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PrintableThe cynicism amongst people these days is ridiculously high. Shows like "Best Week Ever" help promote this mentality, although most people do just fine with it on their own. Artists don't have to justify their art to anyone. Part of being an artist is the freedom to make vague statements and leave them to interpretation by the listener/reader/viewer. Prince has made a career of this. Erykah is no different from any other artist in that she exploits her surroundings to progress. Most people have no problems with this as long as the "artist" doesn't become "too successful". Puffy did it; Master P. did it. (at this level is usually when people call bullshit on the "artist" in question) Many artists do it. Its not a determining factor in one's abilities as an artist, but rather a demonstration of what one is willing to do to overcome their circumstances (in the case of most artists, its being broke) and try to ensure that they don't end up right back where they started. It seemed like ButterSoul didn't care much for Erykah in the first place and was waiting for an opportunity to put her on blast.
Honestly, I was LMBAO at Erykah's little backslaps, like when she indirectly called her a "frustrated artist". I would probably have issue with any sista who has issue with a black artist who says "fuck the police". If you're a black woman and are completely unaware of the history of our people and our history with the police in general, then its ALMOST understandable...that would make you either extremely sheltered or retardrd, so it would be understandable. ButterSoul seemed to be a bit contradicting in that in some posts she would speak of black peoples' struggles and in others she would clown Erykah for her "fuck the police" statement. Artists are exactly what they are - artists. Sometimes they are entertaining; sometimes thought provoking. Sometimes they "pimp the hood" like ButterSoul said. The solution is always the same and its always simple: If you are not feeling what they are saying, keep it moving. Nowadays it seems its not enough to do that, but people have to be deconstructed completely if someone is not in total agreement with them or their opinions or their expressions. That's why I don't really fuck with okayplayer that much. There are some very intelligent and creative brothers and sisters over there, but they are usually feeling themselves way too much for me to even want to participate in general convo with them. That happens here too, sometimes - but I AIN'T NEVA SKERRED!  
I think it got a little out of hand, but I came in midway of the convo, so I could just be failing to see the full extent of the topic. I can think of a lot of other artists to put on blast besids Erykah Badu, but that's just me.  | |
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"fuck the police"??? who does she think she's gonna call when someone busts into her mansion? a fucking hippy? or a black panther? get a clue. "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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BlaqueKnight said: The cynicism amongst people these days is ridiculously high. Shows like "Best Week Ever" help promote this mentality, although most people do just fine with it on their own. Artists don't have to justify their art to anyone. Part of being an artist is the freedom to make vague statements and leave them to interpretation by the listener/reader/viewer. Prince has made a career of this. Erykah is no different from any other artist in that she exploits her surroundings to progress. Most people have no problems with this as long as the "artist" doesn't become "too successful". Puffy did it; Master P. did it. (at this level is usually when people call bullshit on the "artist" in question) Many artists do it. Its not a determining factor in one's abilities as an artist, but rather a demonstration of what one is willing to do to overcome their circumstances (in the case of most artists, its being broke) and try to ensure that they don't end up right back where they started. It seemed like ButterSoul didn't care much for Erykah in the first place and was waiting for an opportunity to put her on blast.
Honestly, I was LMBAO at Erykah's little backslaps, like when she indirectly called her a "frustrated artist". I would probably have issue with any sista who has issue with a black artist who says "fuck the police". If you're a black woman and are completely unaware of the history of our people and our history with the police in general, then its ALMOST understandable...that would make you either extremely sheltered or retardrd, so it would be understandable. ButterSoul seemed to be a bit contradicting in that in some posts she would speak of black peoples' struggles and in others she would clown Erykah for her "fuck the police" statement. Artists are exactly what they are - artists. Sometimes they are entertaining; sometimes thought provoking. Sometimes they "pimp the hood" like ButterSoul said. The solution is always the same and its always simple: If you are not feeling what they are saying, keep it moving. Nowadays it seems its not enough to do that, but people have to be deconstructed completely if someone is not in total agreement with them or their opinions or their expressions. That's why I don't really fuck with okayplayer that much. There are some very intelligent and creative brothers and sisters over there, but they are usually feeling themselves way too much for me to even want to participate in general convo with them. That happens here too, sometimes - but I AIN'T NEVA SKERRED!
I think it got a little out of hand, but I came in midway of the convo, so I could just be failing to see the full extent of the topic. I can think of a lot of other artists to put on blast besids Erykah Badu, but that's just me.  Well Said BK Baby.Once again, you took the words right out of Legs mouth which happens on rare occasions. The vibe over at Okayplayer is trip and I'm glad that you spoke on it b/c I knew that it just wasn't me. | |
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GrayKing said: "fuck the police"??? who does she think she's gonna call when someone busts into her mansion? a fucking hippy? or a black panther? get a clue.
Who's she gonna call when some cop recognizes her on the street and decides to give her a bogus ticket, plant drugs, or whatever or decides to fuck with her just because she's a celeb and they feel like they want to show her that she "ain't no better than nobody else"? The hypothetical works both ways. LAPD just shot a 19 month old. What do you think the Aunts, Uncles, sisters, brothers, friends of the family of that little baby are saying? FUCK THE POLICE. There's your clue. [Edited 7/25/05 0:10am] | |
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MsLegs said: Well Said BK Baby.Once again, you took the words right out of Legs mouth which happens on rare occasions. that IS rare, unless the words being taken are "  " or "i agree!"  "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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GrayKing said: MsLegs said: Well Said BK Baby.Once again, you took the words right out of Legs mouth which happens on rare occasions. that IS rare, unless the words being taken are " " or "i agree!" Okay, Gary don't start no shit. It's unfortuante that nobody can ever agree with your ass b/c everything you have to say is useless bullshit unfortuantely. So stop drinking Haterade  | |
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BlaqueKnight said: GrayKing said: "fuck the police"??? who does she think she's gonna call when someone busts into her mansion? a fucking hippy? or a black panther? get a clue.
Who's she gonna call when some cop recognizes her on the street and decides to give her a bogus ticket, plant drugs, or whatever or decides to fuck with her just because she's a celeb and they feel like they want to show her that she "ain't no better than nobody else"? The hypothetical works both ways. LAPD just shot a 19 month old. What do you think the Aunts, Uncles, sisters, brothers, friends of the family of that little baby are saying? FUCK THE POLICE. There's your clue. [Edited 7/25/05 0:10am]  Speak On That Shit!  | |
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BlaqueKnight said: GrayKing said: "fuck the police"??? who does she think she's gonna call when someone busts into her mansion? a fucking hippy? or a black panther? get a clue.
Who's she gonna call when some cop recognizes her on the street and decides to give her a bogus ticket, plant drugs, or whatever or decides to fuck with her just because she's a celeb and they feel like they want to show her that she "ain't no better than nobody else"? The hypothetical works both ways. LAPD just shot a 19 month old. What do you think the Aunts, Uncles, sisters, brothers, friends of the family of that little baby are saying? FUCK THE POLICE. There's your clue. [Edited 7/25/05 0:10am] the aunts, uncles, sisters, brothers, and friends of the family should be saying "don't take the baby with you when you blast out the front door and start shooting at the cops" "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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GrayKing said: the aunts, uncles, sisters, brothers, and friends of the family should be saying "don't take the baby with you when you blast out the front door and start shooting at the cops" Oh, so you think its okay to fire over 100 rounds in the direction of or even in the immediate vacinity of children? I see what kind of We're getting off topic. 
There, back on topic! | |
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Alright, I'm no moderator but I guess we're close to waking them up here.
Let's talk about Erykah's funny little side notes. | |
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GrayKing said: MsLegs said: Well Said BK Baby.Once again, you took the words right out of Legs mouth which happens on rare occasions. that IS rare, unless the words being taken are " " or "i agree!" Are y'all feudin'?  I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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yeah....agreed Bk.
I like okayplayer if only for the activist board and the interesting discussions. Some are a bit idealistic but its all good. | |
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GrayKing said: BlaqueKnight said: Who's she gonna call when some cop recognizes her on the street and decides to give her a bogus ticket, plant drugs, or whatever or decides to fuck with her just because she's a celeb and they feel like they want to show her that she "ain't no better than nobody else"? The hypothetical works both ways. LAPD just shot a 19 month old. What do you think the Aunts, Uncles, sisters, brothers, friends of the family of that little baby are saying? FUCK THE POLICE. There's your clue. [Edited 7/25/05 0:10am] the aunts, uncles, sisters, brothers, and friends of the family should be saying "don't take the baby with you when you blast out the front door and start shooting at the cops" ----- Once again total crap from Gary. Try living in the real world for a change. Those cops were total asses for killing that kid. They could have taken the Dad out with tear gas, rubber bullets or used a sniper. No reason to kill that baby and let's not live in a fantasy world nothing is going to happen to those cops. As long as black and brown people are getting killed no one cares. Just take a look at the news coverage of the war. | |
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laurarichardson said: GrayKing said: the aunts, uncles, sisters, brothers, and friends of the family should be saying "don't take the baby with you when you blast out the front door and start shooting at the cops" ----- Once again total crap from Gary. Try living in the real world for a change. Those cops were total asses for killing that kid. They could have taken the Dad out with tear gas, rubber bullets or used a sniper. No reason to kill that baby and let's not live in a fantasy world nothing is going to happen to those cops. As long as black and brown people are getting killed no one cares. Just take a look at the news coverage of the war. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: GrayKing said: the aunts, uncles, sisters, brothers, and friends of the family should be saying "don't take the baby with you when you blast out the front door and start shooting at the cops" Oh, so you think its okay to fire over 100 rounds in the direction of or even in the immediate vacinity of children? I see what kind of We're getting off topic. the guy took people hostage, and busted out the door guns blazing at the cops. what are they supposed to do? btw, flame reported. "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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laurarichardson said: GrayKing said: the aunts, uncles, sisters, brothers, and friends of the family should be saying "don't take the baby with you when you blast out the front door and start shooting at the cops" ----- Once again total crap from Gary. Try living in the real world for a change. Those cops were total asses for killing that kid. They could have taken the Dad out with tear gas, rubber bullets or used a sniper. No reason to kill that baby and let's not live in a fantasy world nothing is going to happen to those cops. As long as black and brown people are getting killed no one cares. Just take a look at the news coverage of the war. as long as black and brown people keep taking hostages and shooting at the cops, then no, no one cares if they get killed. same with white people. "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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CalhounSq said: GrayKing said: that IS rare, unless the words being taken are " " or "i agree!" Are y'all feudin'?me? no. not at all. just stating the obvious "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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GrayKing said: CalhounSq said: Are y'all feudin'?me? no. not at all. just stating the obvious Just stating the obvious bullshit when you need an enema    | |
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Hotlegs said: GrayKing said: me? no. not at all. just stating the obvious Just stating the obvious bullshit when you need an enema clever girl  "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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Im ridin with Badu. She's from my city.  | |
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only in america would people blame the police for doing their job and defend the person who caused the situation. | |
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GrayKing said:[quote] BlaqueKnight said: the guy took people hostage, and busted out the door guns blazing at the cops. what are they supposed to do? btw, flame reported. Within a city that claims to have the most sophisticated SWAT team in the country, bean bag guns, tazers and crack shot snipers, I bet they could have thought of something other than baby killing. Like I said, its easy to take that stance when its not your kid being put in a box, ism't it? btw, nobody likes a SNITCH. | |
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SassyBritches said: only in america would people blame the police for doing their job and defend the person who caused the situation.
Who? The kid? Since that was the only side taken. I guess only in America would people not give a damn if a kid is slain as long as "justice" is served. It takes a sick individual to be that cold. People like that don't deserve to hold a badge. So there are times whe the words FUCK THE POLICE are in order, like in the 60s when they sprayed blacks with water hoses just because we were trying to stand up for equal rights. Only a naive person would believe that cops are "special" and incapable of commiting wrongdoings. If that were true, there'd be no Bureau of Internal Affairs. A third of the cops on the force are there because they couldn't pass the fireman's test anyway. [Edited 7/25/05 22:17pm] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: SassyBritches said: only in america would people blame the police for doing their job and defend the person who caused the situation.
Who? The kid? Since that was the only side taken. I guess only in America would people not give a damn if a kid is slain as long as "justice" is served. It takes a sick individual to be that cold. People like that don't deserve to hold a badge. So there are times whe the words FUCK THE POLICE are in order, like in the 60s when they sprayed blacks with water hoses just because we were trying to stand up for equal rights. Only a naive person would believe that cops are "special" and incapable of commiting wrongdoings. If that were true, there'd be no Bureau of Internal Affairs. A third of the cops on the force are there because they couldn't pass the fireman's test anyway. [Edited 7/25/05 22:17pm] many cops are crooked. many cops are not. all cops are human and prone to bad judgement. i seriouly doubt that the police involved set out to kill a child and to assume that is to also insult all of the officers - black, white, and otherwise - who do take justice seriously. i'm not amazed, surprised, or shocked by the out cry from citizens. i would expect as much and would be worried if no one voiced any concern. what i'm unable to comprehend is why ONLY the police are being held responsible for this tragedy and NOT the man who put the infant in danger! i keep seeing "fuck the police" or whatever but i'm not seeing anyone say "fuck the irresponsible parents." what gives? are we so out of touch with individual responsibility that we overlook the fact that this whole scenario would not have come to pass if this man did not USE HIS CHILD AS A SHIELD!!! so, yes, only in america do we blame law enforcement rather than he who instigated the event. | |
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SassyBritches said: many cops are crooked. many cops are not. all cops are human and prone to bad judgement. i seriouly doubt that the police involved set out to kill a child and to assume that is to also insult all of the officers - black, white, and otherwise - who do take justice seriously. i'm not amazed, surprised, or shocked by the out cry from citizens. i would expect as much and would be worried if no one voiced any concern. what i'm unable to comprehend is why ONLY the police are being held responsible for this tragedy and NOT the man who put the infant in danger! i keep seeing "fuck the police" or whatever but i'm not seeing anyone say "fuck the irresponsible parents." what gives? are we so out of touch with individual responsibility that we overlook the fact that this whole scenario would not have come to pass if this man did not USE HIS CHILD AS A SHIELD!!! so, yes, only in america do we blame law enforcement rather than he who instigated the event. Who said he used his child as a sheild? The police via the media. If the organization is under suspicion for wrongdoing, then anything said about an incident during that time has to be taken with skepticism. You can't trust an organization with the foul history of the LAPD to be truthful. Well, if you're naive enough you can, I suppose. I'm not that damn blind. Regular citizens GO TO JAIL for accidentally killing innocent people. I guess the police are supposed to get a "kill baby" pass when they act irresponsibly and impatiently. Whateva.  Some people will believe anything. YOU DON'T KILL BABIES. NO EXCUSES. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: SassyBritches said: many cops are crooked. many cops are not. all cops are human and prone to bad judgement. i seriouly doubt that the police involved set out to kill a child and to assume that is to also insult all of the officers - black, white, and otherwise - who do take justice seriously. i'm not amazed, surprised, or shocked by the out cry from citizens. i would expect as much and would be worried if no one voiced any concern. what i'm unable to comprehend is why ONLY the police are being held responsible for this tragedy and NOT the man who put the infant in danger! i keep seeing "fuck the police" or whatever but i'm not seeing anyone say "fuck the irresponsible parents." what gives? are we so out of touch with individual responsibility that we overlook the fact that this whole scenario would not have come to pass if this man did not USE HIS CHILD AS A SHIELD!!! so, yes, only in america do we blame law enforcement rather than he who instigated the event. Who said he used his child as a sheild? The police via the media. If the organization is under suspicion for wrongdoing, then anything said about an incident during that time has to be taken with skepticism. You can't trust an organization with the foul history of the LAPD to be truthful. Well, if you're naive enough you can, I suppose. I'm not that damn blind. Regular citizens GO TO JAIL for accidentally killing innocent people. I guess the police are supposed to get a "kill baby" pass when they act irresponsibly and impatiently. Whateva. Some people will believe anything. YOU DON'T KILL BABIES. NO EXCUSES. you're absolutely correct, blaqueknight, the police and the media could be lying. they could also be telling the truth. regardless, the man robbed a store while holding his infant child. why do YOU think he went into the store the with the infant in one arm and a gun in the other? wouldn't the robbery have been easier without the extra baggage? well, maybe...but what if the extra baggage was planned extra baggage? these are all assumptions and none of us will know proper truth (at least not for quite a while). i am in full agreement with you when you say, "YOU DON'T KILL BABIES. NO EXCUSES." i am not in agreement with you, however, when you demonstrate such selectivity in what you believe from the media. do you believe media delivered statistics on poverty? do you believe the media when their claims DON'T give the police "an excuse?" why would you believe them sometimes and not others? what are the qualifiers for those stories you DO believe? | |
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SassyBritches said: you're absolutely correct, blaqueknight, the police and the media could be lying. they could also be telling the truth. regardless, the man robbed a store while holding his infant child. why do YOU think he went into the store the with the infant in one arm and a gun in the other? wouldn't the robbery have been easier without the extra baggage? well, maybe...but what if the extra baggage was planned extra baggage? these are all assumptions and none of us will know proper truth (at least not for quite a while). i am in full agreement with you when you say, "YOU DON'T KILL BABIES. NO EXCUSES." i am not in agreement with you, however, when you demonstrate such selectivity in what you believe from the media. do you believe media delivered statistics on poverty? do you believe the media when their claims DON'T give the police "an excuse?" why would you believe them sometimes and not others? what are the qualifiers for those stories you DO believe? Do you read? Of course you do. Did you read the initial report of how they handled the situation? Duh...let's throw tear gas in a room with an infant and go in gunning...maybe no one will get hit. Common sense. My selective beliefs fit the situation. I'm not talking about other incidents. You want to trust the police, so you are speaking with belief. I'm just calling it like I see it. You are trying to make it sound like its a far stretch to believe that the police may have lied about the circumstances of the situation. That's unrealistic. When a known bank robber robs a bank and says he didn't. Is it far fetched to think that he's lying? When the LAPD, an agency WELL KNOWN for its corruption makes a statement that sounds as if they acted properly (if you can believe throwing in gas and running in shooting is proper) with no proof other than an extremely fuzzy pic that looks like he was holding the baby on his hip, then maybe...just maybe, some skepticism should be expected. You've made up your mind and sided with the baby killers. They may not have gone in with the intention of killing her, but THEY DID. You can't change that with media spin. A baby is dead. Its her stepfather's fault for taking her and the police's fault for killing her. I'm sure he was thinking "they would never shoot at a kid". How wrong he was. Dead wrong. Unfortunately, so is she. That is why artists say FUCK THE POLICE. [Edited 7/26/05 0:03am] | |
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BK is on point. Yeah, it was the stepfather's fault for getting the baby killed, but since when do police shoot at criminal while he's holding a baby (or an innocent victim or a hostage)? Unless maybe they have a sharp aim at the criminal, but other than that, thats unheard of. There's no excuse and no reason for tryin to even defend the police for that shit. Im surprise it didnt ignite another riot. [Edited 7/26/05 0:21am] | |
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BlaqueKnight said:[quote] GrayKing said: BlaqueKnight said: the guy took people hostage, and busted out the door guns blazing at the cops. what are they supposed to do? btw, flame reported. Within a city that claims to have the most sophisticated SWAT team in the country, bean bag guns, tazers and crack shot snipers, I bet they could have thought of something other than baby killing. Like I said, its easy to take that stance when its not your kid being put in a box, ism't it? btw, nobody likes a SNITCH. what part of "the man came out the door shooting at them" don't you understand? they're just supposed to stand there and be target practice for some nut that just took a house full of people hostage? sorry that the baby died, and i don't mean to be too crass in saying this... but shit happens. alright? and you still didn't answer my question: who's Ms. Badu gonna call when someone breaks into her mansion and steals her big screen TV? "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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