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Thread started 07/29/05 7:43pm

TonyVanDam

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What The Hell Went Wrong With Ray Parker Jr.?

My Answer:

Instead of remembering Ray as a musical force in his own right, the last time some people are going the remember him for is this bullshit:




I like this movie as a kid growing up in the 80's. But the movie's theme song ruined the career of Ray Parker Jr. forever!!!

True or False?

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Reply #1 posted 07/29/05 7:53pm

funkpill

nod So true...

Ray was badd in his Raydio days.... cool
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Reply #2 posted 07/29/05 7:57pm

MsLegs

funkpill said:

nod So true...

Ray was badd in his Raydio days.... cool

nod He had a whole lot of Funk back then.
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Reply #3 posted 07/29/05 8:38pm

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I love What Ray Parker Jr. di with Raydio & also on hos own after that. The only thing I didn't like was that Ghostbusters track and also the Girls have more fun track where in the video he had a mini skirt on. But this cat was a sought after guitarist in the early 70's playing with Barry White, Marvin Gaye, & Stevie Wonder's Wonderlove Band.
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Reply #4 posted 07/29/05 8:40pm

eldog98

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eldog98 said:

I love What Ray Parker Jr. did with Raydio & also on his own after that. The only thing I didn't like was that Ghostbusters track and also the Girls have more fun track where in the video he had a mini skirt on. But this cat was a sought after guitarist in the early 70's playing with Barry White, Marvin Gaye, & Stevie Wonder's Wonderlove Band.


Damn my spelling was off!
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Reply #5 posted 07/29/05 8:40pm

MsLegs

eldog98 said:

I love What Ray Parker Jr. di with Raydio & also on hos own after that. The only thing I didn't like was that Ghostbusters track and also the Girls have more fun track where in the video he had a mini skirt on. But this cat was a sought after guitarist in the early 70's playing with Barry White, Marvin Gaye, & Stevie Wonder's Wonderlove Band.

Also, he used to play with Bill Withers and Roy Ayers.
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Reply #6 posted 08/01/05 12:38am

DavidEye

"Ghostbusters" was an embarassment,and so was his 1985 single "Girls Are More Fun".But he bounced back in 1987 with a remarkably soulful album 'After Dark',which was a return to form.
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Reply #7 posted 08/01/05 1:18am

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pre-Gostbusters Ray(dio) was slammin, and as David pointed out, some 80/90s material was also kinda fine. but "Sex and the single man" was the ultimate crossover album desaster (second only probably to "Dancing on the ceiling"...) with cutting & pasting musical ideas from Prince, MJ, Lionel etc. but lacking any form of original Parker inspiration. horrible.

Ray appeared on some 80s retro show not to long ago on German televsion. perfoming: "Ghostbusters" of course... looking somewhat older, but who could blame him


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Reply #8 posted 08/01/05 1:36am

MsLegs

Dancelot said:

pre-Gostbusters Ray(dio) was slammin, and as David pointed out, some 80/90s material was also kinda fine. but "Sex and the single man" was the ultimate crossover album desaster (second only probably to "Dancing on the ceiling"...) with cutting & pasting musical ideas from Prince, MJ, Lionel etc. but lacking any form of original Parker inspiration. horrible.

Ray appeared on some 80s retro show not to long ago on German televsion. perfoming: "Ghostbusters" of course... looking somewhat older, but who could blame him


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Wow, this cat has aged. The last time I saw him was on Oh Drama and that was a couple years ago.
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Reply #9 posted 08/01/05 5:18am

vainandy

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The same thing fucked up Ray Parker, Jr. that fucked up so many other R&B/funk artists.....intentionally watering down their music and going after the pop audience.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #10 posted 08/01/05 5:31am

DavidEye

vainandy said:

The same thing fucked up Ray Parker, Jr. that fucked up so many other R&B/funk artists.....intentionally watering down their music and going after the pop audience.


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Reply #11 posted 08/01/05 8:57am

MsLegs

vainandy said:

The same thing fucked up Ray Parker, Jr. that fucked up so many other R&B/funk artists.....intentionally watering down their music and going after the pop audience.

nod
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Reply #12 posted 08/01/05 10:33am

intha916

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I don't know what Arnell Carmichael is doing now, but Ray needs to get back with dude and do a Raydio tour. There is a lot of money out there right now for old school groups and they would be a hot ticket.
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Reply #13 posted 08/01/05 11:19am

thesexofit

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Man, not another thread about this mad

And as I kept saying on the other thread, "love you like you are" is funky.

He made one pop album, then did adult contemp, then did newjack. Dude got skillz.
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Reply #14 posted 08/01/05 11:23am

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thesexofit said:

Man, not another thread about this mad

And as I kept saying on the other thread, "love you like you are" is funky.

He made one pop album, then did adult contemp, then did newjack. Dude got skillz.


I liked that song too

Thought I was the only one out there lol
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Reply #15 posted 08/01/05 11:26am

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intha916 said:

thesexofit said:

Man, not another thread about this mad

And as I kept saying on the other thread, "love you like you are" is funky.

He made one pop album, then did adult contemp, then did newjack. Dude got skillz.


I liked that song too

Thought I was the only one out there lol



I love most of the album "love you like you are".

For once I can be a snob and say u gotta dig real newjack to appreciate some of those cuts lol
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Reply #16 posted 08/01/05 1:51pm

intha916

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thesexofit said:

intha916 said:



I liked that song too

Thought I was the only one out there lol



I love most of the album "love you like you are".

For once I can be a snob and say u gotta dig real newjack to appreciate some of those cuts lol


I agree. The cut "She Needs To Get Some" was a good update of "A Woman Needs Love" IMO. This album doesn't stack up with the Raydio albums of the past, but it's better than a lot of his other solo stuff.
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Reply #17 posted 08/01/05 2:58pm

RodeoSchro

LMAO, I remember when he was interviewed after he did "Ghostbusters". He literally begged someone to hire him as an actor. He was never heard from again.

I always thought the begging did him in.
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Reply #18 posted 08/01/05 3:00pm

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vainandy said:

The same thing fucked up Ray Parker, Jr. that fucked up so many other R&B/funk artists.....intentionally watering down their music and going after the pop audience.


So true, so very very true. I know the pop audience generates more revenue but end the end I wonder if it's really worth it? hmmm
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Reply #19 posted 08/01/05 3:04pm

SPYZFAN1

Uh Legsbaby.....didn't we just have a thread on Ray Parker Jr?
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Reply #20 posted 08/01/05 3:22pm

MsLegs

SPYZFAN1 said:

Uh Legsbaby.....didn't we just have a thread on Ray Parker Jr?

Exactly. Deja Vu all over again Spy Baby.
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Reply #21 posted 08/01/05 3:37pm

MIGUELGOMEZ

Aw man. I used to love the song JACK AND JILL by RAYDIO.


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MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits"
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Reply #22 posted 08/01/05 4:00pm

theAudience

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What happened?

I think he started believing his press clippings about being a sex symbol and forgot about being a musician.

(check all the "left-sided" profile photos)

confused

tA

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Reply #23 posted 08/01/05 4:04pm

SPYZFAN1

Thanks Audi. That's exactly what I said in the other Ray Parker Jr. thread. Around 1985, he went thru the "Billy Dee-wanna be " phase. Eddie Murphy would soon follow in 1992.
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Reply #24 posted 08/01/05 4:23pm

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SPYZFAN1 said:

Thanks Audi. That's exactly what I said in the other Ray Parker Jr. thread. Around 1985, he went thru the "Billy Dee-wanna be " phase. Eddie Murphy would soon follow in 1992.

Cool. I didn't see that.

"Billy Dee wanna-be". I like that. nod

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Reply #25 posted 08/02/05 5:34am

DavidEye

RodeoSchro said:

LMAO, I remember when he was interviewed after he did "Ghostbusters". He literally begged someone to hire him as an actor. He was never heard from again.I always thought the begging did him in.



lol...yeah,I remember in the mid-80s,he was always talking about how much he wanted to be in movies,playing a romantic lead.Apparently,the success of the "Ghostbusters" theme song really went to his head.He went Hollywood,lol.
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Reply #26 posted 08/02/05 5:36am

DavidEye

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

Aw man. I used to love the song JACK AND JILL by RAYDIO.



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Reply #27 posted 08/02/05 10:36am

intha916

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Best Ray Parker/Raydio songs

Jack and Jill
What You Waitin' For
Going Thru School and Love
You Can't Change That
Hot Stuff
More Than One Way To Love A Woman
Two Places At The Same Time
Tonight's The Night
For Those Who Like To Groove
A Woman Needs Love
It's Time To Party Now
Until The Morning Comes
Everybody Makes Mistakes
It's Your Night
Old Pro
You Can't Fight What You Feel
Still In The Groove
I Don't Think That Man Should Sleep Alone
I Love You Like You Are
She Needs To Get Some
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Reply #28 posted 08/02/05 11:08am

MIGUELGOMEZ

intha916 said:

Best Ray Parker/Raydio songs

Jack and Jill
What You Waitin' For
Going Thru School and Love
You Can't Change That
Hot Stuff
More Than One Way To Love A Woman
Two Places At The Same Time
Tonight's The Night
For Those Who Like To Groove
A Woman Needs Love
It's Time To Party Now
Until The Morning Comes
Everybody Makes Mistakes
It's Your Night
Old Pro
You Can't Fight What You Feel
Still In The Groove
I Don't Think That Man Should Sleep Alone
I Love You Like You Are
She Needs To Get Some




I totally forgot about YOU CAN'T CHANGE THAT. Love it.

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MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits"
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Reply #29 posted 08/02/05 8:14pm

cranshaw62

That's Ray playing the impossibly funky guitar intro on "You Got The Love" by Rufus. I think he co-wrote it also.

Along the lines of what V said when you go after crossover success things can change in the music.

Ray has made a fortune in session work and excellent real estate deals.

In a magazine called Musician Nelson George wrote a really good article on the difference between the "LA sound" back in the days in music vs.the sound of the way guys in New York played.

It wasn't covered as much in "The Death Of Rhythm and Blues"

Record Companies encourage it and I think some musicians say "Hey, I want a piece of that."

For instance George Benson.

We know George is a master on the guitar and a heaven of a vocalist but if you listen to him in interviews he's a bit like Chuck Berry: "Gimme The Loot" and I'm going to add some water to this gravy. It's just the way the industry goes.

If George would have refused to "go smooth" they would have stuck Jonathan Butler in his spot. (Which they still tried to do) but you can't replace a musician with authority and knowledge like George.
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