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Thread started 08/16/05 5:33pm

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The Hissing of Summer Lawns Appreciation Thread




I have been jamming Joni Mitchell's 1975 masterwork The Hissing of Summer Lawns for the last two weeks. The album is simply brilliant and oh so intelligently executed. The poetic lyrics, the cautionary tales about imprisonment in suburbia, the plight of women, spirituality, F U to the mainstream etc., all combine to make one of the most rewarding listening experiences I've ever encountered. I love how she seduces the listener with breezy up beat folk/pop of the opening track then delves into heavier themes that were hinted at on the opener. Prince was quoted as saying that this was one of the first albums he ever enjoyed from start to finish and I can definitely feel where he is coming from. Furthermore, the albums appreciation long after its initial release is a testament to Mitchell's geninus and proves that she was miles ahead of her peers. It also shows that critical reviews should be taken with a grain of salt, considering that Rolling Stone voted this the worst album of 1975. confused I'm still trying to figure out why some people consider this album so impenetrable. I know its free of repetitive hooks and the songs straddle various genres, but somehow the album still feels accessible.
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Reply #1 posted 08/16/05 5:38pm

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DorothyParkerWasCool said:




I have been jamming Joni Mitchell's 1975 masterwork The Hissing of Summer Lawns for the last two weeks. The album is simply brilliant and oh so intelligently executed. The poetic lyrics, the cautionary tales about imprisonment in suburbia, the plight of women, spirituality, F U to the mainstream etc., all combine to make one of the most rewarding listening experiences I've ever encountered. I love how she seduces the listener with breezy up beat folk/pop of the opening track then delves into heavier themes that were hinted at on the opener. Prince was quoted as saying that this was one of the first albums he ever enjoyed from start to finish and I can definitely feel where he is coming from. Furthermore, the albums appreciation long after its initial release is a testament to Mitchell's geninus and proves that she was miles ahead of her peers. It also shows that critical reviews should be taken with a grain of salt, considering that Rolling Stone voted this the worst album of 1975. confused I'm still trying to figure out why some people consider this album so impenetrable. I know its free of repetitive hooks and the songs straddle various genres, but somehow the album still feels accessible.

i dont blame them disbelief
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Reply #2 posted 08/16/05 5:43pm

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Xavier23 said:
i dont blame them disbelief



Are u serious? Care to expound?

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Reply #3 posted 08/16/05 6:39pm

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I'll testify just for Edith and the Kingpin
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Reply #4 posted 08/16/05 7:12pm

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I finally appreciated this album last month after listening to Hejira, Court & Spark, and Blue. I really think that with this album, she proved that she didn't want to be a pop star with the release of her 1974 critically acclaimed record, Court & Spark. I mean, she does some of her best poetic works with this record and the arrangements were fresh. I really don't know why critics had a major problem with this because as DorothyParkerWasCool just said, it still had a mainstream, pop-jazz sound to it in some parts, but it's also cryptic in a way, everytime I hear it. My favorite tracks on here are In France They Kiss On Main Street, The Jungle Line (the moog synthesizer rhythms and those Burundi drums make the song specially mindblowing!!!), Don't Interrupt The Sorrow, Boho Dance, Hissing Of Summer Lawns (the best track of the record), Shadows and Light, and Edith and the Kingpin.
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Reply #5 posted 08/16/05 8:33pm

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I'll testify for this album... The only track I don't particularly care for is The Jungle Line. But overall it's my favorite Joni album and I think it's the best thing she ever released. I can play this thing from start to finish, keep it on repeat all day and never get bored with it.
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Reply #6 posted 08/16/05 9:26pm

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I first heard this album back in late '85 or so and was mesmerized. It is, to this day, still untarnished in my mind - easily my fave.
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Reply #7 posted 08/16/05 11:08pm

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silverchild said:

I finally appreciated this album last month after listening to Hejira, Court & Spark, and Blue. I really think that with this album, she proved that she didn't want to be a pop star with the release of her 1974 critically acclaimed record, Court & Spark. I mean, she does some of her best poetic works with this record and the arrangements were fresh. I really don't know why critics had a major problem with this because as DorothyParkerWasCool just said, it still had a mainstream, pop-jazz sound to it in some parts, but it's also cryptic in a way, everytime I hear it. My favorite tracks on here are In France They Kiss On Main Street, The Jungle Line (the moog synthesizer rhythms and those Burundi drums make the song specially mindblowing!!!), Don't Interrupt The Sorrow, Boho Dance, Hissing Of Summer Lawns (the best track of the record), Shadows and Light, and Edith and the Kingpin.
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Reply #8 posted 08/16/05 11:14pm

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Digging this out tonight...
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Reply #9 posted 08/16/05 11:27pm

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This is my favorite Joni Mitchell album, with Hejira being a close second. I remember this album just blowing me away the first time I heard it. Each Track drew me in even more. To me, it's the logical progression from Court and Spark. It's beautiful, and I'm not sure why some would have a hard time with it, other than "The Jungle Line", which was a bold quantum leap from anything she had ever done before... (Thomas Dolby used to perform this tune in concert, first warning his audience, "This ain't Woodstock!", lol )

Prince mentioned that this album was one of his favorites, and I can imagine him being influenced by pieces like "Shadows and Light"(those harmonies)and "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow" and "Boho Dance"...



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Reply #10 posted 08/17/05 7:01am

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It's fantastic for sure. But my fave of hers is Hejira which I consider to be her last truly great album. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter is very good, tho'.
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Reply #11 posted 08/17/05 8:11am

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Cloudbuster said:

It's fantastic for sure. But my fave of hers is Hejira which I consider to be her last truly great album. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter is very good, tho'.


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"Summer Lawns" is cool, but gets a bit dragging in places

"Hejira" is good from start to finish! bow
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Reply #12 posted 08/17/05 8:13am

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IstenSzek said:

Cloudbuster said:

It's fantastic for sure. But my fave of hers is Hejira which I consider to be her last truly great album. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter is very good, tho'.


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"Summer Lawns" is cool, but gets a bit dragging in places

"Hejira" is good from start to finish! bow


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Reply #13 posted 08/17/05 8:24am

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This is one of those albums I am always in the mood to listen to. My favorite Joni album hands down. I am beyond confused why anyone from Rolling Stone would loathe this album so much, but I bet they are kicking themselves for that to this day.
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Reply #14 posted 08/18/05 12:42pm

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It's a very weird album (after all these years I'm still just now getting The Jungle Line) but not every song is weird.

In France They Kiss on Main Street is classic Joni, and shouldn't shock fans of Court & Spark. Don't Interrupt the Sorrow is classic Joni. And how could anyone hate the title track? Edith & the Kingpin is a prelude to the Mingus album, far jazzier than anything she'd ever done, but not that out there

Harry's House, however, particularly strikes me as odd. I don't know what it is exactly. Maybe it's the noises ("I said get down off of there!") or the two songs in one factor.

I also like her voice from this period, when smoking had given her a smoky quality, as opposed to her early pixie voice or her later Lucille Ball voice.

The album is one of those few that seems like you could listen forever and not get it completely--that is, not get sick of it.
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Reply #15 posted 08/18/05 2:34pm

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I really like this album, but for me personally, I like Blue and Court and Spark the best. nod It is growing on me though, and I absolutely love "In France People Kiss on Main Street". love I like Joni best when it's just her and a guitar though. biggrin
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Reply #16 posted 08/18/05 3:08pm

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minneapolisgenius said:

I really like this album, but for me personally, I like Blue and Court and Spark the best. nod It is growing on me though, and I absolutely love "In France People Kiss on Main Street". love I like Joni best when it's just her and a guitar though. biggrin


I like Court & Spark the best. I like her full band stuff--Free Man in Paris, Raised on Robbery, etc--and there's lots of that on there. Plus I think she'd fully matured at that point, where Blue was still maybe just a tad naive (not that naive is bad).

But guitar & voice is the classic Joni sound (like Dylan, who I also prefer with a band). Have you heard Hejira? It's a step back into the acoustic world.
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Reply #17 posted 08/18/05 3:15pm

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andyman91 said:

minneapolisgenius said:

I really like this album, but for me personally, I like Blue and Court and Spark the best. nod It is growing on me though, and I absolutely love "In France People Kiss on Main Street". love I like Joni best when it's just her and a guitar though. biggrin


I like Court & Spark the best. I like her full band stuff--Free Man in Paris, Raised on Robbery, etc--and there's lots of that on there. Plus I think she'd fully matured at that point, where Blue was still maybe just a tad naive (not that naive is bad).

But guitar & voice is the classic Joni sound (like Dylan, who I also prefer with a band). Have you heard Hejira? It's a step back into the acoustic world.

Yeah, I have heard Hejira, but I borrowed it from a friend and don't have it with me at the moment. nod I do like it though, I just haven't heard it enough to really post an opinion about it yet. In fact, this thread inspired me to put on Blue, Hissing, and Court on now all in a row. lol

I guess I just like Blue the most because it's what really inspired me to learn guitar. (not that I can even play for shit anyway doh! )
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minneapolisgenius said:

andyman91 said:



I like Court & Spark the best. I like her full band stuff--Free Man in Paris, Raised on Robbery, etc--and there's lots of that on there. Plus I think she'd fully matured at that point, where Blue was still maybe just a tad naive (not that naive is bad).

But guitar & voice is the classic Joni sound (like Dylan, who I also prefer with a band). Have you heard Hejira? It's a step back into the acoustic world.

Yeah, I have heard Hejira, but I borrowed it from a friend and don't have it with me at the moment. nod I do like it though, I just haven't heard it enough to really post an opinion about it yet. In fact, this thread inspired me to put on Blue, Hissing, and Court on now all in a row. lol

I guess I just like Blue the most because it's what really inspired me to learn guitar. (not that I can even play for shit anyway doh! )


These avatars! Of course I assumed you were an amazing guitar player.

Blue is an amazing collection of songs. I guess it's her voice as much as anything that I prefer on Court.

Hejira is more subtle, the songs longer. Good road trip music.

For the Roses is pretty good, too. A transition between Blue & Court & Spark. Not quite as good as either, but with elements of both, and some great songs.

She's fun to play along with. Obvious since she's played with some of the great guitar players--Robben Ford, Jaco.
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Reply #19 posted 08/18/05 3:59pm

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andyman91 said:

minneapolisgenius said:


Yeah, I have heard Hejira, but I borrowed it from a friend and don't have it with me at the moment. nod I do like it though, I just haven't heard it enough to really post an opinion about it yet. In fact, this thread inspired me to put on Blue, Hissing, and Court on now all in a row. lol

I guess I just like Blue the most because it's what really inspired me to learn guitar. (not that I can even play for shit anyway doh! )


These avatars! Of course I assumed you were an amazing guitar player.

Blue is an amazing collection of songs. I guess it's her voice as much as anything that I prefer on Court.

Hejira is more subtle, the songs longer. Good road trip music.

For the Roses is pretty good, too. A transition between Blue & Court & Spark. Not quite as good as either, but with elements of both, and some great songs.

She's fun to play along with. Obvious since she's played with some of the great guitar players--Robben Ford, Jaco.
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lol No I really do suck though. nod

I don't have For the Roses yet. Sounds cool though.
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Reply #20 posted 08/18/05 4:03pm

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I first got hipped to this from my mother. She played this album quite a bit. When I was little, it, like so many other albums, were always in the background of my mind. Of course when I got older, I really dug it. Still do. I like Joni. This album and her "Blue" album, I like a lot.
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Reply #21 posted 08/20/05 1:54pm

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I've been into Joni for quite awhile now, but this album just sorta went under my radar. I guess I just focused on her oldest stuff. But I'm really loving it. Could easily turn into a favorite.
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Reply #22 posted 08/20/05 3:35pm

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GangstaFam said:

I've been into Joni for quite awhile now, but this album just sorta went under my radar. I guess I just focused on her oldest stuff. But I'm really loving it. Could easily turn into a favorite.


Keep at it, man. It's a great piece of work. wink
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Reply #23 posted 08/21/05 12:17pm

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Cloudbuster said:

GangstaFam said:

I've been into Joni for quite awhile now, but this album just sorta went under my radar. I guess I just focused on her oldest stuff. But I'm really loving it. Could easily turn into a favorite.


Keep at it, man. It's a great piece of work. wink



nod Indeed. One of the most moving albums I've ever heard and you find little nuances with each spend. Easily my favorite Joni Mitchell album.
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Reply #24 posted 08/21/05 9:21pm

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Loving it!
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Reply #25 posted 08/22/05 3:33am

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she might be snorting her ass off with cocaine but the record is just beautiful.

my favourite moments or songs on this record:

IN FRANCE THEY KISSED ON MAIN STREET

EDITH AND THE KINGPIN ("the wires in the wall are hu-u-u-u-mming")

the beginning of THE HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS

THE BOHO DANCE segueing into HARRY'S HOUSE/CENTERPIECE with the trumpet sounding like the plane

CENTERPIECE in HARRY'S HOUSE/CENTERPIECE

and don't forget the picture of Joni in the swimmingpool.
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Reply #26 posted 08/22/05 4:33am

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I have been jamming Joni Mitchell's 1975 masterwork The Hissing of Summer Lawns for the last two weeks. The album is simply brilliant and oh so intelligently executed. The poetic lyrics, the cautionary tales about imprisonment in suburbia, the plight of women, spirituality, F U to the mainstream etc., all combine to make one of the most rewarding listening experiences I've ever encountered. I love how she seduces the listener with breezy up beat folk/pop of the opening track then delves into heavier themes that were hinted at on the opener. Prince was quoted as saying that this was one of the first albums he ever enjoyed from start to finish and I can definitely feel where he is coming from. Furthermore, the albums appreciation long after its initial release is a testament to Mitchell's geninus and proves that she was miles ahead of her peers. It also shows that critical reviews should be taken with a grain of salt, considering that Rolling Stone voted this the worst album of 1975. confused I'm still trying to figure out why some people consider this album so impenetrable. I know its free of repetitive hooks and the songs straddle various genres, but somehow the album still feels accessible.


I absolutely agree. I think it's one of Joni's best! Unfortunately the critics missed out on this gem!
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Reply #27 posted 08/22/05 8:39am

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i remember buying this in high school after reading it was one of Prince's favorite albums. i got chills down my spine while listening to it for the first time, thinking to myself i have discovered the source. lol lol

IMO, you can hear a lot of Joni's influence on P's first 2 albums.
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