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Rap music came from country music??? Tonight I had the strangest conversation with an Orger who was convinced that rap music has its' origins in the country music genre.
This particular Orger was so passionate in his belief that he turned to insults and threats in order to make his point... But anyway, am I alone in thinking that this is a ludicrous theory, totally unfounded? And, is there any chance that this thread will stay in the general conversation part of the Org? Breddie. | |
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BreddieMercury said: Tonight I had the strangest conversation with an Orger who was convinced that rap music has its' origins in the country music genre.
This particular Orger was so passionate in his belief that he turned to insults and threats in order to make his point... But anyway, am I alone in thinking that this is a ludicrous theory, totally unfounded? And, is there any chance that this thread will stay in the general conversation part of the Org? Breddie. well what exactly did he say "Americans consume the most fast food than any nation on Earth and the stupid motherfuckers wonder why they are so fat? " - Oprah Winfrey | |
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Xavier23 said: BreddieMercury said: Tonight I had the strangest conversation with an Orger who was convinced that rap music has its' origins in the country music genre.
This particular Orger was so passionate in his belief that he turned to insults and threats in order to make his point... But anyway, am I alone in thinking that this is a ludicrous theory, totally unfounded? And, is there any chance that this thread will stay in the general conversation part of the Org? Breddie. well what exactly did he say Well,it was kind of rambling, but I think the central argument was that because some country stars like Johnny Cash talked over the top of the music on some songs, they invented rap. I suggested that he needed to make the distinction between rap as a style of vocal delivery and rap the cultural phenomenon. It's a very awkward debate because of course there's a racial or ethnic subtext to all of this. Now, my understanding is that black preachers would harness the power of music by having playing in the background while they sermonised. This in turn has links to the Negro spiritual. I'm not incredibly up on this, but that's what I've heard, and it makes sense to me. I just can't see how it can be claimed that just because an artist talked over his music, he is automatically the invented rap. Any ideas? | |
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BreddieMercury said: Xavier23 said: well what exactly did he say Well,it was kind of rambling, but I think the central argument was that because some country stars like Johnny Cash talked over the top of the music on some songs, they invented rap. I suggested that he needed to make the distinction between rap as a style of vocal delivery and rap the cultural phenomenon. It's a very awkward debate because of course there's a racial or ethnic subtext to all of this. Now, my understanding is that black preachers would harness the power of music by having playing in the background while they sermonised. This in turn has links to the Negro spiritual. I'm not incredibly up on this, but that's what I've heard, and it makes sense to me. I just can't see how it can be claimed that just because an artist talked over his music, he is automatically the invented rap. Any ideas? Anyone that thinks that rap came from country is a jackass. The African story tellers would tell stories over drum beats with rhythmic cadence...LONG before Johnny Cash was talkin' about a "Boy Named Sue"... |
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That sounds about right.. they probably think that rap came from Prince. | |
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PAPAROBBIE said: BreddieMercury said: Well,it was kind of rambling, but I think the central argument was that because some country stars like Johnny Cash talked over the top of the music on some songs, they invented rap. I suggested that he needed to make the distinction between rap as a style of vocal delivery and rap the cultural phenomenon. It's a very awkward debate because of course there's a racial or ethnic subtext to all of this. Now, my understanding is that black preachers would harness the power of music by having playing in the background while they sermonised. This in turn has links to the Negro spiritual. I'm not incredibly up on this, but that's what I've heard, and it makes sense to me. I just can't see how it can be claimed that just because an artist talked over his music, he is automatically the invented rap. I'm with you on that. Because I believe it to be true, and also you appear to be quite learned, and if I stand next to you, some of it might rub off. Any ideas? Anyone that thinks that rap came from country is a jackass. The African story tellers would tell stories over drum beats with rhythmic cadence...LONG before Johnny Cash was talkin' about a "Boy Named Sue"... | |
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BreddieMercury said: This particular Orger was so passionate in his belief that he turned to insults and threats in order to make his point... .  Thats the usual speed of the one's who are so full of bullshit its overflowing their vision, and they cant see past their own crack ass beleifs, nor do they try to open up and actually see different views of the world.
go check the D'- Voodoo thread.. you'll see a few in those posts who are absolutely consumed in their own theories that NO'ONE ELSE is right, and its totally absurd to think so. Its a very laughable thing to watch/read.  [Edited 8/13/05 23:48pm] | |
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in a word?... NO | |
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actually Rap is more closely related to the chanting that early Jamaican DJ's used to do on their sound systems...which became Dancehall Reggae. Shot out to Kool Herc. I am not African. Africa is in me, but I cannot return.
I am not taína. Taíno is in me, but there is no way back. I am not european. Europe lives in me, but I have no home there. I am new. History made me. My first language was spanglish. And I am | |
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BreddieMercury said:
Well,it was kind of rambling, but I think the central argument was that because some country stars like Johnny Cash talked over the top of the music on some songs, they invented rap. Whoever is arguing with you probably doesn't know or is confused about what rap really is today. In the 1970s, many R&B songs broke down and had a part in the song where the artist talked. Millie Jackson is famous for this. The spoken parts didn't rhyme, they were just the artist talking over an extended breakdown with the music lowered a little. These parts of the songs, back then, were called the "rap". Rap, as we know it today, is totally different from what a "rap" was back then. Whoever is arguing with you, may have recently heard about the "raps" from the R&B in the 1970s and then may have heard a country song from an earlier period with the artist talking over the music. That might explain this person's confusion. That's the only reason I can think of why this person would be so insistent on his/her theory. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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boriquateddy said: actually Rap is more closely related to the chanting that early Jamaican DJ's used to do on their sound systems...which became Dancehall Reggae. Shot out to Kool Herc.
 , this is definitely where the roots of hip-hop come from. This jamaican semi-spoken singing style was called "toasting" | |
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PAPAROBBIE said: BreddieMercury said: Well,it was kind of rambling, but I think the central argument was that because some country stars like Johnny Cash talked over the top of the music on some songs, they invented rap. I suggested that he needed to make the distinction between rap as a style of vocal delivery and rap the cultural phenomenon. It's a very awkward debate because of course there's a racial or ethnic subtext to all of this. Now, my understanding is that black preachers would harness the power of music by having playing in the background while they sermonised. This in turn has links to the Negro spiritual. I'm not incredibly up on this, but that's what I've heard, and it makes sense to me. I just can't see how it can be claimed that just because an artist talked over his music, he is automatically the invented rap. Any ideas? Anyone that thinks that rap came from country is a jackass. The African story tellers would tell stories over drum beats with rhythmic cadence...LONG before Johnny Cash was talkin' about a "Boy Named Sue"... and country music came from the Blues and blues came from slaves singing old negro sprituals-- some one needs to do some more research--- so even if that statement were true what is the point exactly?![Edited 8/15/05 8:56am] | |
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