JANFAN4L said:

No, the guy came back & said it was a mistake.

It was that Just Blaze (Remix) for "Just A Little While"

Scorpion said:

These people suck.

laurarichardson said:

eerrr i think "the RN tour" was the most successful debut tour in rock history, so she must be selling something out
huh?

Hotlegs said:

laurarichardson said:

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Let's not live in the land of make believe. Janet can't sell out venues. I think it due to the lip sync nosense and the fact that she has not toured that much.

HISTORY LESSON:

The Rhythm Nation World Tour remains, to this day, the biggest and most successful debut tour by ANY artist (male, female or group) in history. It was seen by over 2 million people worldwide. This tour ran a total of nine full months and was a total of 120 shows. Tickets to the Tokyo Dome concert sold out in 7 minutes (a record in Japan).

The Janet. World Tour ran for two years and sold out at multiple venues worldwide.

The Velvet Rope World Tour was her first to be broadcasted live on television. It became the 2nd most watched concert special in the history of the HBO network. The night the first broadcast aired, it was the #1 most watched show on Sunday, Oct. 11, 1998, outpacing all programs on ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX that night with 15 million viewers in 8.9 million households. That show at Madison Square Garden was sold out. Spanned 4 continents -- North America, Europe, Asia and Africa. The South African leg of this tour sold out, as well. This tour was held at Aloha Stadium (along with the AFY) and ALL STADIUM dates were sold out the day they went on sale. Earned several Emmy nominations. Her first concert DVD, it was certifed platinum by the RIAA in 1999.

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Sources: All Music Guide (AMG) http://www.allmusic.com/c...at04xd7~T1 / Wikipedia (the free encyclopedia -- knowledge doesn't hurt) http://en.wikipedia.org/w...et_jackson / Mark Sonner Productions http://www.marksonderprod...ckson.html / Rolling Stone Online www.RollingStone.com / Billboard www.billboard.com / Nielsen Media Research (10/11/1998) / RIAA / Tokyo Weekender http://www.weekender.co.j.../baby.html / HBO & TimeWarner http://www.timewarner.com...00,00.html

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laurarichardson said:

that's comedy, right there!

Maybe since she's one of the few artists to have not toured once until selling abput 15 million records, that's a resaon why her debut tour was the biggest Most artists built up a following through touring in those days. They'd tour around from the get go.

I don't care if Janet's tour sold 1 billion per tour, she needs to upgrade her stage performances beyond the video remake stuff. I guess i'm not big on the Vegas show sorta thing. I want the music. She can dance and all of that but concentrate on the music.

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If y'all don't wanna give the woman credit, given all the facts that were pounded out, I honestly don't give a f**k.

The end.

JANFAN4L said:

Sometimes Janfan i trash Janet because you react to that the same way Davideye or jaydee or myself act towards Madonna. Maybe the thing you don't like Madonna fans is apart of yourself reflected in us

ehuffnsd said:

I miss jayaredee

VoicesCarry said:

Me too . When we talked last, he said he needed a break.

ehuffnsd said:

I miss jayaredee. He was a bright little beacon of sunshine on the org.

Why did he leave?

JANFAN4L said:

Check your orgnotes.

VoicesCarry said:

Thanks.

JANFAN4L said:

SassyBritches said:

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Yes, it is comedy that is the last 19 years you can count on one hand the number of times this woman has toured the USA and performed the same tired video rehash show.

If you look at the HBO special the venue was half empty. She needs to change her show.

laurarichardson said:

You can count on one hand the number of times many artists have toured the USA, so I don't see how that has any bearing on the argument.

VoicesCarry said:

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Some of those artist can't sell out large venues either. It takes time to build a following and I don't think lip synching and doing a video re-hash is going to get it over the longhaul.

Please don't use Maddonna as an example. She has a whole gay following and none of the Jackson family baggage.

laurarichardson said:

Then again of all the concerts I've been to, Madonna's crowd was surprisingly the least diverse of them all. I mean damn, not a single ethnic minority from my desperate observations. Sorry, It's a thing I always ddo at concerts, scanning the crowds.

laurarichardson said:

No one can use Madonna as an example, since even Madonna can't even sell out all the major stops on her itinerary anymore. Scalpers lost so much damn money on that tour. Concert ticket sales are down across the board for all artists, and I can't see this decline ending anytime soon with the advent of DVD, HBO and Tivo. I don't see why Janet is singled out for not being able to sell out huge ampitheatres anymore. You can bitch about her routine, but her ticket sales are pretty much following the same trends as everyone else's.

JANFAN4L said:

Yeah, I agree. Why are people so negative about Janet??? Ya know I don't ever remember people being this negative about Janet before the Super Bowl mess.
It's really sad.

And for the record, I'm not a huge Madonna fan, but I will at least admit the woman has made some contributions to music. Well, Janet has, too. Both Madonna and Janet are "icons," particularly as music/video artists even though NEITHER of them have the pipes of a Beyonce or Christina. Well that's OK coz not everyone really likes the vocal gymnastic, belt kind of singer either. Janet is an "artist" in her own right. She excells at what she does best. She deserves respect for at least that. If Janet and even Madonna ever retire, we are really gonna miss their presence coz they can never be replaced--copied YES--but never replaced. So I'm gonna enjoy Janet and appreciate Madonna while they are still around and willing to put themselves out there.

What credit needs to be given? I don't think anyone has denied that Janet is an icon. She has made her mark BUT as someone who has seen her "live", I think she just needs to upgrade her live performance. A good way would to be make them .....live.
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Rhondab said:

Worrrd!

VoicesCarry said:

ummm wait a sec...Madonna's highest priced tickets to the public TO BEGIN WITH were $300...scalpers couldn't sell them beacause they had to go through the roof with their prices to even make a profit. had madonna's tix been as inexpensive as, say, Prince or Janet's last two tours ($40-$100), and had she not done 4 and 5 shows in the bigger markets (NY, Chicage), every damn seat would have been filled undoubtedly. please don't try and make the case that madonna would struggle to fill an arena as much as janet would in today's climate.

Rhondab said:

I'll agree that Janet probably needs to rework her shows even though I've NEVER seen one of em live. Yeah, staging and presentation is getting a little old from the dvd's/tapes I've seen. But I'm not really put-off by the lip-synching. Janet has never been know for her great vocal ability. It's the total package as far as her videos and tours are concerned that are important to a lot her fans. I guess that's what I'm talking about in regard to respect. I just never heard a lot of complaints about Janet before as far as the lip-synching was concerned until after the Super Bowl then people started griping about Janet, too. Hey, that's nothing new. Many hard-core vocalists sing to a back-up track from time time when they are supposed to be singing live, and they're not dancing at all. In fact, some artists might consider using a back-up track coz every single time I've seen em perform live, they sing MISERABLY off-key. The result is mind-numbing. I won't name names.. ( cough**anthony**cough** keidis***cough) Just one comes to mind right off the top of my head, but I'm sure I could think of some more.( I love the Peppers though. )

So I could care less if she sings live, uses a back-up track, or flat-out lip-synchs coz I love the dancing and performance aspects just as much. I would say the same thing about Madonna, too, coz I'm there to see the whole production not just the vocals.
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badujunkie said:

Scalpers were having difficulty hawking those $300 tickets on the streets for $40 or less. You do the math. People are not willing to pay the prices artists are asking these days, be it Madonna or otherwise. There were tons of seats available at many of her shows, and they were moving people on down from the nosebleed seats to the damn fourth row. Just ask SassyBritches.
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Ellie said:

Wow. I know you've had it with Madonna but catch her in NYC if you can. There's a bit of everyone at her shows--at least there use to be. But of course NYC has a bit of everyone in population to begin with so I guess that doesn't count.
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Without question.

alright enough with this damn thread! i started it now ima end it!

apparently with all the response, there's enough muhfukkas out there that care about janet, probably enough to support her on tour.

ENOUGH!!!

if you don't like the lady, stay home!