funkpill said:

Pill, Bill may date a sister but he has miles to go in order to understand the plight of the Black Experience and this is not shocking at all. I have heard from male friends of mine (who are Black) that date women of different races that they have observed similiar displays of ignorance. So, this isn't uncommon at all and indicates that we have a way to go in race relations and dispelling myths about Black Americans.

i'm tired of ppl sticking up 4 raping, looting (plasmas, jewlery etc.. not essentials such as food, water which i am sure both black and white did), shooting at those trying 2 help and calling it racism. fact is there are complete idiots in the world doing this during this time and it's not racism, it's just stupidity. and 4 the complete horrific way the government responded isn't racism it's just plain stupidity. the way the war was handled and the way this was handled, this could have happened on the west coast and this government would have responded the same way. becuz that's just the way they are. stop defending the actions of criminals and passing it off as racism. what's wrong is wrong. they were not given orders to shoot "black" ppl they were threatening 2 shoot those who are committing these crimes.

>>I think YOU are missing the point...What happened in New Orleans should not have ever went down Holloman...The National Guard should have been sent down there on the second day...Because there was no presence there, people went buckwild..People were fighting just to survive...Sure there were a few cats that were stealing (and raping) just because they could...But that was very sparse activity...The majority of the people "looting" were taking the essentials and were dying in the streets...If you know anything about New Orleans it ranks anually as one of the highest murder rates in the country...And it's also part of ONE OF THE POOREST states...So, the question you have to ask yourself is: Why did it take so long to get the National Guard, health and food supplies and a military presence down there instead of being a self ritcheous blowhard...I think that's the only question that needs to be asked...<<

if you did read my post you would have read that I completely blame the government for their lack of quickness in responding. I also believe this government would have blown it even if this happened on the west coast. the comments made by Kanye about "given the order to shoot black people" are obviously his opinion. the order was given, whether right or wrong, to stop the crimes that are happening during this time of help.
[Edited 9/4/05 2:24am]

Holloman said:

I think the days of being politically correct in a post 911 nation is over...the stakes are too high...i feel that Kanye is not the most eloquent dude in the world (He is known for saying some outlandish shit)...But what he said came from the heart and has a lot of truth...Replace "black people" with "poor people" and you will understand what the man is trying to say...And he's not alone...A lot of people feel that the poor (aka...miniorities...aka black...) got the shaft...it's quite simple...And when you see people being described as looters in a time of survival and government officials threatening to shoot to kill the "looters," it's insane...I think you should be more outraged at that then what some rapper said on a fucking telethon...Cool?
[Edited 9/4/05 2:38am]

i really don't care who says what when, cuz there is freedom of speech. but in such is my opinion of where i'm tired of racism always coming about and being put above the main issue. there are black, white and others all whom maybe poor or whatever trying to get out of new orleans and survive. while doing this there are those looting for essentials which you know what, i would do the same thing. food, water, diapers etc. you also have people looting stupid crap, plasmas and jewelry. you also have people being raped during a time when people are just trying to get out of the flood and be safe. you also have helicopters being shot at while trying to come and help. you also have people going into houses and forcing out the owners with guns. now yes new orleans is known for a high crime rate but this is what the government is trying to prevent by saying they are not going to stand for it. it has NOTHING to do about race. it has to do with morons doing idiotic things during this crisis. my 2 cents.. ur 2 cents whatever is cool is cool. i'm just tired of race being an issue in everything that goes awry. the government blew it like i said and like i said b4, they would have blown it if it were done else where cuz that's just the type of government we have. it has nothing to do with race.

Holloman said:

I think class and race are together in this case...And if you can't see that then you are very naive...this is not a case of a kneejerk reaction soundbite or some debate on affirmative action....I saw the shit go down...I saw MOSTLY poor, black folks on TV getting shitted on...I guess you didn't hear why some of the people were shooting at the helicopters...They were shooting at them to make them save their own families who were fucking dying...This is not a "I'm tired of race being used" issue...This is the truth...the people that were left behind were mostly poor and black...that's the facts...And to take a sanctimonious attitude about the whole thing is frankly insulting...Your outrage should be leveled at the government...Motherfuckers just got the right to vote no less than 40 years ago...What's wrong with this picture?????
[Edited 9/4/05 3:02am]

I think class and race are together in this case...And if you can't see that then you are very naive...this is not a case of a kneejerk reaction soundbite or some debate on affirmative action....I saw the shit go down...I so MOSTLY poor, black folks on TV getting shitted on...I guess you didn't hear why some of the people were shooting at the helicopters...They were shooting at them to make them save their own families who were fucking dying...This is not a "I'm tired of race being used" issue...This is the truth...the people that were left behind were mostly poor and black...that's the facts...And to take a sanctimonious attitude about the whole thing is frankly insulting...Your outrage should be leveled at the government...Motherfuckers just got the right to vote no less than 40 years ago...What's wrong with this picture?????

Holloman said:

yes u r right, this is clearly a race/poor class issue. nevermind the fact our government are morons themselves and would have screwed this up in boston if it would have happened. this is clearly just going to go on and on... let's just hope from here on people get the care they need and let's focus on that.

thecableguy said:

ever hear of freedom of speech? no matter what field of business you are in?

Holloman said:

yes u r right, this is clearly a race/poor class issue. nevermind the fact our government are morons themselves and would have screwed this up in boston if it would have happened. this is clearly just going to go on and on... let's just hope from here on people get the care they need and let's focus on that.

Just go tell taht sh*t to the fine soldiers of both color fighting in Iraq right now. They'll tear you another...