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Printablejw1914 said: Hey Vainandy, you want the tempo to pick up a bit?
Listen to 24-7 Spyz's "Gumbo Millennium" CD, track#11 titled "Racism" Is that 'up tempo' enough? I've never heard of that group or that song? What genre is it? I like uptempo jams but there is such a thing as too fast. I was fine with house music but when it started turning to techno and acid house, the only things that could dance to that would be rabbits on speed.  Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Those are all fine and well but they are too slow except for an occasional funk jam from Toni Tony Tone. They can bring back real singers and musicians all they want but until they bring back some uptempo funk, I will continue to bitch. Even before hip hop took over, I was bitching because balladeers had taken over. Hell, it was like we were going backwards to the days of classical music. The flooding of the airwaves by balladeers is what left the doors open for hip hop to take over in the first place. There was nothing rebellious anymore. It was all music that your grandmother would have been happy with. Real music ain't the only thing that needs to come back, uptempo jams need to come back because they have been gone too long. I'm not old enough for a retirement home yet and I don't want all the music to be at retirement home tempo. . . [Edited 8/16/05 6:11am] Ha, ha, vain. We've been here before (and I feel u as Iam that way too). I love anything uptempo, if its cheesy or funky, i dont care. As long as its got crazy computer drum programming (which ya'll hate), then Iam in heaven. Which is why I love late 80's-early 90's pop. If its either the newjack of guy or the funky, prince like pop of Paula abdul, its all good as i can dance fast to it. Neo soul fucked rnb up pure and simple. Rnb had to be cool and got wayyyyy too image concious. Mint conditions first album had some furious uptempos. But then then they gave up on them. Same with r kelly, same with jodeci. U should all know newjack was the last true new genre or sub genre of rnb. God how I wish clubs would play newjack. At least u old schoolers can go to clubs and here ur 70's shit. I want my newjack  | |
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DavidEye said: chuckaducci said: The demise of R&B cant simply be placed upon drum machines (Van Hunt used drum machines extensively throughout his debut lp), or egomania. Technology and prima donnas are two mainstays in the arts that can be traced back to the classical age.
The demise of R&B is easily traced to the lack of songwriting and musicianship. No longer do musicians or studio rats devote their energies towards studying theory or music; instead, "musicians", particulary those musicians found in R&B and hip-hop, opt for learning a few chords, obtaining an extensive knowledge of crafting beats and voila.....they're instantly capable of making music. This is why popular R&B and hip hop stylings all sound the same; stale, boring and repetitive. Cats making R&B and hip hop could benefit from learning some new chords, study some theory, learning how to play new instruments and stop trying to emulate each other. The same can be said for most other pop music but because R&B and hip hop is so popular, it's easily held accountable. I'm sure my take is not the only reason but it's definitely one of them and it's definitely not the size of egos and drum machines. 
Another problem is...many R&B artists all work with the same producers.Nobody takes a chance with an edgy,unknown producer.They simply call up Kanye West,The Neptunes,R.Kelly,P.Diddy,Jermaine Dupri,Jam and Lewis and whomever else is "hot" at the moment.That's why most of what you hear on the radio all sounds alike. Ditto to all i have suggestions for two great recent R&B albums Erice Benet - Hurricane. 3 1/2 stars Raheem Devaughn - The Love Experience. 3 1/4 stars (out of 4) R&B is alive and but it damn sho' ain't well. 1 over Jordan...the greatest since | |
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Not just the teenagers, have you been at a club that 20ish brothers and sisters go to? They are all trying so hard to maintain their "coolness" that nobady wants to break a sweat anymore, dancing is just a means to get the digits. | |
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vainandy said: I've never heard of that group or that song? What genre is it? I like uptempo jams but there is such a thing as too fast. I was fine with house music but when it started turning to techno and acid house, the only things that could dance to that would be rabbits on speed. Let's just say that a humming bird will have a had time keeping up to this beat. | |
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missfee said: to me, as long as bands/artists like:
D'angelo Mint Condition Anthony Hamilton Jill Scott Vivian Green Erykah Badu Raphael Saadiq Toni tony tone (yeah if they get back together, keep your fingers crossed) Lalah Hathaway ..still continue to make records and perform..despite the often shun from the industry, then R&B will continue to survive.  Problem is, they dont "sound" that different from the commerical shit. Its still the same tempo. | |
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vainandy said: laurarichardson said:
What is killing RnB is the lack of it in the first place. You have too many rappers and not enough singers or bands and the drum machine seemed to serve Prince pretty well back in the day. Prince's drum machine, back in the day, beat hard, strong, and powerful. Drum machines today don't even sound the same. They just barely tap and sound very weak. U need some guy 
I LOVE loud ass snare drums that blow up ur speakers. Lots of treble, lost of base. | |
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thesexofit said:
Ha, ha, vain. We've been here before (and I feel u as Iam that way too). I love anything uptempo, if its cheesy or funky, i dont care. As long as its got crazy computer drum programming (which ya'll hate), then Iam in heaven. Which is why I love late 80's-early 90's pop. If its either the newjack of guy or the funky, prince like pop of Paula abdul, its all good as i can dance fast to it. The two of us are very alike. We both love good time "party" music but we each prefer different eras of it. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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jw1914 said: Not just the teenagers, have you been at a club that 20ish brothers and sisters go to? They are all trying so hard to maintain their "coolness" that nobady wants to break a sweat anymore, dancing is just a means to get the digits. I used to go to clubs and the main thing on my mind was partying and having a good time. If I got lucky....fine, if I didn't get lucky....fine. Nowadays, the only reason I go to clubs is to get lucky because there is nothing "entertaining" about them anymore. These days, if I don't see anyone that catches my eye, I leave after about 30 minutes. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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jw1914 said: vainandy said: I've never heard of that group or that song? What genre is it? I like uptempo jams but there is such a thing as too fast. I was fine with house music but when it started turning to techno and acid house, the only things that could dance to that would be rabbits on speed. Let's just say that a humming bird will have a had time keeping up to this beat. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: thesexofit said:
Ha, ha, vain. We've been here before (and I feel u as Iam that way too). I love anything uptempo, if its cheesy or funky, i dont care. As long as its got crazy computer drum programming (which ya'll hate), then Iam in heaven. Which is why I love late 80's-early 90's pop. If its either the newjack of guy or the funky, prince like pop of Paula abdul, its all good as i can dance fast to it. The two of us are very alike. We both love good time "party" music but we each prefer different eras of it.  We have one song in common. "good vibrations" by marky mark. Iam very house lite (iam a c and c fan) so I love those house pop cuts back in the early 90's. | |
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vainandy said: I've never heard of that group or that song? What genre is it? I like uptempo jams but there is such a thing as too fast. I was fine with house music but when it started turning to techno and acid house, the only things that could dance to that would be rabbits on speed. 24-7 Spyz is an all black rock band much like Living Colour except with a much heavier dose of funk. Like if Funkadelic and Metalica were to join forces. Check them out, they have a website. I'll come back with it. | |
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jw1914 said: vainandy said: I've never heard of that group or that song? What genre is it? I like uptempo jams but there is such a thing as too fast. I was fine with house music but when it started turning to techno and acid house, the only things that could dance to that would be rabbits on speed. 24-7 Spyz is an all black rock band much like Living Colour except with a much heavier dose of funk. Like if Funkadelic and Metalica were to join forces. Check them out, they have a website. I'll come back with it. Spyz website is; www.24-7spyz.com | |
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thesexofit said: vainandy said: The two of us are very alike. We both love good time "party" music but we each prefer different eras of it. We have one song in common. "good vibrations" by marky mark. Iam very house lite (iam a c and c fan) so I love those house pop cuts back in the early 90's.I was very much into the house era of the late 1980s and early 1990s. Disco was my first love and house music sounded like a modern reincarnation of it. 1979 was a great year for music and 1989 reminded me of it a little (a dance explosion ending the decade). Too bad it didn't happen again in 1999. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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jw1914 said: jw1914 said: 24-7 Spyz is an all black rock band much like Living Colour except with a much heavier dose of funk. Like if Funkadelic and Metalica were to join forces. Check them out, they have a website. I'll come back with it. Spyz website is; www.24-7spyz.com Thanks. I'll check it out. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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 "Americans consume the most fast food than any nation on Earth and the stupid motherfuckers wonder why they are so fat? " - Oprah Winfrey | |
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BlaqueKnight said: missfee said: to me, as long as bands/artists like:
D'angelo Mint Condition Anthony Hamilton Jill Scott Vivian Green Erykah Badu Raphael Saadiq Toni tony tone (yeah if they get back together, keep your fingers crossed) Lalah Hathaway ..still continue to make records and perform..despite the often shun from the industry, then R&B will continue to survive. R&B isn't going anywhere. People just have to learn to create a scene outside of what radio throws out there. Clear Channel isn't trying to push progressive black radio. They want to create drones who will go buy the products their advertisers push in between songs so they can keep making money. R&B support is left up to R&B lovers. We have to GO TO THE SHOWS! That's more important than buying the records. That keeps the artists in business. [Edited 8/15/05 16:24pm] I take it that BK is refering to a scene outside of radio for those artist who do not or no longer have a major recording contract. Cause those artist that do have a recording contract, well their concerts are very well likely to be promoted by Clear Channell Communications as much as their recordings.So for the artist with the major record contract, it doesn't matter if you buy the CD or attend the concert, CCC will get their large piece of the pie. | |
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Clear Channell Communication is to the music industry what Don King was to the boxing industry. A controlling pimp! CCC is the major factor to look at when discussing the quality of today's music. | |
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jw1914 said: BlaqueKnight said: R&B isn't going anywhere. People just have to learn to create a scene outside of what radio throws out there. Clear Channel isn't trying to push progressive black radio. They want to create drones who will go buy the products their advertisers push in between songs so they can keep making money. R&B support is left up to R&B lovers. We have to GO TO THE SHOWS! That's more important than buying the records. That keeps the artists in business. [Edited 8/15/05 16:24pm] I take it that BK is refering to a scene outside of radio for those artist who do not or no longer have a major recording contract. Cause those artist that do have a recording contract, well their concerts are very well likely to be promoted by Clear Channell Communications as much as their recordings.So for the artist with the major record contract, it doesn't matter if you buy the CD or attend the concert, CCC will get their large piece of the pie. Clear Channel is really fucking things up. Not only are they trying to dominate the airwaves, they have gotten into promoting concerts. Now, they have started buying musical venues such as auditoriums, theaters, and clubs. They are trying to control every aspect of music and totally keep out any outsiders from making a name for themselves. We'll be stuck in this rut forever if something is not done about them. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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jw1914 said: Clear Channell Communication is to the music industry what Don King was to the boxing industry. A controlling pimp! CCC is the major factor to look at when discussing the quality of today's music. Damn right! I'd like to bitch slap the taste out of their mouths. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Imagine this if you will, the NBA, Nike, Reebok, Sprite are all promoting Allen Iverson because of his dribbling "cross over" skills, yet Allen has yet to score a single point in his famous career.
Missing the point one would say, wouldn't you agree? Well that is the state of music promotion, missing the point! But unlike the NBA fans, the fans of todays music don't get the point nor do they care to get the point, they only want eye candy. | |
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vainandy said: Those are all fine and well but they are too slow except for an occasional funk jam from Toni Tony Tone. They can bring back real singers and musicians all they want but until they bring back some uptempo funk, I will continue to bitch. [Edited 8/16/05 6:11am] I hear you Vainandy. Neo-Soul is too slow for primetime! | |
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vainandy said: Damn right! Computers are not the reason today's teenagers are more obese than ever before. It's their music! It's too damn slow to shake the fat off their asses. You should make THIS quote as a funky trademark. It's classic! | |
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TonyVanDam said: vainandy said: Damn right! Computers are not the reason today's teenagers are more obese than ever before. It's their music! It's too damn slow to shake the fat off their asses. You should make THIS quote as a funky trademark. It's classic! I slip a good one in every now and then.  Andy is a four letter word. | |
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thesexofit said: missfee said: to me, as long as bands/artists like:
D'angelo Mint Condition Anthony Hamilton Jill Scott Vivian Green Erykah Badu Raphael Saadiq Toni tony tone (yeah if they get back together, keep your fingers crossed) Lalah Hathaway ..still continue to make records and perform..despite the often shun from the industry, then R&B will continue to survive. Problem is, they dont "sound" that different from the commerical shit. Its still the same tempo. i disagree. i don't think Ashanti's music is the same as Erykah Badu's or Jill Scott's. [Edited 8/16/05 18:18pm] I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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Rhondab said: ok..but who is going to kill the rap star.....
I'll pay ya! 
Please notice...I didn't say HIP HOP star...some of them I wanna keep. OKAY, THAT'S IT! Rhondab is officialy my hero for the day !!!
All you need to do is just revisit Steve Harvey's bit in "Kings of Comedy", where he talks about "STANK ASS RAPPERS" and compares it to old skool R&B to know where some of us (grown folks) are coming from! | |
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laurarichardson said: DavidEye said: These days,if you're an R&B artist,you damn near have to make your album sound just like a hip-hop album in order to be played on the radio and sell records...you gotta use lots of samples,have guest rappers on every other track,etc.That's why I dislike so much of today's R&B.
----- Co-Sign. Rap pretty much destroyed RnB music. It is really sad that whole generation is never going to be exposed to RnB music. But you know what? That's why this generation has people like US! We might not be able to reach every kid out there (and we not not even want to with bad assed kids being what they are, LOL!!!), but we can at least start with one kid or two, either as uncles or aunties or godparents or with kids that we have of our own: You all might think I'm nuts, but when there is an impending stork arrival for all my loved ones, I actually gift them with an R&B cd compilation of what I call "Baby Songs"...the result often ends up with babies singing (just think of the 1st four bars of Amel Larrieux's song "FOR REAL" on the cd "BRAVEBIRD" where her baby sings the intro) and I trip out! Believe it or not, we can get a whole army of babies singing Stevie's "Isn't She Lovely" by the time they're 3....even if all they can manage to sing is.."...i---she wuuu-weeeee..." ...but we have to get today's frazzled mom to have the music playing...and sung...at the breakfast table, during the daily bath...and just maybe...us leftover guards from the old skool r&b era might have a chance at preserving the legacy, lol! | |
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jw1914 said: Hey BK, in that song by Beyonce "You're my Girl"(I think that's what the title is) what musical scale is she ad-libbing in? She is just randomly scatting, no melody what so ever. Try and hum her vocal lines, you will not find any melody. You do know what is melody right?
humming is one thing, but try to play it out, or ask one of your musician friends to do it for you. even better, if you don't have sheet music available that shows the ad-libbing, if the vocal parts can be played out on your mac (through your logic or pro tools program) you will, if you don't have the ability to play by so well by ear as a musician, once you have the sheet music printed very clearly see how she's playing her voice as an instrument, and what at first appears to not be a logical progression of notes (from the first listen), will totally make sense once you read the sheet music in front of you... and, i just have to say that, as the daughter of a man who always worked hard to preserve an appreciation for jazz within his family (having been trained and grown up under the tultilage of historic jazz and blues pioneer WC Handy)...please do not think that SCATTING IS RANDOM. THIS IS A MYTH. it takes precision and an intense musical understanding to be able to use your voice to solo as an instrument: think Coltrane, and you'll get it, revist Ella, and you've definitely got it...otherwise, i dunno.... | |
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Ottensen said: if the vocal parts can be played out on your mac (through your logic or pro tools program) ...
Why a Mac? And wouldn't n-Track do just fine instead of Pro Tools or Logic? | |
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DavidEye said: vainandy said: Damn right! Computers are not the reason today's teenagers are more obese than ever before. It's their music! It's too damn slow to shake the fat off their asses.  OKAY! Is that or is thaT NOT the quote of the day from an old skool rebel?!?!? | |
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