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Someone please explain why Mariah is so successful... ...I have liked a handful of her singles...but not ONE album is an even, solid listen all the way through except for maybe her debut...if you're into that kind of music. her newest record is kinda cool, there are some nice songs, but a lot of it is just shit. i like "we belong together" actually but number 1 for 11 weeks...i mean c'mon...someone! why is this bitch the second biggest female star ever? I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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Why not?  | |
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badujunkie said: ...I have liked a handful of her singles...but not ONE album is an even, solid listen all the way through except for maybe her debut...if you're into that kind of music. her newest record is kinda cool, there are some nice songs, but a lot of it is just shit. i like "we belong together" actually but number 1 for 11 weeks...i mean c'mon...someone! why is this bitch the second biggest female star ever?
Sounds like a Haterade commercial. And you must be dehydrating. 
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The problem is that mariah doesn't innovate...always the same formula! | |
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badujunkie said: ...I have liked a handful of her singles...but not ONE album is an even, solid listen all the way through except for maybe her debut...if you're into that kind of music. her newest record is kinda cool, there are some nice songs, but a lot of it is just shit. i like "we belong together" actually but number 1 for 11 weeks...i mean c'mon...someone! why is this bitch the second biggest female star ever?
I think you just answered your own question. That record grabbed a lot of people who were hoping, or believed, that potential would be realized in subsequent albums. On top of that... A) She was a fresh face B) She could actually sing C) *In terms of popular female vocalists, she had no competition *If you're about to play the Janet/Madonna cards, they might be pop personalities but neither of them are true singers. tA  Tribal Disorder
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theAudience said: badujunkie said: ...I have liked a handful of her singles...but not ONE album is an even, solid listen all the way through except for maybe her debut...if you're into that kind of music. her newest record is kinda cool, there are some nice songs, but a lot of it is just shit. i like "we belong together" actually but number 1 for 11 weeks...i mean c'mon...someone! why is this bitch the second biggest female star ever?
I think you just answered your own question. That record grabbed a lot of people who were hoping, or believed, that potential would be realized in subsequent albums. On top of that... A) She was a fresh face B) She could actually sing C) *In terms of popular female vocalists, she had no competition *If you're about to play the Janet/Madonna cards, they might be pop personalities but neither of them are true singers. tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm Don't forget Whitney. Mariah started out doing Whitney-type ballads before expanding into heavily sampled songs with guest rappers. |
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whodknee said: theAudience said: I think you just answered your own question. That record grabbed a lot of people who were hoping, or believed, that potential would be realized in subsequent albums. On top of that... A) She was a fresh face B) She could actually sing C) *In terms of popular female vocalists, she had no competition *If you're about to play the Janet/Madonna cards, they might be pop personalities but neither of them are true singers. tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm Don't forget Whitney. Mariah started out doing Whitney-type ballads before expanding into heavily sampled songs with guest rappers. True, but Whitney was starting to play out as the Pop diva. I'm Your Baby Tonight vs. Mariah, not even close. Even Tina's Foreign Affair, released a year earlier (and I love Tina), didn't really stack up in the Pop arena. tA Tribal Disorder
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An irresistible combination of undeniable talent, mediocrity, sugar daddies in high places, blow jobs, and Sony payola. | |
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VoicesCarry said: An irresistible combination of undeniable talent, mediocrity, sugar daddies in high places, blow jobs, and Sony payola.
And the Godfather:  | |
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MikeMatronik said: VoicesCarry said: An irresistible combination of undeniable talent, mediocrity, sugar daddies with mob connections in high places, blow jobs, and Sony payola.
And the Godfather:  Amended! | |
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she had a good run for the first few years. post-Daydream, her career's been running on fumes. "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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I think the reason she's successul is because her music is more in tune with today's generation, it has hip-hop flava, some of sutff is sampled, etc. If she wasnt and she stuck to the same formula of her first album, I think it wouldve eventually fell play out like somebody said earlier and hurt her record sales. I guess you gotta do what you gotta do if wanna stay alive in the industry. Me, personally, I like every album Mariah's put out...but I get a little tired of her always trying hit them notes, sometimes its annoying. | |
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VoicesCarry said: An irresistible combination of undeniable talent, mediocrity, sugar daddies in high places, blow jobs, and Sony payola.
what? | |
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kinaldo said: VoicesCarry said: An irresistible combination of undeniable talent, mediocrity, sugar daddies in high places, blow jobs, and Sony payola.
what? Don't act like she never gave Tommy his fair share. | |
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VoicesCarry said: kinaldo said: what? Don't act like she never gave Tommy his fair share. no way, cos she had that innocent girl next door thing going on back then | |
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kinaldo said: VoicesCarry said: Don't act like she never gave Tommy his fair share. no way, cos she had that innocent girl next door thing going on back then  | |
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Prospect said: I think the reason she's successul is because her music is more in tune with today's generation, it has hip-hop flava, some of sutff is sampled, etc. If she wasnt and she stuck to the same formula of her first album, I think it wouldve eventually fell play out like somebody said earlier and hurt her record sales. I guess you gotta do what you gotta do if wanna stay alive in the industry. Me, personally, I like every album Mariah's put out...but I get a little tired of her always trying hit them notes, sometimes its annoying.
ironically, it's when she started going the hip-hop route that things began to go south (creatively and commercially), aside from the occasional hot track. she traded in a time-tested, proven, loyal audience (adult contemporary) to a fickle, trend-mongering one (contemporary r&b/hip-hop). had she relied less on the hip-hop thing and kept it at a minimum next to the adult contemporary stuff, i think she might have stayed hot for longer. there's really nothing wrong with her hip-hop influenced stuff. but at a certain point, the people who were interested in actually hearing her sing actual songs just gave up on her, because all she was doing was cooing over a sampled groove from the 80's while waiting for the rapper to show during the bridge. "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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GrayKing said: ironically, it's when she started going the hip-hop route that things began to go south (creatively and commercially), aside from the occasional hot track. she traded in a time-tested, proven, loyal audience (adult contemporary) to a fickle, trend-mongering one (contemporary r&b/hip-hop).
had she relied less on the hip-hop thing and kept it at a minimum next to the adult contemporary stuff, i think she might have stayed hot for longer. there's really nothing wrong with her hip-hop influenced stuff. but at a certain point, the people who were interested in actually hearing her sing actual songs just gave up on her, because all she was doing was cooing over a sampled groove from the 80's while waiting for the rapper to show during the bridge. Very well put. I'm one of those that were "...interested in actually hearing her sing actual songs..." tA Tribal Disorder
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theAudience said: badujunkie said: ...I have liked a handful of her singles...but not ONE album is an even, solid listen all the way through except for maybe her debut...if you're into that kind of music. her newest record is kinda cool, there are some nice songs, but a lot of it is just shit. i like "we belong together" actually but number 1 for 11 weeks...i mean c'mon...someone! why is this bitch the second biggest female star ever?
I think you just answered your own question. That record grabbed a lot of people who were hoping, or believed, that potential would be realized in subsequent albums. On top of that... A) She was a fresh face B) She could actually sing C) *In terms of popular female vocalists, she had no competition *If you're about to play the Janet/Madonna cards, they might be pop personalities but neither of them are true singers. tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm i dont think it's possible to sustain 15 years in the spotlight based on a stellar debut record that wins grammys and has multiple hits (ie Cyndi Lauper, Alanis, etc) and as far as Janet/Madonna...when people study popular culture 100 years from now, those two names will come up COUNTLESS more than mariah. i said nothing of vocal prowress, although one of those women has sold more albums worldwide than mariah. [Edited 8/14/05 16:09pm] I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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It was 49 cent cassette/ 99 cent cd singles!!!!!
Back in the mid-90's I worked at a wrecka stow and every Mariah single that came out had a price tag of .49 cents! All her singles from 'Fantasy' on down to 'Thank God I Found You' were released this way. 'Loverboy' was full price first week then after it's dismal debut..Virgin hacked the price down to 49 cents and it syrocketed to #2 the following week. This way everyone would buy it cuz of the price and then she would debut on Billboard's Top 100 at #1 mainly based on sales and not as much airplay. This was an obvious Mottola scheme and it worked for a couple years before Billboard chaged their system and airplay would be more important than single sales in order for songs to chart. Thus marking the end of the single a few years later. peace Every minute of last night is on my face today.... | |
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badujunkie said:[quote i like "we belong together" actually but number 1 for 11 weeks...i mean c'mon...someone! [/quote]
I'm still not tired of hearing We Belong Together. And I'm so glad she's keeping shit like Don't Cha from the #1 spot. Part of her chart topping success now is that so much music out there sucks! | |
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VANITYSprisonBYTCH said: It was 49 cent cassette/ 99 cent cd singles!!!!!
Back in the mid-90's I worked at a wrecka stow and every Mariah single that came out had a price tag of .49 cents! All her singles from 'Fantasy' on down to 'Thank God I Found You' were released this way. 'Loverboy' was full price first week then after it's dismal debut..Virgin hacked the price down to 49 cents and it syrocketed to #2 the following week. This way everyone would buy it cuz of the price and then she would debut on Billboard's Top 100 at #1 mainly based on sales and not as much airplay. This was an obvious Mottola scheme and it worked for a couple years before Billboard chaged their system and airplay would be more important than single sales in order for songs to chart. Thus marking the end of the single a few years later. peace so what, the fact is people still bought them cos they liked the songs, 49cents or not. | |
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kinaldo said: VANITYSprisonBYTCH said: It was 49 cent cassette/ 99 cent cd singles!!!!!
Back in the mid-90's I worked at a wrecka stow and every Mariah single that came out had a price tag of .49 cents! All her singles from 'Fantasy' on down to 'Thank God I Found You' were released this way. 'Loverboy' was full price first week then after it's dismal debut..Virgin hacked the price down to 49 cents and it syrocketed to #2 the following week. This way everyone would buy it cuz of the price and then she would debut on Billboard's Top 100 at #1 mainly based on sales and not as much airplay. This was an obvious Mottola scheme and it worked for a couple years before Billboard chaged their system and airplay would be more important than single sales in order for songs to chart. Thus marking the end of the single a few years later. peace so what, the fact is people still bought them cos they liked the songs, 49cents or not. People (the public) didn't like Loverboy. Her lambz ordered as many as 500 copies of that trash at $0.49 a pop just to get it to #1. However, it only made #2 It was already on its way down the chart if you take airplay into account (I think it had peaked in the high 50's and was at #60 when the commercial single was dumped on the market at a loss). | |
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kinaldo said: VANITYSprisonBYTCH said: It was 49 cent cassette/ 99 cent cd singles!!!!!
Back in the mid-90's I worked at a wrecka stow and every Mariah single that came out had a price tag of .49 cents! All her singles from 'Fantasy' on down to 'Thank God I Found You' were released this way. 'Loverboy' was full price first week then after it's dismal debut..Virgin hacked the price down to 49 cents and it syrocketed to #2 the following week. This way everyone would buy it cuz of the price and then she would debut on Billboard's Top 100 at #1 mainly based on sales and not as much airplay. This was an obvious Mottola scheme and it worked for a couple years before Billboard chaged their system and airplay would be more important than single sales in order for songs to chart. Thus marking the end of the single a few years later. peace so what, the fact is people still bought them cos they liked the songs, 49cents or not. I'm not saying the songs were not good...but it was pretty obvious why they were so cheap. I think I own most of those singles!  Every minute of last night is on my face today.... | |
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badujunkie said: i dont think it's possible to sustain 15 years in the spotlight based on a stellar debut record that wins grammys and has multiple hits (ie Cyndi Lauper, Alanis, etc)
and as far as Janet/Madonna...when people study popular culture 100 years from now, those two names will come up COUNTLESS more than mariah. i said nothing of vocal prowress, although one of those women has sold more albums worldwide than mariah. Mariah has sustained "a fanbase" (probably a shifting/evolving one based on comments GrayKing made) for 15 years. While she may have lost a few initial ones, they were obviously replaced by others that dug the hip-hop/guest rapper period. A combination of those 2 groups are buying the records and making her a "success". Now you make not get it, and I certainly stopped paying attention after her first 3 releases, many others have obviously supported her. Your original question was, Why is she successful? Not whether she will be considered an icon or who's sold more records than who. My premise is she's successful partly because she can actually sing and I think the public was ready to hear a real singer. I personally could care less who society considers an icon or who's sold more records. tA Tribal Disorder
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theAudience said: badujunkie said: i dont think it's possible to sustain 15 years in the spotlight based on a stellar debut record that wins grammys and has multiple hits (ie Cyndi Lauper, Alanis, etc)
and as far as Janet/Madonna...when people study popular culture 100 years from now, those two names will come up COUNTLESS more than mariah. i said nothing of vocal prowress, although one of those women has sold more albums worldwide than mariah. Mariah has sustained "a fanbase" (probably a shifting/evolving one based on comments GrayKing made) for 15 years. While she may have lost a few initial ones, they were obviously replaced by others that dug the hip-hop/guest rapper period. A combination of those 2 groups are buying the records and making her a "success". Now you make not get it, and I certainly stopped paying attention after her first 3 releases, many others have obviously supported her. Your original question was, Why is she successful? Not whether she will be considered an icon or who's sold more records than who. My premise is she's successful partly because she can actually sing and I think the public was ready to hear a real singer. I personally could care less who society considers an icon or who's sold more records. tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm point taken I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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VANITYSprisonBYTCH said: kinaldo said: so what, the fact is people still bought them cos they liked the songs, 49cents or not. I'm not saying the songs were not good...but it was pretty obvious why they were so cheap. I think I own most of those singles! and i'm not saying the songs are good. my point is people aren't gonna buy a single just because it's cheap, which is exactly what u said This way everyone would buy it cuz of the price
and buying up 500 copies of loverboy hardly equates to the millions of other singles she's sold | |
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kinaldo said:[quote] VANITYSprisonBYTCH said: and i'm not saying the songs are good. my point is people aren't gonna buy a single just because it's cheap, which is exactly what u said This way everyone would buy it cuz of the price
and buying up 500 copies of loverboy hardly equates to the millions of other singles she's sold The fact that a lower price (and by "lower", I mean "bargain basement" when the average single is $3.99) stimulates sales, which has ALWAYS been the primary component of her chart success until We Belong Together, is not up for debate. Mottola knew what he was doing. | |
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VoicesCarry said: kinaldo said: and buying up 500 copies of loverboy hardly equates to the millions of other singles she's sold The fact that a lower price (and by "lower", I mean "bargain basement" when the average single is $3.99) stimulates sales, which has ALWAYS been the primary component of her chart success until We Belong Together, is not up for debate. Mottola knew what he was doing. maybe the low prices do stimulate sales, but I can't see anybody buying a single unless they like the song. so fair play to her and Mottola. If people like it and buy it then I don't think her chart performances are misleading at all. | |
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kinaldo said: VoicesCarry said: The fact that a lower price (and by "lower", I mean "bargain basement" when the average single is $3.99) stimulates sales, which has ALWAYS been the primary component of her chart success until We Belong Together, is not up for debate. Mottola knew what he was doing. maybe the low prices do stimulate sales, but I can't see anybody buying a single unless they like the song. so fair play to her and Mottola. If people like it and buy it then I don't think her chart performances are misleading at all. Sure people do: Cheap gifts, a $0.49 free sample (you're basically giving it away at that price), etc. I think her chart performance is misleading between the price fixing and the payola Sony and Mottola (privately) were involved with in her case. He blacklisted her from the radio when she left Sony in 2001 (an embargo that was only lifted when he was replaced), so fucking the boss had its advantages. And the funny thing about Mariah is, despite all her accomplishments, none of her songs are really memorable save Vision Of Love. She doesn't really have a list of definitive songs that have entered the popular consciousness (even dross like "Hero" doesn't come close). [Edited 8/14/05 16:30pm] | |
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