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Reply #30 posted 08/12/05 3:57am

krayzie

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lilgish said:

VoicesCarry said:



Do you also think Madonna invented Vogueing?


she invented the remix. nod


Yeah, and she's the first to understand that sex sells... Another big contribution to the Music..... rolleyes
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Reply #31 posted 08/12/05 4:15am

DavidEye

RipHer2Shreds said:

VoicesCarry said:



Those tracks were innovative? eek

Do you also think Madonna invented Vogueing?

Vogue was innovative in the way that Madonna is always "innovative." She took a sound that had fringe success and added some pop appeal to it to make it more radio friendly. House music found some success on the music charts, but I think Vogue really opened the door for house music's success in the early 90s. I still can remember when [b]Vogue came out and thinking that I hadn't really heard anything like it get that much radio play. Same goes for Justify My Love. There was nothing like it being played on radio. It was some freaky, funky, scary shit.[/b]



Exactly.It's difficult to be original and groundbreaking in today's pop music scene,but I give Madonna credit for trying.Many of her singles are not your typical Top 40/pop music crap.Songs like "Vogue","Justify My Love","Hanky Panky","Frozen","Bedtime Story" and "Don't Tell Me" took her in bold,new directions.That's what I love about her music.It's pop,to be sure,but there is always that something extra that makes the music exciting and edgy.
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Reply #32 posted 08/12/05 4:32am

DavidEye

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yes. this record will be a big commercial success. it will be marketed as a dance pop record and she'll pull all the favors she needs from any of the people necessary.

this ain't her first time at the rodeo, y'all!



One thing that really works in this album's favor is...it won't come with alot of the negative controversy that hurt 'American Life'.Many critics and record-buyers wrongly assumed that the previous album was anti-Bush/anti-American,and the provocative video (which had to be pulled) didn't help matters.That was a crazy time,with the war and all.But this new CD is being marketed/promoted as a fun dance album with no messages,no ballads,no controversy.This could prove to be a winning strategy.Without question,it will do better than 'American Life'.
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Reply #33 posted 08/12/05 4:54am

DavidEye

found this on another board.Take it with a grain of salt,it's from one of those so-called "insiders" who claim that they have heard the album....


I HEARD CONFESSIONS!

If you don't wanna know stuff,piss off! Otherwise,absord the little bit of info that I will provide otherwise my balls will be put on a platter

I have been told sternly,I cannot give out any details about song names or anything (except "Hung Up"),but only the sound and what my opinions are about this dance epic

(I got a gun to my head right now)

in brief...

13 killer songs.3 are VERY VERY long.Last song is my favorite.

It's the Madonna we have been waiting for since 1985

I don't like two of the songs (very un-melodic and just repetitive nonsense)

"Hung Up" is truly a fantastic song.Very fresh,very happy,bouncy...very Goldfrapp/Mirwais/Scissor Sisters---but with a fucking awesome killer beat!!!!! It will be huge despite it's lack of lyrics

The album as a whole is very atmospheric
The only thing that worries me is the lack of lyrics
it's more music-driven

The clubs will love it

the album is very 2005-6 and will be a hit

except for the 2 songs that I don't like
one is very "Nobody Knows Me"-like (a very hard groove to get into,very abstract you know? and not rewarding at all,just repetitive)

the other is very "brave" except the tune is yawwwwnnnn


hmmm
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Reply #34 posted 08/12/05 5:10am

Cheek

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It's the Madonna we have been waiting for since 1985


What are you talking about??? Like A Prayer (1989), Ray Of Light (1998) and True Blue (1986) are her best albums!!! cool
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Reply #35 posted 08/12/05 5:36am

DavidEye

Cheek said:

DavidEye said:

It's the Madonna we have been waiting for since 1985


What are you talking about??? Like A Prayer (1989), Ray Of Light (1998) and True Blue (1986) are her best albums!!! cool



hey don't shoot the messenger,I didn't say it lol

Personally,I prefer the music that came after 1985.The first two albums are cool dance/pop albums,but it can't compete with what came later.
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Reply #36 posted 08/12/05 6:44am

hellomoto

DavidEye said:

found this on another board.Take it with a grain of salt,it's from one of those so-called "insiders" who claim that they have heard the album....


I HEARD CONFESSIONS!

If you don't wanna know stuff,piss off! Otherwise,absord the little bit of info that I will provide otherwise my balls will be put on a platter

I have been told sternly,I cannot give out any details about song names or anything (except "Hung Up"),but only the sound and what my opinions are about this dance epic

(I got a gun to my head right now)

in brief...

13 killer songs.3 are VERY VERY long.Last song is my favorite.

It's the Madonna we have been waiting for since 1985

I don't like two of the songs (very un-melodic and just repetitive nonsense)

"Hung Up" is truly a fantastic song.Very fresh,very happy,bouncy...very Goldfrapp/Mirwais/Scissor Sisters---but with a fucking awesome killer beat!!!!! It will be huge despite it's lack of lyrics

The album as a whole is very atmospheric
The only thing that worries me is the lack of lyrics
it's more music-driven

The clubs will love it

the album is very 2005-6 and will be a hit

except for the 2 songs that I don't like
one is very "Nobody Knows Me"-like (a very hard groove to get into,very abstract you know? and not rewarding at all,just repetitive)

the other is very "brave" except the tune is yawwwwnnnn


hmmm

please, no one take this seriously, this is from a guy called ozmadge, who calls people fukkuntz and dip shit faggot heads, he posts crappy insulting posts all the time and i think he does it for a laugh
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Reply #37 posted 08/12/05 6:45am

DavidEye

hellomoto said:

DavidEye said:

found this on another board.Take it with a grain of salt,it's from one of those so-called "insiders" who claim that they have heard the album....


I HEARD CONFESSIONS!

If you don't wanna know stuff,piss off! Otherwise,absord the little bit of info that I will provide otherwise my balls will be put on a platter

I have been told sternly,I cannot give out any details about song names or anything (except "Hung Up"),but only the sound and what my opinions are about this dance epic

(I got a gun to my head right now)

in brief...

13 killer songs.3 are VERY VERY long.Last song is my favorite.

It's the Madonna we have been waiting for since 1985

I don't like two of the songs (very un-melodic and just repetitive nonsense)

"Hung Up" is truly a fantastic song.Very fresh,very happy,bouncy...very Goldfrapp/Mirwais/Scissor Sisters---but with a fucking awesome killer beat!!!!! It will be huge despite it's lack of lyrics

The album as a whole is very atmospheric
The only thing that worries me is the lack of lyrics
it's more music-driven

The clubs will love it

the album is very 2005-6 and will be a hit

except for the 2 songs that I don't like
one is very "Nobody Knows Me"-like (a very hard groove to get into,very abstract you know? and not rewarding at all,just repetitive)

the other is very "brave" except the tune is yawwwwnnnn


hmmm

please, no one take this seriously, this is from a guy called ozmadge, who calls people fukkuntz and dip shit faggot heads, he posts crappy insulting posts all the time and i think he does it for a laugh




yeah,I've seen "Ozmadge" on the Madonna boards..lol...he's a trip lol
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Reply #38 posted 08/12/05 7:35am

endorphin74

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twink69 said:

I know there is alot of hype sorrounding Madonna's new album, her last album had alot of hype 2 but didn;t go anywhere, Is this really going to be a MADONNA comeback? Madonna's success has always been based on innovation with this new album she is looking back to past success will this work or backfire?

or is MADONNA at a different stage of her career, is she now just happy do be where Tina,Barbara and Rolling Stone are and be a touring artists who gives fans a new cd of what they want every few years to keep them happy and no longer cares about comercial success?

I'm not big fan so maybe some can shed some non bias light on this?
[Edited 8/11/05 20:34pm]


If Madonna could ever start acting her age and be a mature adult like Cher (but better due to having an icon status), then (and ONLY THEN) will this new album be a commercial sucess. neutral


falloff

Wasn't it just a week or 2 ago that we saw Madonna's latest photo spread and everyone was complaining about how she was less exciting now that she's grown up.
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Reply #39 posted 08/12/05 7:45am

RipHer2Shreds

endorphin74 said:

TonyVanDam said:



If Madonna could ever start acting her age and be a mature adult like Cher (but better due to having an icon status), then (and ONLY THEN) will this new album be a commercial sucess. neutral


falloff

Wasn't it just a week or 2 ago that we saw Madonna's latest photo spread and everyone was complaining about how she was less exciting now that she's grown up.

lol Well, she is less exciting, but I'm still a fan. Everyone's gotta grow up sometime - she just did it with a red thread tied 'round her wrist. Even still she's more entertaining than most acts out there, and I cannot wait for this album.
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Reply #40 posted 08/12/05 7:57am

VoicesCarry

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VoicesCarry said:



Ok, I was thinking "musically innovative" in the sense that you actually create something new, of your own. As opposed to lifting trends and making them acceptable for the mainstream. Let's call a spade a spade.
[Edited 8/11/05 20:55pm]



Nobody really "creates" anything new in pop music.It's all been done before.Every artist is inspired by what came before them.The trick is to take a style,add your own "flavor" to it,and take it another level.That's exactly what Madonna did with "Vogue".She didn't invent house music or vogueing (nor did she ever claim that she did),but she came up with a dazzling,spectacular song that celebrates that culture.I don't know why so many people expect her to re-invent the wheel everytime she puts out a new CD.
[Edited 8/12/05 4:01am]


Where did I say I expected it of her? I just do not find Madonna to be musically innovative. No pop star is, anymore. There is innovative music being made, though. Every artist that ever lived has been influenced by previous artists - that isn't the issue.
[Edited 8/12/05 7:58am]
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Reply #41 posted 08/12/05 8:00am

VoicesCarry

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VoicesCarry said:



Ok, I was thinking "musically innovative" in the sense that you actually create something new, of your own. As opposed to lifting trends and making them acceptable for the mainstream. Let's call a spade a spade.



Yes, let's. Because they aren't trends until she gets her hands on them. Prior to that, they are underground and sideshow fads.

There is a difference.


It's the same thing as Michael Bay ripping off a cult flick from the 70's and turning it into a summer blockbuster. shrug I still don't believe it makes her musically innovative at all, so let's just agree to disagree.
[Edited 8/12/05 8:02am]
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Reply #42 posted 08/12/05 8:03am

CrozzaUK

DavidEye said:[quote]

"Hung Up" is truly a fantastic song.Very fresh,very happy,bouncy...very Goldfrapp/Mirwais/Scissor Sisters---but with a fucking awesome killer beat!!!!! It will be huge despite it's lack of lyrics

[quote]


I like the way he describes the new single as Mirwais / Goldfrapp / Scissor Sisers.....cause they all sound the same dont they.

To be honest I do think this album will be a hit. American Life was the most unmarketable Madonna album yet. It simply didnt have the singles to catch the casual audience. Dont get me wrong, I love the album, I simply dont think it was possible to market to a pop audience. If the next one has 3 killer songs on it, and the rest average (like Music), it will sell well.

The problem with AL was:

1) Dropping the AL video - it was a great video, that other one was cheap and tacky - people laughed at it.
2) The first 2 singles (Die Another Day & American Life) were two of her weakest ever, so it gave a really bad impression of the album to casual fans.
Coupled with the fact that there were not really any obvious radio hits on there.

3) The timing. The media hyped it up to be an anti-war album, but in reality only the video for AL made this connection, most of the songs covered ground madonna has covered many times before. As a result of this political connection it suffered. Airplay suffered and reviewers would criticise it without even making reference to the music on it.

The new album needs a great lead of single to be a hit. If its fresh and catchy it will do the job. Coupled with a stylish video, it will sell itself. No need to do endless tacky prommotions on every single TV show, no need for boring interviews about how her life has changed (hasn't it changed with every album since 1998 yet still never been different???)

If I were her publicist Id limit her to two major interviews, one to the music press (Rolling Stone??), and one to a TV network, and Id make sure that the emphasis was music, past & present. Too many times we always hear about the kaballah this or her country house that, i dont care, just talk about the music.
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Reply #43 posted 08/12/05 8:10am

VoicesCarry

CrozzaUK said:[quote]DavidEye said:[quote]

"Hung Up" is truly a fantastic song.Very fresh,very happy,bouncy...very Goldfrapp/Mirwais/Scissor Sisters---but with a fucking awesome killer beat!!!!! It will be huge despite it's lack of lyrics




I like the way he describes the new single as Mirwais / Goldfrapp / Scissor Sisers.....cause they all sound the same dont they.

To be honest I do think this album will be a hit. American Life was the most unmarketable Madonna album yet. It simply didnt have the singles to catch the casual audience. Dont get me wrong, I love the album, I simply dont think it was possible to market to a pop audience. If the next one has 3 killer songs on it, and the rest average (like Music), it will sell well.

The problem with AL was:

1) Dropping the AL video - it was a great video, that other one was cheap and tacky - people laughed at it.
2) The first 2 singles (Die Another Day & American Life) were two of her weakest ever, so it gave a really bad impression of the album to casual fans.
Coupled with the fact that there were not really any obvious radio hits on there.

3) The timing. The media hyped it up to be an anti-war album, but in reality only the video for AL made this connection, most of the songs covered ground madonna has covered many times before. As a result of this political connection it suffered. Airplay suffered and reviewers would criticise it without even making reference to the music on it.

The new album needs a great lead of single to be a hit. If its fresh and catchy it will do the job. Coupled with a stylish video, it will sell itself. No need to do endless tacky prommotions on every single TV show, no need for boring interviews about how her life has changed (hasn't it changed with every album since 1998 yet still never been different???)

If I were her publicist Id limit her to two major interviews, one to the music press (Rolling Stone??), and one to a TV network, and Id make sure that the emphasis was music, past & present. Too many times we always hear about the kaballah this or her country house that, i dont care, just talk about the music.


The album also needed better artwork. That cover was pure trash, and Madonna knew it, too. Apparently she was really upset with the photographer, Craig McDean.
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Reply #44 posted 08/12/05 9:02am

CrozzaUK

VoicesCarry said:

It's the same thing as Michael Bay ripping off a cult flick from the 70's and turning it into a summer blockbuster. shrug I still don't believe it makes her musically innovative at all, so let's just agree to disagree.
[Edited 8/12/05 8:02am]


I dont think madonna is a musical innovator in the purest sense, however innovation is all about change and taking risks, and madonna has made a career out of that. There are very few musical innovators, simply people who re-interpret what went before embracing new technologies and have an eye to new trends. This again could describe madonna, but i still wouldnt apply the term musical innovator to her. She is a pop artist and the two do not go hand in hand.

However what i would say is when you compare her to her contempories she is unique. MJ, Britney, Mariah, Janet, all used the most obvious producers for their last records. They are, in a word, predictable. Madonna on the other hand has used producers that have very little commercial success to their names when she enlistes them (and if they do its limited to the club scene), from Steve Bray to Shep Pettibone to William Orbit to Mirwais to Stuart Price. It is not actually the music she makes with these guys that makes her innovative, but it is the act of hand picking them to take her music in a specific direction that to my mind is somewhat innovative (albeit rather calculating also). Most of these guys are simply remixers who she has turned into producers,
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Reply #45 posted 08/12/05 11:42am

GangstaFam

VoicesCarry said:

The album also needed better artwork. That cover was pure trash, and Madonna knew it, too. Apparently she was really upset with the photographer, Craig McDean.

I like the cover of AL a lot. shrug
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Reply #46 posted 08/12/05 12:42pm

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GangstaFam said:

ehuffnsd said:

No one expected Music, the single. everyone thought her time had passed.

confuse

How did they explain Frozen, Ray of Light and Power of Goodbye all becoming Top 10 hits then?




they all were before Music.


also since Beautfil Stranger didn't crack the top ten because of no commerical single people thought Madonna's time at the top was over.

Than she did Music
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Reply #47 posted 08/12/05 12:46pm

VoicesCarry

ehuffnsd said:

GangstaFam said:


confuse

How did they explain Frozen, Ray of Light and Power of Goodbye all becoming Top 10 hits then?




they all were before Music.


also since Beautfil Stranger didn't crack the top ten because of no commerical single people thought Madonna's time at the top was over.

Than she did Music


What are you talking about? Ray Of Light was a huge hit, and Beautiful Stranger got quite a bit of airplay on its own. People were ready for her new record; I never heard any "she's over" statements, and certainly none that dismissed her potential because Beautiful Stranger didn't go top 10. She only took that sort of flack after Erotica.
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Reply #48 posted 08/12/05 1:08pm

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taken from the Mboards
MADONNA - HUNG UP
Written by Stuart Price and Madonna

I will never leave
I will never leave
I will never leave

I feel so strange here with you
I just don't know what to do
There's no scape, no
There's no scape from you

Now just listen
Let's lock that door
Let's dance
'Til we burn this dance floor

You got me hung up to your beat
I will never leave
You keep me tied up to your tricks
I will never leave
I'm hung up
I'm hung up
I will never leave
I'm hung up

I don't wanna be with you
I just wanna leave this room
But there's no scape
There's no scape from you

Now just listen
Let's lock that door
Let's dance
'Til we burn this dance floor

You got me hung up to your beat
I will never leave
You keep me tied up to your tricks
I will never leave
I'm hung up
I'm hung up
I will never leave
I'm hung up

I'm just hung up to you
There's no scape from you

You got me hung up to your beat
I will never leave
You keep me tied up to your tricks
I will never leave
I'm hung up
I'm hung up
I will never leave
I'm hung up

I will never leave
I will never leave
I will never leave

I will never leave
I will never leave
I will never leave
You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
authentic power is service- Pope Francis
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Reply #49 posted 08/12/05 1:10pm

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from Rolling Stone.

Madonna is returning to her roots with the club-friendly Confessions on a Dancefloor, due November 15th. For her tenth studio album, the follow-up to 2003's American Life, the pop legend worked closely with British producer Stuart Price (a.k.a. DJ Jacques Lu Cont) at his London apartment.

Price met Madonna later in her career, playing keyboards on her last two tours -- "I was a bit too young to be a fan in the Eighties," he says, laughing. She approached him after last year's Re-Invention Tour, when she began work on a music-driven screenplay, bringing him onboard to create a sound she called "future disco." The idea for Confessions came from those sessions.

"We live real near each other in London, and we could just send ideas back and forth and get together and work on stuff," Price says. "The creative process was very short. There were a couple of weeks in London at my studio where we were doing a song every day."

At night, the producer would test out the tracks during his club gigs. "Whenever I was DJ'ing, I'd take dub or instrumental versions out with me," Price says. "I had my camera with me, and the next day I'd tell Madonna, 'This is what a thousand people in Liverpool looked like last night dancing to our song.' You can work on a song for twelve hours, but I guarantee you'll know within the first ten seconds of putting it on at a club whether it works or not. So these songs were tested on unwitting subjects throughout Europe."

But Price insists that he and Madonna did not blindly trust the club scene, wanting to create something more lasting. "There's a bit of a danger with dance music that you can create something that's cool but doesn't have much substance to it," he admits. "Every few months, a club record comes along that hits a nerve with people, and they connect to it. They don't know why, but there is something magical in it. That's what we were trying to make."

The first single is the uptempo synth-disco jam "Hung Up," which Price calls "a big feel-good song. You put it on and you want to get in your car, turn it up and drive around smiling."
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Reply #50 posted 08/12/05 1:15pm

OdysseyMiles

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Hopefully she makes art that makes her happy. Who cares what anyone thinks, especially at this point in her career.
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Reply #51 posted 08/12/05 2:41pm

GangstaFam

VoicesCarry said:

She only took that sort of flack after Erotica.

And now.
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Reply #52 posted 08/12/05 4:08pm

TonyVanDam

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endorphin74 said:

TonyVanDam said:



If Madonna could ever start acting her age and be a mature adult like Cher (but better due to having an icon status), then (and ONLY THEN) will this new album be a commercial sucess. neutral


falloff

Wasn't it just a week or 2 ago that we saw Madonna's latest photo spread and everyone was complaining about how she was less exciting now that she's grown up.


I wasn't one of those people! neutral
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Reply #53 posted 08/12/05 5:18pm

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[Edited 8/12/05 17:20pm]
You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
authentic power is service- Pope Francis
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Reply #54 posted 08/12/05 8:40pm

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ehuffnsd said:


[Edited 8/12/05 17:20pm]

I thought you were a fan? why would you post those pictures? why have you turned on Madonna?
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Reply #55 posted 08/12/05 8:48pm

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This is Madonna we're talking about here. They (WB) have almost always promoted the dog shit out of her and I don't expect anything different this time out. So to answer the question, yes it'll be a success unless the world has changed that much which I doubt.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #56 posted 08/12/05 9:06pm

VoicesCarry

twink69 said:

ehuffnsd said:


[Edited 8/12/05 17:20pm]

I thought you were a fan? why would you post those pictures? why have you turned on Madonna?


That's Madonna? I thought it was Carrot Top in a trucker's hat.
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Reply #57 posted 08/12/05 9:16pm

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VoicesCarry said:

That's Madonna? I thought it was Carrot Top in a trucker's hat.

ouch.
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Reply #58 posted 08/12/05 9:22pm

hellomoto

twink69 said:

I thought you were a fan? why would you post those pictures? why have you turned on Madonna?


i think he was just showing the pictures because she changed her hair colour, not because he was making fun of her
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Reply #59 posted 08/12/05 10:11pm

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ehuffnsd said:




Estelle Getty looking good for her age.
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