NWF said: Oh, and add Alison Moyet to that list too.
You didn't even give me any love for including her in my list. That's the only one you got right. tA France countdown - T-Minus 2 days and counting. Tribal Disorder http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm "Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all." | |
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namepeace said: NWF said: I'm not taking my list back. I believe that these guys really do have Soul, whether they play that genre or not. And that wasn't Nick Rhodes, dude. If you're referring to that dude with the tinted shades, that would be Paul Weller from Style Council and The Jam. He's the Modfather with soul! And when I mention guys like Robert Plant and Rod Stewart, they were influenced by Soul and Blues and stuff, and you can easiily hear that in their music. It's all there, man. Yeah, and try not to take my posts too seriously. I speak in good humor. Oh, and add Alison Moyet to that list too. [Edited 8/23/05 9:47am] Why you gotta hurt peoples' feelins and stuff? Who's that Duran Duran looking dude in the first post? Looks like Nick Rhodes to me. I wasn't referring to the shaded dude. Influences aside, those guys aren't soul singers as the term "soul music" is commonly understood. I'm not here to hurt people's feelings. I speak in good humor and in a respectable manner. I also look at these topics very critically and analytically. But really, what is "soul" music anyways? There's this big misconception that in order to be soulful (by music industry standards), you have to be Black or sound Black, or come from a Gospel background. I think anything can be soul music. I think a singer with soul expresses themself with passion, honesty, and heart. They're not faking it. A truly soulful singer keeps it real. I think you can find soul in any genre, really, just as long as th message is delivered from the heart. I think Morrissey, for example, has soul. Perhaps to you he may sound like a junkie trying to fit opera into a pop song. But I think he sings with passion, intensity and heart. And isn't that what really counts? Fucking music industy politics, man, I'll tell ya. By the way, you should've known that the guy in the first pic is Jason Kay from Jamiroquai. Nick Rhodes? Now you really gonna get it, Audience. NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: intha916 said: 50+ posts and only two people mentioned Bobby Caldwell
When "What You Won't Do For Love" came out everyone thought he was black. It didn't hurt that he was in the shadows on the album cover. Y'all must be really young or not up on your soul. Bobby is top 10 easy, if not top 5 Good lord! I HAD NO IDEA THAT CAT WASN'T A BROTHA! LOL! If someone were to bet me that Bobby Caldwell was white, I'd bet the farm and my pinky ring to say he was a Black! Damn. Good shit. My bad. See, that's the true test of a great blue eyed soul singer Bringing Together Five Decades of R&B/Funk/Soul/Dance
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lol @ crucial. you determines who's officially a soul singer right? lol.
anyway i think celine dion is a good choice. people thought both elvis and buddy holly were black people when they first heard them. um, jon b. is a good one. you guys seem to have a thing for teena marie here, so what the hell, we'll throw her in. | |
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intha916 said: TheCrucialExperience said: Good lord! I HAD NO IDEA THAT CAT WASN'T A BROTHA! LOL! If someone were to bet me that Bobby Caldwell was white, I'd bet the farm and my pinky ring to say he was a Black! Damn. Good shit. My bad. See, that's the true test of a great blue eyed soul singer "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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2cute4uhoney said: lol @ crucial. you determines who's officially a soul singer right? lol.
anyway i think celine dion is a good choice. people thought both elvis and buddy holly were black people when they first heard them. um, jon b. is a good one. you guys seem to have a thing for teena marie here, so what the hell, we'll throw her in. Well, YOU can always start your OWN thread and TRY and set the record straight! LOL! But SOUL music is generally BLACK MUSIC that's why they have call white people that do soul music "BLUE-EYED SOUL." Check yaself before ya wreck yaself, kid! "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: 2cute4uhoney said: lol @ crucial. you determines who's officially a soul singer right? lol.
anyway i think celine dion is a good choice. people thought both elvis and buddy holly were black people when they first heard them. um, jon b. is a good one. you guys seem to have a thing for teena marie here, so what the hell, we'll throw her in. Well, YOU can always start your OWN thread and TRY and set the record straight! LOL! But SOUL music is generally BLACK MUSIC that's why they have call white people that do soul music "BLUE-EYED SOUL." Check yaself before ya wreck yaself, kid! lol! ya better check yo self before you wreck yo self cuz i'm bad for your health I come real stealth | |
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CinisterCee said: TheCrucialExperience said: Well, YOU can always start your OWN thread and TRY and set the record straight! LOL! But SOUL music is generally BLACK MUSIC that's why they have call white people that do soul music "BLUE-EYED SOUL." Check yaself before ya wreck yaself, kid! lol! ya better check yo self before you wreck yo self cuz i'm bad for your health I come real stealth "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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thesexofit said: Cloudbuster said: Well, US radio pretty much tuned them out after 1980. Like Barry once said, most radio wouldn't even listen to their stuff when sent, nevermind actually play it. A shame 'cos many of their later singles were equally as good as their 60s & 70s work. And sometimes better. U guys made me dig up that album again. I dont mind "for whom the bell tolls", but stuff as excellently produced as " anything for you" is alot better. Do you have the KC mix of Paying The Price of Love? the same KC that mixed Cream, not the KC of KC and the Sunshine Band fame. | |
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NWF said:[quote] namepeace said: Why you gotta hurt peoples' feelins and stuff? Who's that Duran Duran looking dude in the first post? Looks like Nick Rhodes to me. I wasn't referring to the shaded dude. Influences aside, those guys aren't soul singers as the term "soul music" is commonly understood. I'm not here to hurt people's feelings. I speak in good humor and in a respectable manner. I also look at these topics very critically and analytically. Now YOU didn't get the joke . . . Seriously, I know your rep and your approach. But really, what is "soul" music anyways? There's this big misconception that in order to be soulful (by music industry standards), you have to be Black or sound Black, or come from a Gospel background. I think anything can be soul music. I think a singer with soul expresses themself with passion, honesty, and heart. They're not faking it. A truly soulful singer keeps it real. I think you can find soul in any genre, really, just as long as th message is delivered from the heart. I think Morrissey, for example, has soul. Perhaps to you he may sound like a junkie trying to fit opera into a pop song. But I think he sings with passion, intensity and heart. And isn't that what really counts?
Fucking music industy politics, man, I'll tell ya. I agree with you. But "soul" is a style. Hell, Rock and Roll (which is rooted in blues) is a style but Luther Vandross isn't a rock singer. Country is a style but Al Green isn't a country singer. It's a matter of style. "Soul" is a style, or genre, of music that has been primarily the province of the black artist. That don't mean white folk don't do it and do it well. But not all white singers who sing from their heart and soul are soul singers. By the way, you should've known that the guy in the first pic is Jason Kay from Jamiroquai.
I did and he's not a soul singer IMHO. He fronts one of my all-time favorite bands, but I don't classify him as having any particular style. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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I have to add my two cents to this thread.
Two great singers from Canada that simply ooze soul are: Burton Cummings (formerly of the Guess Who) Jim Cuddy (singer - Blue Rodeo) Both of these men have amazing voices, but are always overlooked. It's too bad as both have a huge repertiore of great music. | |
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Another Canadian...
John Finley... ...One of the lead singers from the 60s group Rhinoceros A few paragraphs from an article about one of John's former bands The Checkmates... The following month, The Stones returned to Toronto for a second appearance at the Maple Leaf Gardens, and The Checkmates were duly hired to open the show. On this occasion, the band not only managed to perform a full set but also, according to Cutler, whipped the audience in to such a frenzy that the headliner's performance was delayed by nearly an hour. "The Stones had to stay in the dressing room for a good thirty to forty minutes to let things cool down as we had caused a riot. That's a sign of being upstaged." Local demand for the band quickly attracted interest from further afield, and around the time of the second Maple Leaf Gardens show, the group was approached with a number of offers, both from US giants like RCA and also from small indie labels such as Elektra. One individual who expressed a particular interest in the group (and who was to play an influential role in Finley's career) was future Doors producer Paul Rothchild. "Paul made a tentative pitch to us but we had our young eyes on bigger dreams than a small indie at the time and had some industry establishment types interested in us," admits Finley. Besides an offer from RCA, heavyweight labels Decca and Motown, which subsequently signed another local band, The Mynah Birds (best known for including Neil Young and Rick James) expressed an interest in The Checkmates. Like Rothchild, Motown president Berry Gordy ventured north to check out the band but as Cutler points out: "The word on the street was that he didn't pay any money." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= They also mention The Mandala on the Rhinoceros website. A Canadian band that had 2 (not simultaneously) premiere blue-eyed Soul singers (George Olliver & Roy Kenner) tA France countdown - T-Minus 1 day and counting. Tribal Disorder http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm "Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all." | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: 2cute4uhoney said: lol @ crucial. you determines who's officially a soul singer right? lol.
anyway i think celine dion is a good choice. people thought both elvis and buddy holly were black people when they first heard them. um, jon b. is a good one. you guys seem to have a thing for teena marie here, so what the hell, we'll throw her in. Well, YOU can always start your OWN thread and TRY and set the record straight! LOL! But SOUL music is generally BLACK MUSIC that's why they have call white people that do soul music "BLUE-EYED SOUL." Check yaself before ya wreck yaself, kid! alright, alright. just a joke, i'm just playing with ya. | |
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2cute4uhoney said: TheCrucialExperience said: Well, YOU can always start your OWN thread and TRY and set the record straight! LOL! But SOUL music is generally BLACK MUSIC that's why they have call white people that do soul music "BLUE-EYED SOUL." Check yaself before ya wreck yaself, kid! alright, alright. just a joke, i'm just playing with ya. Ok, now! You was about to get me started! LOL! "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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Chucky, have you ever heard of SOUL MUSIC? A simple yes or no will do. This topic is about WHITE ARTISTS THAT HAVE A SOULFUL/R&B SINGING VOICE.
BRUCE FUCKIN' SPRINGSTEEN IS NOT A SOUL SINGER. I don't know how much clearer I have to make this for you. First of all, I really like the way you capitalize the letters in your words when you're trying to stress a point. Second of all, the reason why I'm up in arms is cos your list had Boy George on it and Boy George does not have a soulful voice! | |
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I'm extremely late to this thread, but just for the hell of it , these are my favorite Blue-Eyed Soul Voices: Bobby Caldwell, Michael Mcdonald, Lewis Taylor, Kenny Loggins, Teena Marie, Daryl Hall, Barry Gibb, Boz Scaggs, Peter Cox(Go West), Todd Rundgren, Hamish Stuart (AWB), Mick Hucknall (Simply Red) ... btw, while I know he doesn't fit here, I don't know WHAT category to put him in, I'd just like to say, off topic, that, for the record, that Donald Fagen is the coolest White Boy I Know.... ... [Edited 8/25/05 8:22am] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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Only two come to mind and that's George Michael and Nikka Costa.
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chuckaducci said: Chucky, have you ever heard of SOUL MUSIC? A simple yes or no will do. This topic is about WHITE ARTISTS THAT HAVE A SOULFUL/R&B SINGING VOICE.
BRUCE FUCKIN' SPRINGSTEEN IS NOT A SOUL SINGER. I don't know how much clearer I have to make this for you. First of all, I really like the way you capitalize the letters in your words when you're trying to stress a point. Second of all, the reason why I'm up in arms is cos your list had Boy George on it and Boy George does not have a soulful voice! Glad you're intrigued by capital letters, first time ever seeing them, eh? You can be up in arms all you want, but so far you're the ONLY ONE that feels Boy George DOESN'T have a soulful voice. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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okaypimpn said: Only two come to mind and that's George Michael and Nikka Costa.
The rest I could personally do without. These two over the likes of Michael McDonald and Bobby Caldwell? Really? Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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I just noticed - most of these "blue-eyed" soul singers actually have brown eyes
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namepeace said: okaypimpn said: Only two come to mind and that's George Michael and Nikka Costa.
The rest I could personally do without. These two over the likes of Michael McDonald and Bobby Caldwell? Really? Yeah, not taking anything away from Michael or Bobby (they have nice voices), but I personally wouldn't choose them over George Michael. George's voice is more unique than any other blue-eyed soul singer IMO, so that's why I chose him and likewise for Nikka (even though she has the tendency to channel Janis Joplin a bit too much ) | |
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alandail said: I just noticed - most of these "blue-eyed" soul singers actually have brown eyes
And dont it make your brown eyes blue? "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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You can be up in arms all you want, but so far you're the ONLY ONE that feels Boy George DOESN'T have a soulful voice.
Ha...I wouldnt care if Jesus himself was up in here claiming that the Diva from Culture Club had a soulful voice.... I'd still disagree; to a point. I listened to "Karma Chameleon" today, which I think is his best vocal. I was wrong about the warbling; he's actually in possession of a pleasant voice but its hardly what should pass for top ten blue-eyed soul voices. | |
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chuckaducci said: You can be up in arms all you want, but so far you're the ONLY ONE that feels Boy George DOESN'T have a soulful voice.
Ha...I wouldnt care if Jesus himself was up in here claiming that the Diva from Culture Club had a soulful voice.... I'd still disagree; to a point. I listened to "Karma Chameleon" today, which I think is his best vocal. I was wrong about the warbling; he's actually in possession of a pleasant voice but its hardly what should pass for top ten blue-eyed soul voices. Well, if you'd disagree witbJesus then there's no way I can help a LOST SOUL like you! LOL! Again, maybe you need to listen to more than JUST ONE SONG before you pass judgment. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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Yo...
If you read my post carefully, you'll see that I favor "Karma Chameleon" over anything else Boy George has sung because I view it at his best vocal performance on a record. I'm familiar with his work enough to have an opinion that compared to most of the singers mentioned here, I dont think Boy George's name should uttered. Like I said, Boy George sounded horrible live and that's a true singer's test. He aint DJing now for nothin'.....! His voice is not top ten material; believing otherwise suggests you either have bad taste or cannot judge without being objective. | |
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chuckaducci said: Yo...
If you read my post carefully, you'll see that I favor "Karma Chameleon" over anything else Boy George has sung because I view it at his best vocal performance on a record. I'm familiar with his work enough to have an opinion that compared to most of the singers mentioned here, I dont think Boy George's name should uttered. Like I said, Boy George sounded horrible live and that's a true singer's test. He aint DJing now for nothin'.....! His voice is not top ten material; believing otherwise suggests you either have bad taste or cannot judge without being objective. Oh, I see what YOU'RE doing...you're judging him ON HIS VOICE now. Suit yorself. Dude STILL had one of the most soulful voices for a white artist. Period. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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