hip-hop artist.That's how he works.He seeks out production assistance from whomever is "hot" at the time.This is not artistic inspiration...it's more like career desperation.I suspect that MJ is not even into this type of music anyway.He's just interested in selling alot of records.


You figured out Michael's plan..However keep in mind his plan won't with just any "recording artist of yesterday." Lionel Richie tried it a few years back and it flopped. Michael has a knack of writing good music and working with the right people. So what "Invincible" wasn't the best thing on the market..? It had some good tunes (and some equally shitty ones) However..What other artist has had hits in the 70's,80's,90's and 2001's..plus be in the rock and roll hall of fame twice? Michael is the one and only so give him some flack. You can't make an omlette without breaking some eggs as the saying goes. I bet Michael's next "new" album (not rehash of hits) will be interesting to say the least. I can't wait to hear it! Here is to hoping it is as good as HIStory (Disc 2) was.
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Reply #38 posted 09/07/05 1:26pm

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uh huh. here's the problem. they'll start working on an album in, say, 2006. it'll take 2 years to complete, and by the time it comes out, Kanye will have been old news and the sound will be dated. just like the Rodney Jerkins stuff on Invincible. and the Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis stuff on History. and about half of his work with Teddy Reilly.
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Reply #39 posted 09/07/05 1:36pm

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Ah, but I know something you don't know!
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Reply #40 posted 09/07/05 2:02pm

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Ellie said:

Ah, but I know something you don't know!




well aren't you cool. either say it or don't. no one's impressed by people that say they have info but never give up the goods.
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Reply #41 posted 09/07/05 2:22pm

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buttcheeks said:

Why Does Mike Jackson need a Producer?????

Oh, thats right...

He Can't Do It By Himself.

If only he could, he might be as good as ... say...






Prince~ lol


Oh so every fuckin' musician in the world has to do everything himself do they? Maybe if Prince worked with other people he might make music that other people actually like cos just like it was said by Morris Day 'he's playin shit that no one else wants to hear'. For the past four years Prince has just making the same music that James Brown did back in the 60s and 70s.

Prince's best album (to me anyway) and his most commercially successful was Purple Rain, an album in which he worked with other people (The Revolution). Something he should consider doing again.
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Reply #42 posted 09/07/05 2:23pm

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C'mon Mike! U can do it!
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Reply #43 posted 09/07/05 2:24pm

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I know, but I've promised not to breath a word because I'm not supposed to know razz

Let's just say that MJ is always making music, most of which never sees the light of day. He's always wasting money on producing rubbish that gets shelved. If he's called Kanye West then fine, but it's not for the next project, unless he's suddenly changed his mind.

Anyway, can't you just imagine Michael Jackson casually ending all conversations on the phone with other artists as "Yeah, we should make some tracks together, see ya!". I can.
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Reply #44 posted 09/07/05 2:32pm

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I wish he would call Chad and Pharrell for a couple of trax too and self-produce the rest. shrug
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Reply #45 posted 09/07/05 2:36pm

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dreamfactory313 said:

I wish he would call Chad and Pharrell for a couple of trax too and self-produce the rest. shrug



NO. MJ had good reason not to chose them the first time round. I think pharrel and teddy riley have beef too. Maybe MJ was being loyal to teddy by not choosing to work with the neptunes for "invincible"?

I for one, glad he chose rodney instead. Rodney understands Mike like Teddy did/does. Plus, listen to "we've had enough". Rodney helped on that. I cant see pharrel producing a song like that.

Anyway. Get rodney again. I like "you rock my world". But the video mad
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Reply #46 posted 09/07/05 2:36pm

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Oh goodie, now we can probably look forward to more pretentiously overblown videos and a ridiculously huge budget in desperate attempt #6 to match Thriller's success. neutral
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Reply #47 posted 09/07/05 2:38pm

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PurpleKnight said:

Oh goodie, now we can probably look forward to more pretentiously overblown videos and a ridiculously huge budget in desperate attempt #6 to match Thriller's success. neutral

You're overestimating the crappy Gulf based label.
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Reply #48 posted 09/07/05 2:39pm

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PurpleKnight said:

Oh goodie, now we can probably look forward to more pretentiously overblown videos and a ridiculously huge budget in desperate attempt #6 to match Thriller's success. neutral




Hmmmm. Considering mike is the only one who does this,it ain't too bad. Besides, nothing was more hype fucked then "phantom menace" smile (ok sorry)

Also, mike wont do that again. Without a major budget from a label for promotion, mike cant do that shit anymore (i hope)
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Reply #49 posted 09/07/05 2:40pm

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doh! Oh no. I haven't heard a note of it yet, but I can already tell that the results are going to suck. Mike should go into a totally new musial direction.
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Reply #50 posted 09/07/05 2:52pm

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doh! Oh no. I haven't heard a note of it yet, but I can already tell that the results are going to suck. Mike should go into a totally new musial direction.


The fact is..the new song will come out and nobody will care and Michael will be deemed more of a flop. These Bahrain people took him in and helped heal him, to get him to record a song for them. Within a week of being there, they started saying that crap. I remember reading it and going... eek

I'm a huge Michael fan but if the guy had any business brains at all..he would come back to USA.....do a live performance at the BET awards this November, but before he performs again I for one think he is long overdue seeing a doctor about his issues with his childhood. After seeing the doctor A LOT, and performing at the BET awards, break his silence with an interview on TV (But after seeing a doctor he won't look so out of it like he did on Bashir.) Settle his beef with the concert promoter, after that open up shop in Los Vegas. He'd attract way bigger numbers than Celine - he has the talent factor plus and added interest level of "curiousity." After staying in Vegas, pulling in enough money (and interest back on his music and performing - not child abuse trials) he could probably get one hell of a major label deal..release some 10 minute videos and possibly a world tour.

However, I can tell my plan won't work seeing as he is probably going to drop a charity song with some unknown overseas label. Oh brother!!!
Sadly, I can tell this is not the direction Michael should be going and I am not a PR guy.

I wish I was Michael's PR guy.
Things would be so much better for him....and his fans.
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Reply #51 posted 09/07/05 7:09pm

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DavidEye said:

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Honestly, I wish Michael would just take some time off and get his personal shit together. Forget about the career for once. Work on issues.



This is exactly how I feel.Forget about a new album or a tour.He needs to get some therapy and get himself together first.That should be a priority.


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Reply #52 posted 09/07/05 7:26pm

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jasonstar said:

NWF said:

doh! Oh no. I haven't heard a note of it yet, but I can already tell that the results are going to suck. Mike should go into a totally new musial direction.


The fact is..the new song will come out and nobody will care and Michael will be deemed more of a flop. These Bahrain people took him in and helped heal him, to get him to record a song for them. Within a week of being there, they started saying that crap. I remember reading it and going... eek

I'm a huge Michael fan but if the guy had any business brains at all..he would come back to USA.....do a live performance at the BET awards this November, but before he performs again I for one think he is long overdue seeing a doctor about his issues with his childhood. After seeing the doctor A LOT, and performing at the BET awards, break his silence with an interview on TV (But after seeing a doctor he won't look so out of it like he did on Bashir.) Settle his beef with the concert promoter, after that open up shop in Los Vegas. He'd attract way bigger numbers than Celine - he has the talent factor plus and added interest level of "curiousity." After staying in Vegas, pulling in enough money (and interest back on his music and performing - not child abuse trials) he could probably get one hell of a major label deal..release some 10 minute videos and possibly a world tour.

However, I can tell my plan won't work seeing as he is probably going to drop a charity song with some unknown overseas label. Oh brother!!!
Sadly, I can tell this is not the direction Michael should be going and I am not a PR guy.

I wish I was Michael's PR guy.
Things would be so much better for him....and his fans.


y'kno i'm feeling ur ideas (except 4 the bet awards thing - it screams desperate) but i honestly think he should take a LONG ASS break from the biz. the man has kids now for one. he needs to go to a doctor, get his mind right and raise his kids. and maybe after 7 or 8 years he can make a "comeback", and if he wanted he could make a website and release songs and vids to the fans via that if he wanted, but i think coming back to the spotlight any time soon would do more harm than good.
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Reply #53 posted 09/07/05 10:32pm

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Erm, in 7 or 8 years he'll be in his mid 50s. No, a year is fine.
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Reply #54 posted 09/08/05 3:07am

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vainandy said:

Apparently Michael hasn't learned anything from this trial. It's time to become an adult Michael. Leave the rap, hip hop, and other kiddie shit to the kids and do some adult funk.



thanks !!!
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Reply #55 posted 09/08/05 5:26am

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oh that therapy crap again. Leave Mike alone. I am sure that the best therapy for him is his music and dance. I just want him to do whatever makes him happy. biggrin
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #56 posted 09/08/05 5:31am

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vainandy said:

Apparently Michael hasn't learned anything from this trial. It's time to become an adult Michael. Leave the rap, hip hop, and other kiddie shit to the kids and do some adult funk

you haven' t heard it yet, and you already critisize. You know Mike never did what the others do, so I think that he' ll stick to his originality as he always has. All of his albums are different, yet they are bear a Michael Jackson mark. Love Invincible or not, but it is still clearly a Jackson project. You can' t compare his albums, because Off the wall ain' t no thriller, Thriller ain' t no Bad, Bad ain' t no Dangerous and Dangerous ain' t no History and than of course there' s Invincible which is also all completely different.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #57 posted 09/08/05 12:37pm

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dag said:

vainandy said:

Apparently Michael hasn't learned anything from this trial. It's time to become an adult Michael. Leave the rap, hip hop, and other kiddie shit to the kids and do some adult funk

you haven' t heard it yet, and you already critisize. You know Mike never did what the others do, so I think that he' ll stick to his originality as he always has. All of his albums are different, yet they are bear a Michael Jackson mark. Love Invincible or not, but it is still clearly a Jackson project. You can' t compare his albums, because Off the wall ain' t no thriller, Thriller ain' t no Bad, Bad ain' t no Dangerous and Dangerous ain' t no History and than of course there' s Invincible which is also all completely different.


actually, that's exactly the problem. he's made the same album 3 times now.
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Reply #58 posted 09/08/05 12:42pm

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vainandy said:

Apparently Michael hasn't learned anything from this trial. It's time to become an adult Michael. Leave the rap, hip hop, and other kiddie shit to the kids and do some adult funk.

Or even just a pleasant soul record. shrug



Yeah, it sure would be nice. I agree with both comments. MJ hooking up with that egomaniac West won't do a thing for me.
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Reply #59 posted 09/08/05 3:57pm

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SEXYMOFO said:

buttcheeks said:

Why Does Mike Jackson need a Producer?????

Oh, thats right...

He Can't Do It By Himself.

If only he could, he might be as good as ... say...






Prince~ lol

If Michael Jackson would stop Hyping Himself To Be The King Of Pop. He wouldn't be such an easy target. If your the King you better live up to the Hype. Do it all Michael and score a few Hits~ Then I will go along with the Hype. I was a grown adult in the 80s. I have never witnessed more promotional Hype in all my life. Thats just Over-rating someone to me. Its False. Michael ant all that and he is no King Of Pop to me.
*The Quality of Prince material in the last few years is still better than most stuff out there. Including The Kings output~

Oh so every fuckin' musician in the world has to do everything himself do they? Maybe if Prince worked with other people he might make music that other people actually like cos just like it was said by Morris Day 'he's playin shit that no one else wants to hear'. For the past four years Prince has just making the same music that James Brown did back in the 60s and 70s.

Prince's best album (to me anyway) and his most commercially successful was Purple Rain, an album in which he worked with other people (The Revolution). Something he should consider doing again.
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