...im kind of supprised she didnt do a tour for her last album...

even though it didnt do anything,,,,she still puts on a damn good show !!!!

ehuffnsd said:

You might be correct, coz I don't know that much about tour promotion or the music business. Maybe Janet could have used the SB to her advantage. But it appeared to me that many Americans were personally offended by the wardrobe malfunction. It's like Janet rained on their Super Bowl parade or something. Apparently, NOBODY messes with apple pie or the Super Bowl. All kidding aside, the controversy just occurred at a bad time, and the conservatives seem to exploit "the incident" a bit to further promote their agenda. It just seems that Janet's situation caused more of this "politically-minded" backlash than any of Madonna's exploits, but obviously I could be very wrong on that.

All I know for sure is that I was VERY, VERY disappointed that DJ tour was "postponed." I was really looking forward to going coz it would have been the first time I had the opportunity coz with other tours, I was just over-committed to job, school, family, etc. It's been like an eternity for me to wait for Janet's next cd. I really can't wait, and I hope, hope, hope that she tours this time no matter what.
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You could also argue that perhaps over the last 2 years she hasn't been as dedicated to her career as much because of the obvious "family" troubles. I know she wasn't at any of the trial dates apart from the pre-trial hearings and the verdict, but I heard that she had an apartment nearby just to be close if needed.

Maybe she would have done a short tour if the album had done better, but no use guessing now.
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madonna sells out because people are anxious to see what hits she puts in this time where as with janet we all know what the setlist will be like.

i'm so sick of madonna lately, but would pay just to see her perform "cherish", "open your heart", "take a bow" or "live to tell"

i also think janet should do only a few selected dates for her next tour in stadiums!!!!!
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Ellie said:

you could argue that perhaps over the last 5 years she hasn't been as dedicated to her career as much because she's bored with it. i know i certainly am



if she doesn't have the energy or imagination to come up with something, then why should we bother with it?

Isel said:

Excuse the double-negative, but there wasn't no way Janet could tour in a Bush/Kerry election climate and NOT be the object of distraction.

She didn't need to have her name further bandied about by an already ravenous newsmedia. Touring in that climate would've only helped Bush even more and serve a twisted "morality" agenda for conservatives. I'm glad it never saw the light of day. Folks would've blamed HER for Bush's win, too. Just like they did with Puff Daddy's Vote or Die campaign and liberal Hollywood. Best thing Janet did in '04 was step OUT of the spotlight for a hot a** minute.

As for this impending tour's "success"? C'mon. The woman will sell tickets, if she wants to sell tickets. Just make a hot album and folks will flock. She's a legend. She's played this tour game many times. She needs to use the media to her advantage this time out to fill seats. Many things are working in her favor. She can become the comeback kid with this LP if Jam, Lewis & Dupri pull out the guns and they get it to #1. Plus, 2006 coincides with the 20th anniversary of her breakthrough record "Control." Her team can use that to their advantage. They're already planning an upcoming Control re-release. Just like MTV Icon and the AFY single helped put her album at #1 in '01, she needs to actually UTILIZE these things and remind the general non-fanatic public why people fell in love with her in the first place. I went to the TVR and AFY tours and enjoyed them both. I hope to go to multiple tour dates come the next tour. That's going to be my personal mission.

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JANFAN4L said:

if you believe it had anything to do with the election, you're sadly mistaken. she fucked up. she knew it. and then she put out a crap album nobody wanted to hear/buy. what's the point in touring for it? it didn't help Madonna sell American Life, and it wouldn't help Janet. the election excuse is a cop-out. the real reason is that they feared there would be very little demand for tickets, further embarrassing her.

Tessa said:

You need to keep reading my response, player. Yours came much too quickly. Shows you're not reading for comprehension.

i just don't think Janet is good live.


i'm sorry.

JANFAN4L said:

sorry, didn't feel like i needed to waste my time. my bad

Tessa said:

Way to go, with the comeback... err-umph.

Tessa said:

I think the "postponement" of the DJ tour was a result of a number of things. First, according to some stuff her choreographer said, Janet was just plain tired after the promo-tour. She just felt like she worked as hard as she ever worked BEFORE the main tour, but the public couldn't get past "the incident." From what he said, she was really disappointed that her efforts were not as well-received coz she was fighting this uphill battle. Second,as far as the incident itself, I don't want to debate the issue, but I accept Janet's explanation and apology. What more could she do, whether or not the "reveal" of her breast was planned or not? So what's done is done as far as that goes. But there was NO WAY that Janet could have predicted the public's over-reaction. The public's hissy-fit was just plain silly, but that unfortunately had an impact, too. So of course the conservatives used the public "outcry" in their favor. And if Janet had toured, that would have been another obstacle for her to overcome plus the conservative would have just continued to use her as a scapegoat even more. Finally, Damita Jo just didn't have the impact that it could have had. I really liked the cd, but the first couple of releases just didn't create a enough excitement or buzz for the public to support Janet or her art. Then not directly related to Damita Jo, I'm sure that Janet was also thinking about Michael's trial and her family, so all of the preceding factors plus this reality made canceling the tour a pretty easy decision.

All of this is in the past now, though. And I do love Janet, so there are bigger and brighter things to come her way. I'm sure of it.
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Rhondab said:

are you serious????
how could that be? she doesn't sing every song live, if that's what youre talking about...but when she is singing for real she's on key and sounds good IMO. and her stage presence, dancing, intensity, passion, attitude--she's like the ultimate entertainer. i think her performance quality EVEN outdoes Madonna and her brother Michael.

badujunkie said:

People who say that are usually ones who have seen VERY little footage of or experienced no live shows from those two at their peaks.

Ellie said:

oh hells no you did NOT question my experience with MJ and Madonna.

I'm a huge fan of BOTH and have seen all of their solo tours either live or on TV and know their albums backward and forward as well as videos. sorry. it's called OPINION and i love all 3 so get off the MJ high horse. he didn't invent the art of live performance and while i love him to pieces...he lip synchs more than the other two.

See, you just said right there, he lip synchs more than the other two. So then that means you've seen his last two tours and not the 20 years of touring before that. Ever seen the Triumph tour on DVD?

I tend to lose Janet on stage amongst her dancers. They're better than she is. Plus, she tends to re-record her vocals and mime to new ones so it appears live, or just sing live over the recordings. I saw the Rhythm Nation tour a while ago and I don't even think she sang a single song live.
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badujunkie said:

uninterested in rehashin' music videos as stage performances.....

boring...same thing over and over....

Rhondab said:

the three tours i saw were practically carbon copies. i love janet jackson..so most likely i'll see the next tour. but she really needs to do a completely different show. the video to stage thing is predictable and boring; the let's see who i'm gonna pull on stage (which i hear the person is someone she knows or pre-selected through her crew), show off abs, sweaty weaves, call the dancers 'kids', etc.. .. she puts on a good show..but it's still predictable.

Rhondab said:

I agree that Janet gets lots.

She doesn't try to stand out. The dancers are on all the time, except when doing slow songs, and too many pryotechincs are distracting.

I firmly believe she can. It's not wrong for Janet or any other performer not to tour for an album but who know what her reasons were. She's said that she doesn't like to tour so with the mess of the Superbowl, it might have given her that excuse to not tour but I don't know. If and when she does decide to tour again, I believe she'll do what she does best, kick ass and I will make it a point to see her for the first time when she does.

People were still all hung up on "Boobgate". A tour soon after would not have been a success. Jesus freakers and God sqautters (with the media assiting) would have, for the first time, probably have succesffully hurt a pop act! She can tour with that behind her for the next Cd...and hopefully she will listen to fans and change it up!

Chico319 said:

I think it's her crew who selects the guy. One of my [very camp, gay] friends was being eyed up and nearly got picked on TVR tour, but apparently the crew suddenly spotted some really ugly freakish guy with tattoos and like 100 piercings on his face and picked him. He saw them all joking about like they picked him as a joke for Janet.

badujunkie said:

You never know. A Phoenix can still rise from the ashes right.
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Ellie said:

Weird. At one show one of the guys that got picked I met later on. He was so clearly gay and joked of wanting to be her more than wanting to be with her.

Another time before the show started, I saw Rene talking and joking with the same guy who later got pulled up on stage.

Isel said:

Janet's an incredible live performer. There is so much energy and movement in a single Janet show. It's amazing the woman can pull it off for months (even years on end) all over the world. I think back to when P!nk was performing a dance tribute to Janet on the MTV Icon special. After learning and perfecting the choreography to Rhythm Nation she said, "that was the hardest I ever danced in my life." That would be draining to work so hard for a tour that you know will be criticized. She is a human being. No one could pull off a tour given all that and maintain a level head amidst it all, you'd breakdown.



Something had to have been said. She couldn't just be mum. That would've permanently damaged her career. Janet, Madonna, Michael, etc. are part of a machine. If you want to continue to be relevant on the pop map YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME. Janet apologized to anyone that was "hurt" by it and she genuinely meant that. It was intended to be "something to talk about" yet it spiralled out of control and turned out not as anticipated. She did the best she could do given all the chaos that surrounded her at that moment.



Exactly. Well said, too. Detractors love to argue that "durh, her tours suck and Damita Jo was wack dat's why she didn't on tour." Please. The election WAS a valid reason NOT to tour in 2004. Why be the subject of political scrutiny even further by going out on tour. Like I said before, anyone given all of that fallout from the Super Bowl would have a pretty big hill to climb. You'd have to be Wonder Woman to pull off a successful tour given all Janet went through in 2004.



I agree. I think there was a bad call with singles choices. "All Nite (Don't Stop)" should've been first. "Just A Little While" could've been released, but later down the road. Nevertheless, it's all in the past. 2006 is going to be a good year for Janet and I'm optimistic in that.

JANFAN4L said:

I just wish the Cd were coming out sooner. But I highly doubted a Janet CD coming out a year after she just released one. I can't imagine her repeating any mistakes. This new single is going to be great.

SassyBritches said:

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Let's not live in the land of make believe. Janet can't sell out venues. I think it due to the lip sync nosense and the fact that she has not toured that much.

laurarichardson said:

VinnyM27 said:

They secretly tested one of her new songs at a dance club in L.A. earlier this month.

She can mount me.