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PrintableRhondab said: TheCrucialExperience said: Ok fine! Booo Rhonda! 
And can I be Mickey this week?   I win, I win.....
cabbage patchin' Ok, now drop it like it's HOT! "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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And let me clarify....
I LIKED Mama's Gun, I just thought it needed more direction and focus from my future-baby-mama.  "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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Rhondab said: DavidEye said: No comparison.Lauryn's CD is arguably the best R&B/hip-hop album of the 90s.Erykah Budu's music can't compare.
can we David banned....thanks 
madonna 
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i like them both very much (though it took me a while to appreciate mama's gun - was a little disappointed at first), but "miseducation of..." still wins.
would beat most albums, actually.  | |
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badujunkie said: TheCrucialExperience said: Hmm? They're the only choices for best female CD in the last 10 years? And is this only in the Neo Soul category? And to be honest, Badu's debut is better than Mama's Gun and that was released in 96, so that falls under the category as well.
But then there's India.Arie's Voyage To India in which I think is better than "Miseducation" and "Mama's." The fact that many people like "Baduizm" better than "Mama's Gun" is still one of life's great mysteries to me. That album was way less varied, and so chilled out...it's practically lounge music. I like it a lot, no disrespect to Badu, but Mama's Gun is like 100% more diverse and her voice sounded a lot richer and fuller...IMHO of course. oh i agree absolutely. Baduizm was really not that great. Pretty varied in quality. Until Mama's gun came out, it was "look, if you're gonna buy some Badu, then buy the live album, not Baduizm." | |
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TheFrog said: badujunkie said: The fact that many people like "Baduizm" better than "Mama's Gun" is still one of life's great mysteries to me. That album was way less varied, and so chilled out...it's practically lounge music. I like it a lot, no disrespect to Badu, but Mama's Gun is like 100% more diverse and her voice sounded a lot richer and fuller...IMHO of course. oh i agree absolutely. Baduizm was really not that great. Pretty varied in quality. Until Mama's gun came out, it was "look, if you're gonna buy some Badu, then buy the live album, not Baduizm." Yeah, the LIVE ALBUM TOPS ALL OF HER RELEASES! "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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Mama's Gun - hands down... Miseducation was great, but to me it comes across as a superficial Stevie album. Plus there were too many questions of who actually produced some of the material.
On a side note, It's funny to me how when it comes to these neo-soul albums, folks are choosing the gimmicky debuts over the albums of substance (i.e Brown Sugar vs. Voodoo, Urban Hang Suite vs. Embrya) or the albums where the artists seem to be finding themselves. | |
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AntonioFargas said: Mama's Gun - hands down... Miseducation was great, but to me it comes across as a superficial Stevie album. Plus there were too many questions of who actually produced some of the material.
On a side note, It's funny to me how when it comes to these neo-soul albums, folks are choosing the gimmicky debuts over the albums of substance (i.e Brown Sugar vs. Voodoo, Urban Hang Suite vs. Embrya) or the albums where the artists seem to be finding themselves. I find it funny how cats call these artists debuts GIMMICKY when THAT'S what got YOU interested in them in the first place. Watch what ya say, dawg, cuz that one came back to bite you in the ass. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: AntonioFargas said: Mama's Gun - hands down... Miseducation was great, but to me it comes across as a superficial Stevie album. Plus there were too many questions of who actually produced some of the material.
On a side note, It's funny to me how when it comes to these neo-soul albums, folks are choosing the gimmicky debuts over the albums of substance (i.e Brown Sugar vs. Voodoo, Urban Hang Suite vs. Embrya) or the albums where the artists seem to be finding themselves. I find it funny how cats call these artists debuts GIMMICKY when THAT'S what got YOU interested in them in the first place. Watch what ya say, dawg, cuz that one came back to bite you in the ass. You're absolutely right that the GIMMICK is what turned me on in the first place. You're missing my point, though. Some of the same folks who bought those debut albums that made them sensations in the first place fell off the bandwagon when those artists felt they were in a position to make the music they truly wanted to make. Keeping in mind that this is all opinion and merely my theories and ideas... All four artists had strong followings for the debut albums because their appearances made them different. Badu had headwraps and incense and came across so "deep" with talk of ciphers, izm's. D'Angelo was the classy thug: cornrows and Armani suits. Maxwell was the bohemian descendent of Marvin Gaye's Love Man theme. Baduizm was very good release but no where near as musically and lyrically developed as Mama's Gun. The album was mainly noticed by the Dr. Dre/Issac Hayes sample of the Cheeba Sac remix of Bag Lady. I think the same of Brown Sugar and Voodoo. Brown Sugar was definitely more commercial and people were caught up with D'Angelo's image than what he truly had to offer musically. When Untitled dropped, there was so much concern with his abs that no one truly listed to what was going on. Why do you think he weighs damn near 300 lbs now? Urban Hang Suite was an excellent debut. But once again when the lyrics got a little too poetic and the music went a little left of centre, folks start thinking "Maxwell done lost his damn mind". It didn't hurt that there were more commercial singles on their respective debuts, but it seems like they were punished by half of the initial fanbase they accummulated for actually going against the grain when it really came down to the art. | |
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AntonioFargas said: TheCrucialExperience said: I find it funny how cats call these artists debuts GIMMICKY when THAT'S what got YOU interested in them in the first place. Watch what ya say, dawg, cuz that one came back to bite you in the ass. You're absolutely right that the GIMMICK is what turned me on in the first place. You're missing my point, though. Some of the same folks who bought those debut albums that made them sensations in the first place fell off the bandwagon when those artists felt they were in a position to make the music they truly wanted to make. Keeping in mind that this is all opinion and merely my theories and ideas... All four artists had strong followings for the debut albums because their appearances made them different. Badu had headwraps and incense and came across so "deep" with talk of ciphers, izm's. D'Angelo was the classy thug: cornrows and Armani suits. Maxwell was the bohemian descendent of Marvin Gaye's Love Man theme. Baduizm was very good release but no where near as musically and lyrically developed as Mama's Gun. The album was mainly noticed by the Dr. Dre/Issac Hayes sample of the Cheeba Sac remix of Bag Lady. I think the same of Brown Sugar and Voodoo. Brown Sugar was definitely more commercial and people were caught up with D'Angelo's image than what he truly had to offer musically. When Untitled dropped, there was so much concern with his abs that no one truly listed to what was going on. Why do you think he weighs damn near 300 lbs now? Urban Hang Suite was an excellent debut. But once again when the lyrics got a little too poetic and the music went a little left of centre, folks start thinking "Maxwell done lost his damn mind". It didn't hurt that there were more commercial singles on their respective debuts, but it seems like they were punished by half of the initial fanbase they accummulated for actually going against the grain when it really came down to the art. Ok, I agree with most of what you said and it goes back to one of my original posts on this thread: Artists, especially new artists, need to COMPROMISE. You can't lead your fans in 1 direction, make them like it and then try and lead them in another direction after only ONE LEAD. Badu, D', and Maxy were ALL guilty of that. Fans are fickle and fans pay the bills. Once you lose your core fan base, you're in deep shit. That's just the way it goes in music biz. Mix it up: Bring what got your fan base and then let them hear a little bit of where you wanna take them next. Simple as that. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: Ok, I agree with most of what you said and it goes back to one of my original posts on this thread: Artists, especially new artists, need to COMPROMISE. You can't lead your fans in 1 direction, make them like it and then try and lead them in another direction after only ONE LEAD. Badu, D', and Maxy were ALL guilty of that. Fans are fickle and fans pay the bills. Once you lose your core fan base, you're in deep shit. That's just the way it goes in music biz. Mix it up: Bring what got your fan base and then let them hear a little bit of where you wanna take them next. Simple as that. I think that's why Voodoo starts with hip-hop tracks. Brown Sugar was more hip-hop like that. Then you get to the REAL second album after that. | |
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Chico319 said: no contest.
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CinisterCee said: TheCrucialExperience said: Ok, I agree with most of what you said and it goes back to one of my original posts on this thread: Artists, especially new artists, need to COMPROMISE. You can't lead your fans in 1 direction, make them like it and then try and lead them in another direction after only ONE LEAD. Badu, D', and Maxy were ALL guilty of that. Fans are fickle and fans pay the bills. Once you lose your core fan base, you're in deep shit. That's just the way it goes in music biz. Mix it up: Bring what got your fan base and then let them hear a little bit of where you wanna take them next. Simple as that. I think that's why Voodoo starts with hip-hop tracks. Brown Sugar was more hip-hop like that. Then you get to the REAL second album after that. I find nothing Hip-Hop about Brown Sugar, dawg. What makes you think BS had a Hip Hop vibe? BS had a "Soulful-Jazzy" vibe and THAT'S what had people's ears buzzin'. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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