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PrintableStymie said: TheCrucialExperience said: Like I said, the majority of you complaining probably never wrote in to BET about your concerns or voiced anywhere else to be heard. I've written to BET, my local newspapers, and my local radio stations about the stuff our kids are exposed to. I have also written about it here. But, for the last five years, the majority of folks obviously thought this shit was okay for their kids because the audience is always full of teenagers. My kids cannot watch that stuff, period.Cool, good shit then. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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purplecam said: TheCrucialExperience said: Like I said, the majority of you complaining probably never wrote in to BET about your concerns or voiced anywhere else to be heard.
No lie, I was talking to a freind of mine last night before this thread came out and we were talking about MTV and VH1 and how bad it is today and I was thinking about writing to them about the shows and music. Now with this thread, I convinced that we need to be some writing and calling fools with Viacom. What's the worst that can happen with that? Now that's what I'm talkin' about..PROaction! "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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Moonwalkbjrain said: y'kno while i'm feelin what u all are saying. i think its a bit of a waste to complain about the kind of music bet is playing. they're playing whats popular. whether u all like it or not 50, cassidy, ashanti, mariah, etc... these are people that are popular. people wouldn't tune in if these things weren't showed. dont get mad @ bet for pleasing its viewers that vote for these vids. get mad at the industry. i mean, correct me if i'm wrong but when they had video soul and all that didn't they show the popular vids of the day? or the vids of popular artists? same procedure, different sound. But it is the videos that they, along with MTV and Clear Channel, helped to make popular. I remember many videos being played on BET that were never popular. Unfortunately, I never got BET until the 1990s but I remember them playing some of the house videos such as "Don't You Love Me" by The 49ers. Even in the mid 1990s, I remember them playing "Slyde" by Cameo, "Slide" by The Bar-Kays, "Peace Sign" by War, "Take Me Higher" by Diana Ross, etc. If it had not been for BET, I would never have known about these songs because they got absolutely NO radio airplay in my area. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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purplecam said: Moonwalkbjrain said: black people don't own it no more do they? if not, some black folk...some intelligent blk folk need to take over. If my memory is correct, Robert Johnson, the founder of BET, sold BET over to Viacom in 2001. I don't know how much money he received but it's safe to say it was in the hundreds of millions. He just announced on the BET Awards last month that he was stepping down from the CEO spot or something like that and passing the torch to a female who's name escapes me. I remember people here were concerned about BET's future and where it was going to go. Most here believed it was going to become more like MTV and unfortunately they were "dead on it". [Edited 7/28/05 19:19pm] [Edited 7/28/05 19:21pm] ----- We all knew this was going to happen. Don't be surprised if the network goes off the air and is changed to a latin channel. The hot new demographic in the USA. I don't think Bob stepped down I think he was asked to leave. This almost always happens when the orignal owner sells his business | |
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theVelvetRoper said: JANFAN4L said: The material got tired after a while. How many "white people" jokes are we gonna hear? Then a lot of times it got insensitive with the "retarded people act like this," "gays act like this," "Messicans act like this"  We always love when the white comedian comes on and plays the role of the dorky white guy. Great.  So it's more insensitive to make fun of gays and Mexicans than it is to make fun of all Caucasians? ----- It is called a sense of humor. Gays, Mexicans and White people need to learn to laugh at themselves. | |
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theVelvetRoper said: JANFAN4L said: The material got tired after a while. How many "white people" jokes are we gonna hear? Then a lot of times it got insensitive with the "retarded people act like this," "gays act like this," "Messicans act like this" We always love when the white comedian comes on and plays the role of the dorky white guy. Great. So it's more insensitive to make fun of gays and Mexicans than it is to make fun of all Caucasians? Yes. White Americans as a group hold the power and privilege in this society. Gays as a group and Mexicans do not. The Normal Whores Club | |
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Warrington Hudlin, of the Hudlin Brothers directing team is taking over as BET big cheese, so it may be possible that the channel will change for the better. Hudlin said he wants to clean the image of the channel up, make it more positive, less booty videos. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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2freaky4church1 said: Warrington Hudlin, of the Hudlin Brothers directing team is taking over as BET big cheese, so it may be possible that the channel will change for the better. Hudlin said he wants to clean the image of the channel up, make it more positive, less booty videos.
Well I hope he succeeds cause a change is in order. In fact it's a couple of days late. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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theVelvetRoper said: JANFAN4L said: The material got tired after a while. How many "white people" jokes are we gonna hear? Then a lot of times it got insensitive with the "retarded people act like this," "gays act like this," "Messicans act like this" We always love when the white comedian comes on and plays the role of the dorky white guy. Great. So it's more insensitive to make fun of gays and Mexicans than it is to make fun of all Caucasians? All of it is tired. :::mouthing Doug E. Doug from "Hangin' With The Homeboys":: You doin' this 'cause I'm black right? If I was a white guy... I'm joking, people. Put your guns down | |
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This thread evolved into an interesting one. Everyone has good suggestions (except for a few of you who are delusional about what BET was supposed to be about)
They have had a history of eliminating good programming (like BET Next that focused exclusively on non-traditional artists) and Teen Summit. This is nothing new to them; sacrificing the important for what might be more popular. That Uncle Tom Bob Johnson always had money on the brain and has no loyalty whatsoever towards the black community where BET is concerned. He's even said so himself. Celebs only treat him the way they do because he's a billionaire. There is only one solution. STOP WATCHING B.E.T. Someone earlier mentioned TV-One. That may be our next best bet. Viacom owns BET now. We will NEVER get what we want. Already, they are making subtle changes in preparation for their total takeover, since Bob is officially out the door as CEO this year. On BET Nightly News we see less of Jackie Reed, a very typical looking black woman and more of Michelle Mitchell, a high yellow and much more "universally identifyable" counterpart. That's not a diss on Miss Mitchell. She seems to be doing a decent job; it speaks more about whomever is in charge. Whenever non-blacks are involved in decisions like this, we see two things: fewer lighter-skinned black males and more lighter-skinned black females. Its no secret that the popular and most visually comfortable stereotypes on television and in Hollywood these days (I'm not talking about the Prince/Debarge era) are light skinned black women and dark skinned black men. This is very deliberate, but I'm not going into why on this thread. The company is playing subtle image games and most are probably unaware. The former host of The Center, Tiffany - a carmel-colored sister who also looked very typical in the community but not so much on television was replaced by the most untalented. flighty personality on BET - Julissa. This woman can't read for sh*t. She always makes mistakes, reads the telepromter in an annoying cheerleader-like voice and has the personality of a cottonball. Her ONLY quality is her asthetics. Again, a "universally accepted" standard of beauty (she's hispanic but could pass for a high yellow sista) is applied here. I could spend all day on the programming flaws, but since that's already been done, there's no need. I'm just making the point that BET is done for. As Voices Carry said - stick a fork in it. "Uncle" Bob isn't there anymore, so with him went the leverage of at least having the respect that he was once the owner of the company and built it to where it is today. BET will never live up to black peoples' expectations under the ownership of Viacom. Just look at Vh-1 and Mtv. That is the future of BET. Only difference - black & hispanic faces in place of white ones. | |
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But, MTV is almost all black now. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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JANFAN4L said: I'm joking, people. Put your guns down  The Normal Whores Club | |
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FunkMistress said: theVelvetRoper said: So it's more insensitive to make fun of gays and Mexicans than it is to make fun of all Caucasians? Yes. White Americans as a group hold the power and privilege in this society. Gays as a group and Mexicans do not. True enough, but I don't think that automatically makes it more insensitive. It's all about context. Some of the white jokes on Comic View were really funny, and some were downright nasty. The same can be said doubly about the jokes aimed at gays and Asians on that show. I don't think any one group of people is off limits, but (for me, anyway) when the people you're targeting aren't "in on the joke" it becomes a little more problematic. Just my  Don't hate me  | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: FunkMistress said: Yes. White Americans as a group hold the power and privilege in this society. Gays as a group and Mexicans do not. True enough, but I don't think that automatically makes it more insensitive. It's all about context. Some of the white jokes on Comic View were really funny, and some were downright nasty. The same can be said doubly about the jokes aimed at gays and Asians on that show. I don't think any one group of people is off limits, but (for me, anyway) when the people you're targeting aren't "in on the joke" it becomes a little more problematic. Just my Don't hate me How could I hate you, darling?  The Normal Whores Club | |
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FunkMistress said: RipHer2Shreds said: True enough, but I don't think that automatically makes it more insensitive. It's all about context. Some of the white jokes on Comic View were really funny, and some were downright nasty. The same can be said doubly about the jokes aimed at gays and Asians on that show. I don't think any one group of people is off limits, but (for me, anyway) when the people you're targeting aren't "in on the joke" it becomes a little more problematic. Just my Don't hate me How could I hate you, darling? Well, you just whooped me. Oh, wait. That's a sign of  | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: FunkMistress said: How could I hate you, darling? Well, you just whooped me. Oh, wait. That's a sign of Claro que si. The Normal Whores Club | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: FunkMistress said: How could I hate you, darling? Well, you just whooped me. Oh, wait. That's a sign of  Stop The Press! | |
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BET was over when Video Soul, Screen Scene, Video LP and the original lineup of Teen Summit was taken off the air. Ohhh you keep saying stay the niiiiiiiiight
Just let me rock you 'til the morning liiiiiiight It's cold outside And much too late to driiiiiiiive You know I need you baby I'm so lost without your love Mariah Carey - Stay The Night  | |
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FunkMistress said: RipHer2Shreds said: Well, you just whooped me. Oh, wait. That's a sign of Claro que si. Ah,que bueno.  | |
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Hotlegs said: RipHer2Shreds said: Well, you just whooped me. Oh, wait. That's a sign of Stop The Press! It's okay, we're both homos.The Normal Whores Club | |
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FunkMistress said: Hotlegs said: Stop The Press! It's okay, we're both homos. "It's Your Thang. Do What You Wanna Do. I Can't Tell Ya. Who To Sock It To." | |
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Hotlegs said: FunkMistress said: It's okay, we're both homos. "It's Your Thang. Do What You Wanna Do. I Can't Tell Ya. Who To Sock It To." | |
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laurarichardson said: theVelvetRoper said: So it's more insensitive to make fun of gays and Mexicans than it is to make fun of all Caucasians? ----- It is called a sense of humor. Gays, Mexicans and White people need to learn to laugh at themselves. not really. some of it isn't humour, its blatant disrespect. ur blk right? how would u feel if some comic came on that wasn't blk and always made jokes about blk people? i mean i love a good white people can't dance and a mexicans always got a lotta people in there house joke as much as the next person, but it gets taken a little TOO far. its sad. how would u as a blk person feel if say, a white person made nigger jokes, or coon jokes, like some blk comics make cracker jokes? Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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Moonwalkbjrain said: laurarichardson said: ----- It is called a sense of humor. Gays, Mexicans and White people need to learn to laugh at themselves. not really. some of it isn't humour, its blatant disrespect. ur blk right? how would u feel if some comic came on that wasn't blk and always made jokes about blk people? i mean i love a good white people can't dance and a mexicans always got a lotta people in there house joke as much as the next person, but it gets taken a little TOO far. its sad. how would u as a blk person feel if say, a white person made nigger jokes, or coon jokes, like some blk comics make cracker jokes? Ok, but YOU took it too far with N word and Coon. NO white comedian in their right mind would go there. There are just some unspoken rules that ALL comics know not to break, trust me. Frankly, I like it bow that white comics are starting to try and imitate blacks, we've been doing it to them from Pryor to Eddie to Rock to Tucker to Martin, it's only fair (and about time I might add) that that double-standard get done away with. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: NO white comedian in their right mind would go there. There are just some unspoken rules that ALL comics know not to break, trust me.
George Carlin does. Truth said in jest or a clever way to get away with saying the "N" word? You decide. He's funny, but he would get the sh*t kicked out of him telling those jokes in the wrong environment. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: TheCrucialExperience said: NO white comedian in their right mind would go there. There are just some unspoken rules that ALL comics know not to break, trust me.
George Carlin does. Truth said in jest or a clever way to get away with saying the "N" word? You decide. He's funny, but he would get the sh*t kicked out of him telling those jokes in the wrong environment.  BK Baby, I know that's right. Out of all the caucasian comedians out there, he is cool as fuck as far as I am concerned and is the white version of Paul Mooney. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: TheCrucialExperience said: NO white comedian in their right mind would go there. There are just some unspoken rules that ALL comics know not to break, trust me.
George Carlin does. Truth said in jest or a clever way to get away with saying the "N" word? You decide. He's funny, but he would get the sh*t kicked out of him telling those jokes in the wrong environment. Carlin and Rickles are the rarities that can test those limits, but yes, they both would catch a critical beatdown if they said that in the wrong bar LOL! "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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MsLegs said: BlaqueKnight said: George Carlin does. Truth said in jest or a clever way to get away with saying the "N" word? You decide. He's funny, but he would get the sh*t kicked out of him telling those jokes in the wrong environment. BK Baby, I know that's right. Out of all the caucasian comedians out there, he is cool as fuck as far as I am concerned and is the white version of Paul Mooney. Carlin rules. He tells it like it is and doesn't hold back, and people like his honesty.  | |
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VoicesCarry said: MsLegs said: BK Baby, I know that's right. Out of all the caucasian comedians out there, he is cool as fuck as far as I am concerned and is the white version of Paul Mooney. Carlin rules. He tells it like it is and doesn't hold back, and people like his honesty. carlin is brilliant at illustrating how you can say ANYthing or talk about ANYthing and get away with it, because the whole point is HOW you talk about it, not the words themselves. very few people can do this successfully, and to my knowledge, he's been the only person who's been able to preach this concept with any kind of effect on society. | |
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Anxiety said: VoicesCarry said: Carlin rules. He tells it like it is and doesn't hold back, and people like his honesty. carlin is brilliant at illustrating how you can say ANYthing or talk about ANYthing and get away with it, because the whole point is HOW you talk about it, not the words themselves. very few people can do this successfully, and to my knowledge, he's been the only person who's been able to preach this concept with any kind of effect on society. Margaret Cho is like a microcosmic version of Carlin. Not nearly as educated on world events as he is, but she's good in the same way he is. | |
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