Moonwalkbjrain said:

and its not like Marvin and Prince are checking ID's either. If we limited greats to role models, we would have a really bad list.

Hmm Here's mine

I think he is a washed out joke. And he has had his last gasp of breathe.

yall can bikcer & bitch all u want, but that aint gonna change a damn thing. Michael is still and will always be the greatest living Entertainer. evr. period

Krytonite said:

SINCE HE TURN HIMSELF INTO A WHITE OLD LADIE AND STARTED TO HANG OUT WITH YOUNG HISPANIC LOOKING BOYS! HOW MORE NEGETIVE CAN HE BE?!
YES MUSIC IS VERY MUCH ABOUT ENTERTAINMENT BUT PEOPLE AROUND HAVE FORGOTTON TO TELL MICHEAL JACKSON THAT CUZ HE HAS OBVIOUSLY HAS A PROBLEM WITH JUST ENTERTAINING HIS FANS AND HAS CONCERTRATE ON DISSING HIMSELF FROM HIS BLACK SELF!AND DONT GIVE THAT BULL ABOUT ITS A SKIN PROBLEM, CUZ WHY HAS HE HAD SO MUCH PLASTIC SURGERY TO MAKE HIMSELF LOOK EVEN MORE LIKE A WHITE WOMAN? AND I QUITE DISGUISED BY HIM CUZ AT ONE STAGE HE WAS THE MOST POWERFULIST PERSON ON THIS EARTH, ROUND THE THILLER AREA, EVERY KID LOOKED UP TO HIM AND HE THREW IT ALL AWAY FOR SELF REASONS AND BECAME AN EMBARRESSMENT. KIDS CANT LOOK UP TO HIM ANYMORE IN THE SAME LIGHT. HE FUCK UP MAYGER. AND HES GETTING WORSE HE DOES NOT CARE. BECAUSE IF HE DID HE WOUNDNT DO THESE THINGS HE DOES. UMM, VERY POSITIVE MOVE MJ

catpark said:

grammatical errors not withstanding, what u people also forget is that michael Jackson is a human being with imperfections and insecurites like evryone else. just beacuse he is a celebrity doesn't mean that he is exempt from making mistakes. and evryone also forgot that Michael did not have a normal childhood. how many 10 year olds can say they were on the road performing to a crowd of 60000 people a night, had tremendous pressure from a tyrannous father , and did not know how to reacte to people who not standing 10 feet in front of them screaming??? i mean really. u guys just hound on michael way too much

I think Thriller becoming the biggest selling album of all time was the downfall of MJ.

ARTIST LIKE JIMI AND MARVIN AND RAY AND MANY MORE HAD THEIR PERSONAL PROBLEMS WITH DRUGS IT IS WIDELY KNOWN IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY. THEY'VE TRIED TO KEEP OUT OF THE PUBLIC EYE AS MUCH AS THEY COULD AND THEY ALL TRIED TO SOLVE IT SOME DID SOME DIDNT. MICHEAL HAS CREATED AN IMAGE THAT IS VERY NEGETIVE AND SELFISH. HE IS A PUBLIC FIGURE IN SOCIETY AND HE HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO CREATE A POSITIVE ONE FOR 'HIS' FANS AND HE CHOOSES NOT TO. THE MESSAGE HE DISPLAYS IS HE DOESNT LIKE BEING BLACK. IF DOESNT WANT TO BE A POP STAR HE COULD EASLY DISAPPEAR BUT OBVIOUSLY WANTS TO BE' SO UNTIL HE THEN HE HAS A TO CREATE POSISTIVE IMAGES TO ALL HIS NON WHITE FANS, BUT HE DONT CARE, HES AN ARSEHOLE

Who doesn’t have an opinion on Michael Jackson? I hate MJ fans (which I assume you are) who ask about what ppl think. Who gives a fuck, just listen and be happy.

This is for those who don’t think Michael is a genius.

Michael Jackson is a Motherfuckin’ Genius. The person who this site is dedicated to said as much. Anyone who starts their assessment of Michael Jackson with Off The Wall is to be completely disregarded. Michael Jackson was a Legend before he ever made a solo record with Epic or met Quincy Jones. As we now speak 5th and 6th generation clones of the Jackson 5 are being created for money making purposes. The J5 weren’t the first, but they were the best.

That’s right, the best Boy Band ever. Did they right the songs? No. Did They play instruments? Yes. Did Michael Jackson sing live day after day, hour upon hour since the age of six? Yes. Are The Jackson 5 in the Rock In Roll Hall of Fame? Yes. Was Michael Jackson responsible for changing popular music way back in the early 70’s? Yes. Barry Gordy and host of talented people were responsible, but Michael Jackson is the star of the best fuckin Boy Band ever. The Industry continues to churn out J5 clones (the latest being B5) and people question his influence—and this all before Off The Wall. That’s right, Michael Jackson was a Genius before he did the Biggest Black Album of all time and the BIGGEST SELLING ALBUM of all time*. That’s right, from biggest selling Black album to the biggest of any artist. Michael Jackson is the most famous man on this planet, Michael Jackson is also a Black man whose ancestors were enslaved; if people don’t understand the significance of this, then they really need a history lesson.

Michael Jackson was a Genius before he met Q. Michael Jackson’s childhood voice can hold its own with any great voice in pop music history and was vastly superior to any named geniuses mentioned in this thread. That’s right, Michael Jackson is one of the greatest vocalists of all time. One of the greatest vocalists in the most important Boy Band of all time. Anyone who says they like Prince and not an MJ or J5 tune needs to put down the Purple Kool-aid. I suppose Prince went to see the J5 in 74 for no good damn reason. Michael Jackson solo career begin started in 71. While all those might not be great, Rockin Robin went to no.2 and Ben went to No.1. Five number ones songs before 1973 ended. Michaels Motown solo stuff alone has a number of quality songs, enough for Motown to make several greatest hits. For those that don’t like the J5, fine, but the J5 has all the critical and popular acclaim to back up their Legacy. And that’s the thing with Michael, you may not dig his shit, but he has the commercial as well as the critical acclaim to back up his stature. In 1974 Michael Jackson did the robot on Soul Train and Dancing Machine went to No.2 on the pop charts. (We would be here all day if I counted the R&B hits.) Michael perfected that Robot better than any pop star has ever perfected a dance move. Michael Jackson was the best spinner ever. Michael Jackson is the best, most influential dancer in pop music history.

The Jackson’s turn out quality albums for a few more years. In 1978 Destiny sold 2 million copies and IMO is the best Jackson’s album. If Michael never made another solo album and continued with his Brothers he would still be great and a lot saner.

Off The Wall, Michael Jackson’s crowning artistic achievement is only made such by the Genius of Quincy Jones. Any MJ fan that doesn’t recognize this is insane. Off The Wall is arubaly more critically acclaimed (check RS 500), influential and better selling (of course) than Prince’s artistic achievement Sign ‘O’ The Times. Michael Jackson could never make Sign ‘O’ The Times or any other P album, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that 25 years after its making, Off The Wall is more influential than Sign ‘O’ The Times. Pharrel Williams’ (the hottest producer in music) entire sound is based on this album. Off The Wall combined with his J5 career combined with his singing and dancing talents is enough to certify MJ a genius imo.

Nobody has ever done THRILLER, Nobody. For those who weren’t around to see it, No one has ever done it and most likely never will. Instead of getting into Thriller


http://en.wikipedia.org/w...28album%29

lets get into these insane comparisons between Prince and Madonna who by 1983 were upstarts. That’s right, upstarts. Michael Jackson had changed the music game twice with the J5 and Thriller before Prince became huge and before Madonna even had an album out. He had performed two times as much as both put together. To compare their careers based on their output from 78 till now is like comparing U2 to Black Sabbath.

Has Michael Jackson made any great album or did any thing revolutionary since Thriller? No. Did he really have to though? He did make popular albums with some good to great songs on them and stepped up his dance speed and timing.

36 years later Michael Jackson is still here. Prince has almost another 10 years before he can say that. Madonna has never made an artistic achievement like Off The Wall or a commercial success like Thriller. Her singing and dancing abilities are mediocre and average on a good day. Madonna is superior in a variety of aspects, both I find there is no good reason to compare the two other than fam bickering. I realize that this is a Prince website and Prince has been in the shadow of MJ. MJ being a genius has nothing to do with Prince being a genius. Prince is superior to a lot of other artist, does that mean they suck just cause their not better than Prince. As far as influence goes, theirs an industry out there for finding the next MJ. MJ has more clones than any other artist, even more than the J5.

I’m a bigger fan of MJ than I have ever been, I grew out of his stuff at one point, but a few years ago I realized how unique he is. He’s not Prince, Bowie, Dylan, Miles..... and was never intended to be. If you don’t like his music, fine, but the man is up there with Sinatra and Sammy Davis as one of the best Song and Dance men ever. As far as popular music is goes, he’s the best song and dance man ever, hands down.

In the Best Boy Band ever.
The best song and dance man ever.
RECORD SALES
AWARDS
.....


My opinion on the person is irrelevant. His father and Barry Gordy saw that MJ’s life would be this way. Michael Jackson is program, like the Beatles and all extremely popular music and movements. He was a vehicle for mass population control and diversion. What do Britney, Justin and Christina have in common? They can make you huge or turn you into a Modern Minstrel Act which Americans can freely enjoy without seeming bigoted....because of course he did it to himself. MJ is no longer the control force he use to be, they no longer need or want him.
They tried to take MJ out, but failed; he’s the most powerful Nigger in the world.



*world figures

I'm working on another MJ vid, for those who care

lilgish said:

Preach it

He should stop spending time with other people's kids and just stick to his own two kids.

Prospect said:

Michael has 3 kids.

lilgish said:

see my signature.

Mike is the biggest asshole in the biz.....after Quincy Jones.

Xavier23 said:

That has to be one of the more eloquent statements on MJ's overall impact, even though I still believe some of his fans have a tendency to overate his musical prowess.But let me just say this: Mike's true genuis was always his performance abilities...He was simply a child prodigy (during the J5 years); that rare performer/vocalist that even made his older peers look silly...And during his older years from 78 to 84, MJ's stage chops were ridiculous...That said, MJ has never done anything remotely close to Sign O' The Times artistically...The problem I have with hardcore MJ fans (I'm an MJ fan from 1976 to 1984)is that they seem to be only concerned with record sales. To me MJ was always better than that, and I wish he would have understood this...Fuck how many records Thriller sold; the man was just an astonshing performer at his peak...The problem with judging your success on record sales is record sales are fleeting...Ironically, it was his own obsession with selling albums that artistically destroyed MJ's musical standing (pre-court dates)...

The reason why Prince is often chosen over MJ is simple: He really was the complete package...Forget the fact that the man could play a myriad of instruments because that's not fair to MJ when you make such comparisons...The fact is, Prince was basically singer, songwriter,(musician...I couldn't resist.. LOL), entertainer and producer...Put it this way: Prince was Jimi Hendrix, Joni Mitchell, James Brown, Frank Zappa, Stevie Wonder, Little Richard and The Rolling Stones all in one...Dude was that sick...And now that the '80s have become a distant memory, people have been able to look back at that decade and see that Prince dwarfed his peers artistically, including MJ...

But I've used the same phrase over and over again: MJ is the greatest song and dance man ever...However, as far as MJ's influence, yes, Pharrell utilized a lot of the Off The Wall sound...But this was more of an influence of Quincy Jones than Mike, since Q did the majority of the production....I think when you are talking about MJ, his popularity and influence cannot be swept under the rug....For a time, dude really was the G.O.A.T. (Greatest Of All Time) in terms of impact....Yet he still aint fucking with Stevie Wonder, Prince or even David Bowie for that matter...MJ was the greatest entertainer of all time during his commercial reign...I think that's all that needs to be said about the man...Nothing more, nothing less.
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I always thought Pharrell took from Dangerous more, being a Teddy Riley protegé and all. Why You Wanna Trip On Me is classic Neptunes stuff.

Anyway, great posts from lilgish and murph. I might not agree with it all, but I do most. Can't be arsed to get into it all in this thread.

One thing I gotta say is that just like MJ fans shouldn't count him as "the greatest" by going from record sales and awards won, Prince fanatics shouldn't judge by mathematics either, that's not how music appreciation works. Just because someone has the ability and does occasionally do 100% or close to that of the work on their albums, doesn't necessarily make it any good. Chas N Dave do too, does that make them better than a mere performer like Diana Ross? If you have select criteria specified for an artist so it's OK to like them, then your record collection must be very dull and limited indeed.
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He's OK.

lilgish said:

exactly...add elvis, gary glitter, and chuck berry to that list and there u have a tiny meeting of jailbait lovers annomys!

I can't remember who said it, but they were right when they said that if you judge musical artists based on their personal lives and only appreciate the "clean" ones then you're basically left with Sting.

catpark what is ur deal with this selfish shit?
did mike personally jipp u or something? last time i check mike was :gasp: HUMAN!! and as a human its damn near second nature to be selfish. mikes only responsibility in this life is to look out for him, his kids and anyone else he see's fit. and its OUR responsibility to look out for US and anyone else we see fit. so why don't u look out for u and stop paying so much attention to him. it really aint that serious. i swear this role model shit as always baffeled me

Wow you're all flamig, so desperate to prove how Prince is better than MJ.

He fucking isnt so get over it

LightOfArt said:

I dunno how anyone would want to "prove" anything. It can't be done because music isn't calculus.

Hell, let's put this thing to film. There are plenty of grown men who love arthouse films, but still their all time favourite is Star Wars. Are they "wrong"?
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Novabreaker said:

Ellie said:

Prince plays writes produces everything he does, MJ cant. so we must all love P more

He's gorgeous!

lilgish said:

big fat ass co sign!! u are soooo right!

Prince is better at applying make-up on his face, at the very least.

so true. he once said that his dream was to have the biggest selling album of all time. and while it was his dream i wish it had never come true. that way he'd always be hungry. always be focused. and always have something to aspire to. instead of having something to top.

Novabreaker said:

Better eyeliner and at he doesn't look stupid with facial hair

Ellie said:

He doesn't?

Nah man, it's damn sexy!