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PrintableBlaqueKnight said: Personally, I don't give a damn about where Beyonce's career will be in a few years. I know she can sing, other people reading this thread know that she can sing and millions of fans who have liked her since the beginning of her DC days think that she can sing. The live version of "Dangerously In Love" shows that when she's not playing pop diva and actually settles down and sings - she's damn good. Your little opinion of the measure of her talent isn't holding water. You're just not hearing the type of singing YOU want to hear. Can't help ya there.
Try Lizz Wright, Jaguar Wright, Conya Doss,...you know what. f*ck it. I'm not gonna list a bunch of singers. Look for them yourself. They're out there. Peace. Hold up BK Baby, I wasn't dogging her. You've known me better than that. I've always supported her. So, I hope you weren't directed that towards your girl Legs by misteak. As for her being with DC, I think it was best that she left the group b/c she has the strongest vocals. As for the rest of vocalist you mentioned, I am hip to them. I like what they do and I wouldn't kick another sister for doing a thing that I am doing. I am also a vocalist working on a CD so I give sisters props for doing their thing. | |
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jw1914 said: No 'hiphop' didn't kill the r&b star, the recording industry did, and we let them. See, major record labels found a way to gain more control over the music industry by diverting the music public attention from listening to music to viewing music (ala MTV videos). Why? Because if they can promote and sell an artist because of what the artist looks like than stars can be manufactured as opposed to discovered. Beautiful sexy women, and gangster thugs are a dime a minute, future truly talented artist like Stevie Wonder and Aretha Franklin are hard to find. We the public fell victim to this ploy when we accepted music videos. Do you honestly think Beyonce can sing or that P Diddy has musical talent? Hell no! Let's put the blame where it should rest. If the public didn't swallow the bate, hook, line and sinker, the music industry would have been forced to go out and discover talent as opposed to manufacturing pop stars.
You're right for the most part. However, you're short-changing Beyonce. She's a talented performer. The same thing that worked for Tina Turner before the video age would work for Beyonce. She isn't the best singer out there but she's much better than Janet, Madonna, Britney, etc. and she can put on a show. I'm not a big fan of hers but it's evident she has some talent. Other than that you're spot on. |
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whodknee said: jw1914 said: No 'hiphop' didn't kill the r&b star, the recording industry did, and we let them. See, major record labels found a way to gain more control over the music industry by diverting the music public attention from listening to music to viewing music (ala MTV videos). Why? Because if they can promote and sell an artist because of what the artist looks like than stars can be manufactured as opposed to discovered. Beautiful sexy women, and gangster thugs are a dime a minute, future truly talented artist like Stevie Wonder and Aretha Franklin are hard to find. We the public fell victim to this ploy when we accepted music videos. Do you honestly think Beyonce can sing or that P Diddy has musical talent? Hell no! Let's put the blame where it should rest. If the public didn't swallow the bate, hook, line and sinker, the music industry would have been forced to go out and discover talent as opposed to manufacturing pop stars.
You're right for the most part. However, you're short-changing Beyonce. She's a talented performer. The same thing that worked for Tina Turner before the video age would work for Beyonce. She isn't the best singer out there but she's much better than Janet, Madonna, Britney, etc. and she can put on a show. I'm not a big fan of hers but it's evident she has some talent. Other than that you're spot on.  | |
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Hotlegs said: Hold up BK Baby, I wasn't dogging her. You've known me better than that. I've always supported her. So, I hope you weren't directed that towards your girl Legs by misteak. As for her being with DC, I think it was best that she left the group b/c she has the strongest vocals. As for the rest of vocalist you mentioned, I am hip to them. I like what they do and I wouldn't kick another sister for doing a thing that I am doing. I am also a vocalist working on a CD so I give sisters props for doing their thing. Naw, girl. We were posting at the same time. JW1914 is on some Beyonce hater nonsense. I was just responding. We're good. I was just saying its one thing to not like somebody's work, but that's no reason to discredit their talent. Dude thinks Bey can't sing. Can't sing is Fiddy Cent - trying to sing all the hooks on all his songs like he's Luther or someone. Can't sing is Lumidee with that awful vocal style of hers. "I'll Never leave You" hrmp! She wouldn't have to. I'd leave her for sounding like that. I could smack the stuffing out of her with the key of a song and she still wouldn't recognize it. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Hotlegs said: Hold up BK Baby, I wasn't dogging her. You've known me better than that. I've always supported her. So, I hope you weren't directed that towards your girl Legs by misteak. As for her being with DC, I think it was best that she left the group b/c she has the strongest vocals. As for the rest of vocalist you mentioned, I am hip to them. I like what they do and I wouldn't kick another sister for doing a thing that I am doing. I am also a vocalist working on a CD so I give sisters props for doing their thing. Naw, girl. We were posting at the same time. JW1914 is on some Beyonce hater nonsense. I was just responding. We're good. I was just saying its one thing to not like somebody's work, but that's no reason to discredit their talent. Dude thinks Bey can't sing. Can't sing is Fiddy Cent - trying to sing all the hooks on all his songs like he's Luther or someone. Can't sing is Lumidee with that awful vocal style of hers. "I'll Never leave You" hrmp! She wouldn't have to. I'd leave her for sounding like that. I could smack the stuffing out of her with the key of a song and she still wouldn't recognize it.  Ok BK Baby, I was wondering what up. I'm glad you're checking JW.  | |
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to me, as long as bands/artists like:
D'angelo Mint Condition Anthony Hamilton Jill Scott Vivian Green Erykah Badu Raphael Saadiq Toni tony tone (yeah if they get back together, keep your fingers crossed) Lalah Hathaway ..still continue to make records and perform..despite the often shun from the industry, then R&B will continue to survive.  I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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missfee said: to me, as long as bands/artists like:
D'angelo Mint Condition Anthony Hamilton Jill Scott Vivian Green Erykah Badu Raphael Saadiq Toni tony tone (yeah if they get back together, keep your fingers crossed) Lalah Hathaway ..still continue to make records and perform..despite the often shun from the industry, then R&B will continue to survive. R&B isn't going anywhere. People just have to learn to create a scene outside of what radio throws out there. Clear Channel isn't trying to push progressive black radio. They want to create drones who will go buy the products their advertisers push in between songs so they can keep making money. R&B support is left up to R&B lovers. We have to GO TO THE SHOWS! That's more important than buying the records. That keeps the artists in business. [Edited 8/15/05 16:24pm] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: missfee said: to me, as long as bands/artists like:
D'angelo Mint Condition Anthony Hamilton Jill Scott Vivian Green Erykah Badu Raphael Saadiq Toni tony tone (yeah if they get back together, keep your fingers crossed) Lalah Hathaway ..still continue to make records and perform..despite the often shun from the industry, then R&B will continue to survive. R&B isn't going anywhere. People just have to learn to create a scene outside of what radio throws out there. Clear Channel isn't trying to push progressive black radio. They want to create drones who will go buy the products their advertisers push in between songs so they can keep making money. R&B support is left up to R&B lovers. We have to GO TO THE SHOWS! That's more important than buying the records. That keeps the artists in business. [Edited 8/15/05 16:24pm] gosh, you're a genius...  I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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missfee said: BlaqueKnight said: R&B isn't going anywhere. People just have to learn to create a scene outside of what radio throws out there. Clear Channel isn't trying to push progressive black radio. They want to create drones who will go buy the products their advertisers push in between songs so they can keep making money. R&B support is left up to R&B lovers. We have to GO TO THE SHOWS! That's more important than buying the records. That keeps the artists in business. [Edited 8/15/05 16:24pm] gosh, you're a genius... That's why Legs has to give it up for my cat BK Baby b/c he speaks the truth. | |
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jw1914 said: No 'hiphop' didn't kill the r&b star, the recording industry did, and we let them. See, major record labels found a way to gain more control over the music industry by diverting the music public attention from listening to music to viewing music (ala MTV videos). Why? Because if they can promote and sell an artist because of what the artist looks like than stars can be manufactured as opposed to discovered. Beautiful sexy women, and gangster thugs are a dime a minute, future truly talented artist like Stevie Wonder and Aretha Franklin are hard to find. We the public fell victim to this ploy when we accepted music videos. Do you honestly think Beyonce can sing or that P Diddy has musical talent? Hell no! Let's put the blame where it should rest. If the public didn't swallow the bate, hook, line and sinker, the music industry would have been forced to go out and discover talent as opposed to manufacturing pop stars.
I agree 100% that the recording industry did destroy R&B, and they even destroyed hip hop too, so hiphop aint to blame. But I disagree about Beyonce cause she can sing - I dont hear nothing wrong with her voice, but maybe y'all just dont like her singles. | |
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whodknee said: jw1914 said: No 'hiphop' didn't kill the r&b star, the recording industry did, and we let them. See, major record labels found a way to gain more control over the music industry by diverting the music public attention from listening to music to viewing music (ala MTV videos). Why? Because if they can promote and sell an artist because of what the artist looks like than stars can be manufactured as opposed to discovered. Beautiful sexy women, and gangster thugs are a dime a minute, future truly talented artist like Stevie Wonder and Aretha Franklin are hard to find. We the public fell victim to this ploy when we accepted music videos. Do you honestly think Beyonce can sing or that P Diddy has musical talent? Hell no! Let's put the blame where it should rest. If the public didn't swallow the bate, hook, line and sinker, the music industry would have been forced to go out and discover talent as opposed to manufacturing pop stars.
You're right for the most part. However, you're short-changing Beyonce. She's a talented performer. The same thing that worked for Tina Turner before the video age would work for Beyonce. She isn't the best singer out there but she's much better than Janet, Madonna, Britney, etc. and she can put on a show. I'm not a big fan of hers but it's evident she has some talent. Other than that you're spot on. Co-sign. | |
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WildheartXXX said: R&B is doing a good job killing itself. Too many producers, too many egos and the worst thing of all. Ba Bmm Bmm Ki - the drum machine which today is the evil handmaiden of modern R&B. Everything is backed by that familiar godawful faux drum sound so it all sounds the same and boy does it date quickly. Just one listen to Emancipation shows you this. R&B used to be called soul but the total overuse of drum programming removed most of the soul. Van Hunt is a shining light in todays scene though. His debut made me care again.
dont forget about the neglect of the BASSLINE, which is either missing or buried so deep in the mix. also, most singers ar doing that sing-songy-talking cadence like bone-thugs-n-harmony used. little-to-no live instrumentation and forget about solos, everything is a hip-hop hybrid ] [Edited 8/15/05 17:51pm] | |
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You guys can hate on me but R.KELLY is a star who has made some great joints. [Edited 8/15/05 18:32pm] | |
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lilgish said: You guys can hate on me but R.KELLY is a star who has made some great joints.
[Edited 8/15/05 18:32pm] Oh yeah, he's made some great joints alright especially in the closet.  [Edited 8/15/05 18:34pm] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: missfee said: to me, as long as bands/artists like:
D'angelo Mint Condition Anthony Hamilton Jill Scott Vivian Green Erykah Badu Raphael Saadiq Toni tony tone (yeah if they get back together, keep your fingers crossed) Lalah Hathaway ..still continue to make records and perform..despite the often shun from the industry, then R&B will continue to survive. R&B isn't going anywhere. People just have to learn to create a scene outside of what radio throws out there. Clear Channel isn't trying to push progressive black radio. They want to create drones who will go buy the products their advertisers push in between songs so they can keep making money. R&B support is left up to R&B lovers. We have to GO TO THE SHOWS! That's more important than buying the records. That keeps the artists in business. [Edited 8/15/05 16:24pm] Great point!  We need more grass roots movements like the scenes in philly(the black lilly *rip*, jill scott, jaguar wright, lady alma, kindred, jazzyfatnastees), ATL (van hunt, donnie, india arie, seek, julie dexter), baltimore (fertile ground) and LA (The Rebirth)[Edited 8/15/05 18:36pm] | |
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Scrapluv said: BlaqueKnight said: R&B isn't going anywhere. People just have to learn to create a scene outside of what radio throws out there. Clear Channel isn't trying to push progressive black radio. They want to create drones who will go buy the products their advertisers push in between songs so they can keep making money. R&B support is left up to R&B lovers. We have to GO TO THE SHOWS! That's more important than buying the records. That keeps the artists in business. [Edited 8/15/05 16:24pm] Great point! We need more grass roots movements like the scenes in philly(the black lilly *rip*, jill scott, jaguar wright, lady alma, kindred, jazzyfatnastees), ATL (van hunt, donnie, india arie, seek, julie dexter), baltimore (fertile ground) and LA (The Rebirth)
[Edited 8/15/05 18:36pm] That's all very true, When ever people say "real" music is dead, they are just been lazy, if you want it you can find it! it may not be on the radio or mtv. "HIP HOP" is where it is because of all the support it got and gets from it's fans. | |
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vainandy said: Today's R&B is hip hop, whether it's rap or not. The singers are singing over that same tired, weak hip hop beat. I don't know why they still call the charts "The R&B Chart" because it needs to be called "The Hip Hop Chart". Hip-hop is R&B & Rock and Roll right now, in sound & lifestyle.  | |
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vainandy said: laurarichardson said:
What is killing RnB is the lack of it in the first place. You have too many rappers and not enough singers or bands and the drum machine seemed to serve Prince pretty well back in the day. Prince's drum machine, back in the day, beat hard, strong, and powerful. Drum machines today don't even sound the same. They just barely tap and sound very weak. Prince's drum machime: Linn LM-1  | |
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chuckaducci said: The demise of R&B cant simply be placed upon drum machines (Van Hunt used drum machines extensively throughout his debut lp), or egomania. Technology and prima donnas are two mainstays in the arts that can be traced back to the classical age.
The demise of R&B is easily traced to the lack of songwriting and musicianship. No longer do musicians or studio rats devote their energies towards studying theory or music; instead, "musicians", particulary those musicians found in R&B and hip-hop, opt for learning a few chords, obtaining an extensive knowledge of crafting beats and voila.....they're instantly capable of making music. This is why popular R&B and hip hop stylings all sound the same; stale, boring and repetitive. Cats making R&B and hip hop could benefit from learning some new chords, study some theory, learning how to play new instruments and stop trying to emulate each other. The same can be said for most other pop music but because R&B and hip hop is so popular, it's easily held accountable. THIS is EXACTLY what I been trying to tell a lot of people in other music-related forums. Music Theory DOES matter! Anyone without knowledge of scales (at least major, minor, & blues), are basically just making noises!!!! And you can quote me! | |
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lilgish said: You guys can hate on me but R.KELLY is a star who has made some great joints.
[Edited 8/15/05 18:32pm] R. Kelly's just about outta there. No one takes him seriously any more. They did WHAT??!.... 
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Music and film are the only forms of art that talent is defined lately by sales.Unlike sports where talent is measured by statisics(RBI's,HR's, touchdowns,speed, ect) lately talent in the film and music industry is measured by the public that is, largely by boxoffice and record sales. Which need I remind you that is the result of promotion not polished skill.
In the music business, when a seasoned well respected artist gives praise to the works of a newcomer, the viewer must understand this, those who live in glass houses don't throw stones, in other words that seasoned artist must be careful not to burn bridges that he/she may have to cross later on. That is why a artist will become more creditcally vocal once he/she is no longer under contract. If not, that artist may find themselves as Phyllis Hyman found herself, bitter and looking in from the outside. | |
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kiss85 said: lilgish said: You guys can hate on me but R.KELLY is a star who has made some great joints.
[Edited 8/15/05 18:32pm] R. Kelly's just about outta there. No one takes him seriously any more. The general public, they are still eating up his records | |
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The judging of talent in music is not a matter of preference or taste as some would suggest. Let us first understand this; music is defined as this, "The art of organizing tones in combinations and sequences that constitute a cohesive, unified, continuous composition. Vocal or instrumental sounds having melody,rhythm, or harmony." You see, it's not a matter of 'do whatever feels good to you'. There is a structure to music, otherwise the sound made by a machine in a factory or the sound of someone's car engine knocking could be classified as music. The lack of music theory knowlegde in todays pop stars and producers has greatly contributed to the stale boring sounds of todays music. But if that is all that you have been exposed to then you would never see the differance. You've been eating peanutbutter and jelly sandwishs all your life, lobster and shrimp you won't appreciate. Like the saying goes, "Give a staring man a cracker and he will say'That's the best cracker I have ever eaten'".Most of you young folks have been eating peanutbutter crackers. It's time you refine your palate! | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Personally, I don't give a damn about where Beyonce's career will be in a few years. I know she can sing, other people reading this thread know that she can sing and millions of fans who have liked her since the beginning of her DC days think that she can sing. The live version of "Dangerously In Love" shows that when she's not playing pop diva and actually settles down and sings - she's damn good. Your little opinion of the measure of her talent isn't holding water. You're just not hearing the type of singing YOU want to hear. Can't help ya there.
Try Lizz Wright, Jaguar Wright, Conya Doss,...you know what. f*ck it. I'm not gonna list a bunch of singers. Look for them yourself. They're out there. Peace. Hey BK, sorry that I offended you, didn't mean to. I'm originally from Philly, been attending and performing in the "Black Lilly" event way before Jill Scott's break. Jaguar, Jazzfatnasty, Jill Scott, Kindred, Roots, Lady Almayeah heard them all years ago, and for the most part it's just the "neo-soul" bandwagon. Now Sandra St. Victor, Kelli Sae they can blow. Check them out and then tell me Beyonce can handle her own with them. | |
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missfee said: to me, as long as bands/artists like:
D'angelo Mint Condition Anthony Hamilton Jill Scott Vivian Green Erykah Badu Raphael Saadiq Toni tony tone (yeah if they get back together, keep your fingers crossed) Lalah Hathaway ..still continue to make records and perform..despite the often shun from the industry, then R&B will continue to survive. Those are all fine and well but they are too slow except for an occasional funk jam from Toni Tony Tone. They can bring back real singers and musicians all they want but until they bring back some uptempo funk, I will continue to bitch. Even before hip hop took over, I was bitching because balladeers had taken over. Hell, it was like we were going backwards to the days of classical music. The flooding of the airwaves by balladeers is what left the doors open for hip hop to take over in the first place. There was nothing rebellious anymore. It was all music that your grandmother would have been happy with. Real music ain't the only thing that needs to come back, uptempo jams need to come back because they have been gone too long. I'm not old enough for a retirement home yet and I don't want all the music to be at retirement home tempo. . . [Edited 8/16/05 6:11am] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Vain is right.The "neo-soul" artists are cool,but whatever happened to the fast uptempo funk jams?? I'm sick of midtempo R&B love songs.I want the FUNK goddamit!  | |
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DavidEye said: Vain is right.The "neo-soul" artists are cool,but whatever happened to the fast uptempo funk jams?? I'm sick of midtempo R&B love songs.I want the FUNK goddamit! Damn right! Computers are not the reason today's teenagers are more obese than ever before. It's their music! It's too damn slow to shake the fat off their asses. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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chuckaducci said: The demise of R&B cant simply be placed upon drum machines (Van Hunt used drum machines extensively throughout his debut lp), or egomania. Technology and prima donnas are two mainstays in the arts that can be traced back to the classical age.
The demise of R&B is easily traced to the lack of songwriting and musicianship. No longer do musicians or studio rats devote their energies towards studying theory or music; instead, "musicians", particulary those musicians found in R&B and hip-hop, opt for learning a few chords, obtaining an extensive knowledge of crafting beats and voila.....they're instantly capable of making music. This is why popular R&B and hip hop stylings all sound the same; stale, boring and repetitive. Cats making R&B and hip hop could benefit from learning some new chords, study some theory, learning how to play new instruments and stop trying to emulate each other. The same can be said for most other pop music but because R&B and hip hop is so popular, it's easily held accountable. I'm sure my take is not the only reason but it's definitely one of them and it's definitely not the size of egos and drum machines.
Another problem is...many R&B artists all work with the same producers.Nobody takes a chance with an edgy,unknown producer.They simply call up Kanye West,The Neptunes,R.Kelly,P.Diddy,Jermaine Dupri,Jam and Lewis and whomever else is "hot" at the moment.That's why most of what you hear on the radio all sounds alike. | |
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vainandy said: Damn right! Computers are not the reason today's teenagers are more obese than ever before. It's their music! It's too damn slow to shake the fat off their asses.  | |
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Hey Vainandy, you want the tempo to pick up a bit?
Listen to 24-7 Spyz's "Gumbo Millennium" CD, track#11 titled "Racism" Is that 'up tempo' enough? | |
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