How?

superspaceboy said:

it's quite easy to compare 6 albums to 25 when half of the twenty five albums is shit anyway. and as for Madonna i don't know why ppl treat her like she's some kinda pop music god or something sure some of her songs are cool and stuff. but madonna is basically a performer and great for people who want to be entertained. but then that is all there is a bundle of sex rapped up in an overproduced voice, over some over produced music.

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

I gotta say I agree with every single word and this is pretty much how I've felt over the last 2 or 3 years regarding MJ.

superspaceboy said:

just wanted to say that QUALITY not QUANTITY is the key

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

I just listed how. For a lot of what you hear on todays radio and dance clubs and see in fashion much of it is influenced by her. She did scores for solo female artists. No she wasn't the first at most of the things she did, but she brought them to such a scale that had not been seen before.

I'm not going into the history lesson of Madonna. It's hard to point these things out if you just don't know. It's been going on since before you were born and she's still doing it. SHe's not the greatest by any means..but has a fiece sense in what's going to change trends and what's not. Or at least she used to be.

squiddyren u just described prince

Xavier23 said:

If you and Booty were older you'd understand. And the same can be said of the Bolded up there of MJ. He's just an entertainer. I actually would NOT call him an artist.

Nice to see MJ's career started in 1979. I thought it was 69, but I could be wrong.

superspaceboy said:

yet u confer that prestigious title on madonna???

Moonwalkbjrain said:

But the difference is that, with Prince, it came off as more of a gimmick than anything. He's very comfortable in his (what would certainly appear to be) cultivated androgynous image, flaunts (or flaunted) it with no shame, and still manages to showcase genuinely heterosexual tendencies along the way (whether he could be bisexual is a different story ).

To me, MJ simply comes off as hopelessly feminine. It doesn't appear to be an act at all. It's all very natural and he and Prince have two almost totally different characters, which is what makes me more suspicious of MJ.

squiddyren said:

yes prince does come as a heterosexual male, hard as nails

Michael Jackson is a very talented entertainer whose music I have enjoyed very much. He has some qualities that I love and also some that I can't stand.

Musically.....

He has had some absolute jams during the run of his career. I give him major respect for releasing an album like "History" in 1995 with many uptempo funk jams when almost everyone else at the time had sold out to midtempo bullshit. It's too bad he eventually sold out to it with his last album but at least he jammed longer than most others. Even though he's had some jams on the albums, I wish he would have done them alone and left off all the damn guest stars and I absolutely hate the emotional bullshit like "Heal The World" and "Childhood".

Personally.....

I love the fact that he is a "celebrity" in every sense of the word. He doesn't dress like everyday ordinary people. I can't stand for stars that "keep it real" and look like any other fool on the street. A star is supposed to dress and look totally different and unique and be set apart from the rest of the world. Even though I think his appearance looks totally fucked up, he is still doing what a star is supposed to do....look different. A star is also supposed to have their nose in the air and carry themselves in a "I'm better than you", "You can't get close to me" way. Michael definatley does that.

Now, for things I don't like about him. I can't stand the fact that he hangs out with children. He needs to grow his ass up. Kick those damn kids to the curb! One of the things I like about him is that his sexuality is questionable. Hell, if he wants some dick, get a dick with some hair around it and leave those damn boys alone. Also, he should stop crying and being so damn sensitive. Hell, be a bitch! Don't sit and cry over things....get even! Hell, he's got the money and power to do whatever he wants and he sits and cries like a damn child.

I like Michael Jackson but there are things that he does that makes me want to slap the weave out of his head.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

ok first off more people see reality than u think and everyone is not blinded by the red, white and blue. however i will say this, while i don't like some things about this country, don't agree with things, i don't agree that it is not cool to live here. especially for women, compared to some other countries where women are given away to be married, aren't allowed to vote or own land, have their genitals cut to keep them "fresh" because the men only want virgins.etc..etc..i think this country is pretty good compared to that don't ya think? ANd we all know racism is alive and well here...however, what country doesnt have rasicm?



i sooo beg to differ. to be real honest princes whole fem thing doesn't seem like gimik to me. it seems like hes really intune with his fem side. anything wrong with that? not to me

Even though I live in a country that has plenty of racism (which exists in other countries also), I still would rather live in the States than anywhere else.

Don't judge us all because we have a president that is a damn ignorant racist, John Wayne wannabe, cowboy, motherfucker that was voted in by trailer trash rednecks and Beverly Hillbillies (rednecks with money). Even though he makes us look bad, we all didn't vote for him.

vainandy said:

co sign!

Moonwalkbjrain said:

True, but P admitted a few years ago in an interview with Chris Rock that while he was being himself, he was also pulling something of an act, and even if his feminity IS genuine, at least he's very comfortable and assertive in it. MJ just doesn't come off as collected and comfortable in his feminity at all; in my opinion, it's not that he simply has a feminine side, but that he's a major closet case. Polygraph-passing allegations by an old friend of gay sex in tabloids (yeah, I know it's not automatically fact, but it's smoke), constantly hanging around places of gay allure like Liberace's mansion and Studio 54 in the late '70s when there were all the gay rumors in the first place, and being best friends with massive gay icons like Elizabeth Taylor and Liza Minnelli are really what help seal my suspicions-- they may be stereotypes, but it's too many stereotypes for me to not raise an eyebrow.

vainandy said:

Mark my word: he's gonna be HUGE someday. Just watch.

squiddyren said:

wow. ok so since we're playing stereotypes its my turn!
white people can't dance, are tryna keep the black man down, and when they get wet smell like dogs.
black people ALL like fried chicken, are gangsters, junkies, and criminals
hispanics all live 50 to a house, and raise chickens in their backyards
asians all have slanty eyes, are really yellow, and all talk like this "ching chang wooooo yi dai!

all women are sensistive, should stay in the kitchen, and should cater to their man

its a mans world, they own it, they can do what they want, all men are strong and bread winners by nature...

Is your other eye brow raised yet?

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Now we're turning this into a personal race and gender-related discussion? I was just making observations and ADMITTED I was listing stereotypes, and I can't PROVE he's gay, now, can I? Remember that old "MJ's Sexuality" discussion a long time back? Most of the people in there (a few of them gay) who believed MJ was gay will tell you most of the same things I've said.

squiddyren said:

yea i know what u admitted. i read ur whole thing. i know u know u were listing steretypes, thats why i listed some more. to show u how foolish it was to buy into them. dont judge a book by its cover

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Same goes, then, for the open gays themselves in that thread centered around MJ's sexual orientation, who were stereotyping homosexuality when describing why they felt MJ was gay and, IMO, made some valid points. Just because a guy is feminine doesn't mean he's gay, but when he exhibits so many blatant common signs, I personally feel I'm entitled to think whatever I wish, even if I could be wrong.

Ellie said:

Ellie..thank you for putting to words what I never bothered doing..and doing it in the perfect way. Kuddos to you!

Being feminine does not make a man gay but when a man is so feminine all the time, outsiders can't help but wonder. Only the man in question knows for sure and sometimes he doesn't even admit it to himself.

I HAVE NEVER BEEN A BIG FAN OF MJ. WHILE EVERYONE AROUND ME WERE RAVING ABOUT MJ(ESPECICALLY AROUND THE THILLER ERA)I WAS FUNKING OUT TO ('WE ARE NOT WORTHY!')PRINCE. I DONT WANNA DISS MJ, BECAUSE HE HAS ACHIEVE SO MUCH, BUT THE FACT REMAINS PRINCE IS A GENIUS AT WHAT HE DOES; IN EVERY MUSICAL FORM THAT IS HUMAMALLY POSSIBLE. MJ HAS ALWAYS NEEDED SOMEONE OR SOMETHING BEHIND TO PRODUCE THE MUSIC THAT HE WANTS TO PUT OUT. EVERYTHING IS ANIMATED AND FAKE. AND ALSO HAVE U EVER NOTICE THAT MJ HAS BEEN DOING THE SAME DANCE MOVES SINCE OFF DA WALL/THILLER!
AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE EARLIER STATEMENTS, THERE HAS BEEN LOADS OF OTHER ARTIST WHO HAVE MADE MORE ORIGNAL MUSIC THAN MJ, AND HAVE BEEN QUITE AMAZING. EG; THE AMAZING PRINCE FIRST AND FOREMOST. THEN U HAVE PEOPLE LIKE JIMI HENDRIX, STEVIE WONDER MARVIN GAYE, MADONNA, DAVID BOWIE, THE BEATLES, PUBLIC ENEMY, RAY CHARLES ETC ETC. ALL THESE AND MORE HAVE HAD SUCH AN 'POSITIVE' IMAGE AND STATEMENT ON THE MUSIC INDUSTRY. WERE MJ IS VERY NEGETIVE ROLE MODEL FOR ANY HUMAN BEING. ALSO I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE THINKS THIS IS MY OPINON. MJ NEEDS SOME SERIOUS HELP!

Xavier23 said:

U've got 2 be kiding me. Great yes but that is a bold statment.

MJ=ARSE

catpark said:

MJ is a very negative role model for any human being? Since when?

Music is entertainment, not education.

catpark said:

wow when did this turn into a mj vs prince thread?
anyway....just would like to correct u on a thing or two.
THE AMAZING PRINCE FIRST AND FOREMOST. THEN U HAVE PEOPLE LIKE JIMI HENDRIX, STEVIE WONDER MARVIN GAYE, MADONNA, DAVID BOWIE, THE BEATLES, PUBLIC ENEMY, RAY CHARLES ETC ETC. ALL THESE AND MORE HAVE HAD SUCH AN 'POSITIVE' IMAGE AND STATEMENT ON THE MUSIC INDUSTRY.

really? are ya sure? u sure madonna, prince, jimi and ray are positive? lets go down the list shall we?
jimi last time i checked is labelled a genious. followed by drug doer and more harshly a junky(yes i know jimi was not a junky). ray charles was a junky for a while, didn't cha kno? glad to know u think junkies or labelled junkie are positive role models.
as for madonna and prince. sex sex sex sex sex.
as for mj last time a checked being a humanitarian was considered positive. the only negative thing thruout his career has been the mollesting charges. these people u listed aint no better or worse then mj. and he aint no better or worse then them. get ya facts straight

Krytonite said:

Michael is a great role model for people..just don't practice his "sleeping in bed with little boys is okay cus it isn't sexual practice" and you'll be A okay.
Not because I think Michael is guilty of it, but I just don't think it looks good to society and since lots of people are law suit happy in USA - it is in everyone's best interests.