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Printablejw1914 said: jw1914 said: If you have not listened to the first Funkadelic albums w/Eddie Hazel, then you can not make a fair comparison.
I personally dug Funkadelic by far over Parliament. Early Funkadelic(w/Eddie Hazel) and later Funkadelic(without Eddie Hazel) I see as two very different bands. When the real talented singers in the P Funk camp left (Fuzzy, Grady and Ray) Funkadelic's as well as Parliament's original sound suffered greatly. If you don't believe me listen to "The goose" off of the early Parliament album and "Cosmic Slop" off of the early Funkadelic album and then show me any later song by either act that can compare. I beleive many of you have never heard any early stuff by ParliFunkadelicment Thang. Go listen and then come back and comment. Correction it was Fuzzy, Grady and Calvin that left Ray stayed on. Later both Grady and Ray played with George until the late 90's. | |
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jw1914 said: But when George took on a more 'up front' role in the vocal writing for the camp, the songs became cartoonishly silly. No longer were the social issues of the time incorporated in the lyrical context of their music (ex."March to the Witch's Castle", "America Eats it's Young"), no George was too busy being "Knee Deep" in being an "Atomic Dogg".
Come on yall, "Aqua Boogie"? Dat sh*t just down right sucks. Many of those lyrics you consider "silly" are social commentary if you dig deep enough. Have you ever listened to the lyrics of Aqua Boogie? It ain't just about cartoons. Well hidden social commentary. Much of his work is like that. On the surface it seems stoopid but if you dig deeper you see where he's coming from. | |
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Thumparello said: jw1914 said: When the real talented singers in the P Funk camp left (Fuzzy, Grady and Ray) Funkadelic's as well as Parliament's original sound suffered greatly. If you don't believe me listen to "The goose" off of the early Parliament album and "Cosmic Slop" off of the early Funkadelic album and then show me any later song by either act that can compare. I beleive many of you have never heard any early stuff by ParliFunkadelicment Thang. Go listen and then come back and comment. Correction it was Fuzzy, Grady and Calvin that left Ray stayed on. Later both Grady and Ray played with George until the late 90's. I was gonna point out that Ray stayed also, Into You from One Nation | |
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 a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on | |
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Stax said:  "We're Gaining On Ya."   | |
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MsLegs said: "We're Gaining On Ya."   a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on | |
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Stax said: My favorite from this album would be "Ride On". | |
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Thumparello said: jw1914 said: But when George took on a more 'up front' role in the vocal writing for the camp, the songs became cartoonishly silly. No longer were the social issues of the time incorporated in the lyrical context of their music (ex."March to the Witch's Castle", "America Eats it's Young"), no George was too busy being "Knee Deep" in being an "Atomic Dogg".
Come on yall, "Aqua Boogie"? Dat sh*t just down right sucks. Many of those lyrics you consider "silly" are social commentary if you dig deep enough. Have you ever listened to the lyrics of Aqua Boogie? It ain't just about cartoons. Well hidden social commentary. Much of his work is like that. On the surface it seems stoopid but if you dig deeper you see where he's coming from. Ndeed! from "Aqua Boogie": " With The Rhythm It Takes to dance to what We Have To Live Through, You could dance Underwater and Not Get Wet..." it's not as overt as it used to be, but the messages are still there, you just have to go deeper... from "Give Up The Funk(Tear The Roof Of The Sucka)" : "Just Let us in, We'll Turn That Mutha Out"...shoot, think of Tiger Woods in golf, Venus and Serena in tennis, places where blacks were'nt always represented or welcome ...just let 'em in, and "We'll Turn That Mutha' Out!" .... " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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paligap said: Thumparello said: Many of those lyrics you consider "silly" are social commentary if you dig deep enough. Have you ever listened to the lyrics of Aqua Boogie? It ain't just about cartoons. Well hidden social commentary. Much of his work is like that. On the surface it seems stoopid but if you dig deeper you see where he's coming from. Ndeed! from "Aqua Boogie": " With The Rhythm It Takes to dance to what We Have To Live Through, You could dance Underwater and Not Get Wet..." it's not as overt as it used to be, but the messages are still there, you just have to go deeper... from "Give Up The Funk(Tear The Roof Of The Sucka)" : "Just Let us in, We'll Turn That Mutha Out"...shoot, think of Tiger Woods in golf, Venus and Serena in tennis, places where blacks were'nt always represented or welcome ...just let 'em in, and "We'll Turn That Mutha' Out!" .... I guess it's a bit like looking into the clouds or an abstract painting, you can find and see whatever you want to see with mind altering drugs. Yeah deep, real deep. | |
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jw1914 said: paligap said: Ndeed! from "Aqua Boogie": " With The Rhythm It Takes to dance to what We Have To Live Through, You could dance Underwater and Not Get Wet..." it's not as overt as it used to be, but the messages are still there, you just have to go deeper... from "Give Up The Funk(Tear The Roof Of The Sucka)" : "Just Let us in, We'll Turn That Mutha Out"...shoot, think of Tiger Woods in golf, Venus and Serena in tennis, places where blacks were'nt always represented or welcome ...just let 'em in, and "We'll Turn That Mutha' Out!" .... I guess it's a bit like looking into the clouds or an abstract painting, you can find and see whatever you want to see with mind altering drugs. Yeah deep, real deep. George Clinton himself has pointed out these lyrics. and do you think they weren't dealing with mind-altering substances in early funkadelic? I think the idea with later Parliament is that you could get into it on any level you wanted...for those that wanted to just take part in the silliness, that was fine; if you wanted to go deeper, that level was there also... ... [Edited 8/10/05 9:26am] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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But then again it might just be me. I must admit, when I first got into P Funk, my listening pleasure had been altered by "Mary Jane" then later years when I cleaned up my act I found new P Funk music not so appealing, yet the old stuff I still cherished. Was I cherishing the "Mary Jane" experience? Naw I don't think so, my listening senses had become keener while P Funk's creativity had begun to diminish. Don't get me wrong I felt and still feel that in the later years of P Funk they were still better than the masses from the radio plantation, they just fell from the mighty funk throne in which they used to occupy. | |
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jw1914 said: But then again it might just be me. I must admit, when I first got into P Funk, my listening pleasure had been altered by "Mary Jane" then later years when I cleaned up my act I found new P Funk music not so appealing, yet the old stuff I still cherished. Was I cherishing the "Mary Jane" experience? Naw I don't think so, my listening senses had become keener while P Funk's creativity had begun to diminish. Don't get me wrong I felt and still feel that in the later years of P Funk they were still better than the masses from the radio plantation, they just fell from the mighty funk throne in which they used to occupy.
Yeah, there's no question that the returns began to diminish, from the mid- to late 70's on up...there were still some good concepts, and some great tunes here and there but yeah, the whole thing was definitely unraveling....although they picked up great musicians along the way, like Junie Morrison, Skeet Curtis, Blackbyrd Mcknight and later, Dennis Chambers, it wasn't enough to stop the overall slide... ... [Edited 8/10/05 9:20am] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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jw1914 said: Stax said: My favorite from this album would be "Ride On". I am partial to What Comes Funky. a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on | |
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paligap said: jw1914 said: But then again it might just be me. I must admit, when I first got into P Funk, my listening pleasure had been altered by "Mary Jane" then later years when I cleaned up my act I found new P Funk music not so appealing, yet the old stuff I still cherished. Was I cherishing the "Mary Jane" experience? Naw I don't think so, my listening senses had become keener while P Funk's creativity had begun to diminish. Don't get me wrong I felt and still feel that in the later years of P Funk they were still better than the masses from the radio plantation, they just fell from the mighty funk throne in which they used to occupy.
Yeah, there's no question that the returns began to diminish, from the mid- to late 70's on up...there were still some good concepts, and some great tunes here and there but yeah, the whole thing was definitely unraveling....although they picked up musicians like Junie Morrison, Skeet Curtis, and later, Dennis Chambers, it wasn't enough to stop the overall slide... ... [Edited 8/10/05 9:17am] we must be talking Gloryhallastoopid and Trombipulation era? Yeah everything fell apart, Electric Spanking had a few jams but none of it lived up to the P's past work. | |
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It is true that many artist and musicians that I have a great deal of respect for have been known to use mind altering drugs during the composing of some of their great songs. These moments when your mind is in that open state, a person can began to look at things in such a light that they never had before. [trust me, I've been there], the danger comes from prolong use of mind altering drugs, you become lazy(less work at polishing your craft, more reliance on the "open mind experience") simply look at the later works of the artist who abused drugs, Hendrix, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Gil Scott Heron, Whitney Houston and so many more.
It wasn't until I myself stepped out from among that experience could I see the difference in their music. I still listen to P Funk, I just don't light up before I do. | |
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Meloh9 said: paligap said: Yeah, there's no question that the returns began to diminish, from the mid- to late 70's on up...there were still some good concepts, and some great tunes here and there but yeah, the whole thing was definitely unraveling....although they picked up musicians like Junie Morrison, Skeet Curtis, and later, Dennis Chambers, it wasn't enough to stop the overall slide... we must be talking Gloryhallastoopid and Trombipulation era? Yeah everything fell apart, Electric Spanking had a few jams but none of it lived up to the P's past work. Yup, right around that period, Gloryhollastoopid-Trombipulation era. ... " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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jw1914 said: It is true that many artist and musicians that I have a great deal of respect for have been known to use mind altering drugs during the composing of some of their great songs. These moments when your mind is in that open state, a person can began to look at things in such a light that they never had before. [trust me, I've been there], the danger comes from prolong use of mind altering drugs, you become lazy(less work at polishing your craft, more reliance on the "open mind experience") simply look at the later works of the artist who abused drugs, Hendrix, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Gil Scott Heron, Whitney Houston and so many more.
It wasn't until I myself stepped out from among that experience could I see the difference in their music. I still listen to P Funk, I just don't light up before I do. Hendrix later work is some of his best in my opinion. Band Of Gypsys,and all the material from First Rays Of The New Rising Sun, message to love! that's my song | |
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jw1914 said: It is true that many artist and musicians that I have a great deal of respect for have been known to use mind altering drugs during the composing of some of their great songs. These moments when your mind is in that open state, a person can began to look at things in such a light that they never had before. [trust me, I've been there], the danger comes from prolong use of mind altering drugs, you become lazy(less work at polishing your craft, more reliance on the "open mind experience") simply look at the later works of the artist who abused drugs, Hendrix, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Gil Scott Heron, Whitney Houston and so many more.
It wasn't until I myself stepped out from among that experience could I see the difference in their music. I still listen to P Funk, I just don't light up before I do. True. the more they rely on that, the less cohesive the music becomes...eventually the drug takes over, and the music takes a back seat... ... " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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paligap said: jw1914 said: It is true that many artist and musicians that I have a great deal of respect for have been known to use mind altering drugs during the composing of some of their great songs. These moments when your mind is in that open state, a person can began to look at things in such a light that they never had before. [trust me, I've been there], the danger comes from prolong use of mind altering drugs, you become lazy(less work at polishing your craft, more reliance on the "open mind experience") simply look at the later works of the artist who abused drugs, Hendrix, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Gil Scott Heron, Whitney Houston and so many more.
It wasn't until I myself stepped out from among that experience could I see the difference in their music. I still listen to P Funk, I just don't light up before I do. True. the more they rely on that, the less cohesive the music becomes...eventually the drug takes over, and the music takes a back seat... ... I think with Funkadelic Parliament I think the business side of the whole thing is what soured the relationship with George and the band members which effected the sound as more and more members started to leave the group. I'm sure drugs played a part, but it seems like George could not keep track of who played on what, or either he could not or would not pay the band members. | |
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Meloh9 said: paligap said: True. the more they rely on that, the less cohesive the music becomes...eventually the drug takes over, and the music takes a back seat... ... I think with Funkadelic Parliament I think the business side of the whole thing is what soured the relationship with George and the band members which effected the sound as more and more members started to leave the group. I'm sure drugs played a part, but it seems like George could not keep track of who played on what, or either he could not or would not pay the band members. Oh I'm positive that was the case. Every former member of PFunk that I have spoken to expressed how dissatisfied they were with George and his treatment of them. George began to view that he was the sh*t, he was PFunk and no one else. | |
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jw1914 said: Meloh9 said: I think with Funkadelic Parliament I think the business side of the whole thing is what soured the relationship with George and the band members which effected the sound as more and more members started to leave the group. I'm sure drugs played a part, but it seems like George could not keep track of who played on what, or either he could not or would not pay the band members. Oh I'm positive that was the case. Every former member of PFunk that I have spoken to expressed how dissatisfied they were with George and his treatment of them. George began to view that he was the sh*t, he was PFunk and no one else. co sign everybody I run into from the Funk Mob tells the same story, even lesser known musicians who may have done a few shows with them, I was also told to "never give George a demo" | |
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Did any of you guys have the pleasure of seeing Eddie Hazel's road project he put together before he died? The band came to philly, I think (but don't quote me) they were called "The New Funkadelic", anyhow Eddie came with all these young black cats who looked as if they came straight out of a metal band, and they played all the very old Funkadelic songs. Eddie was feeling no pain although I'm sure his body was. Great concert!!! I'm glad I witnessed it!!! | |
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jw1914 said: Did any of you guys have the pleasure of seeing Eddie Hazel's road project he put together before he died? The band came to philly, I think (but don't quote me) they were called "The New Funkadelic", anyhow Eddie came with all these young black cats who looked as if they came straight out of a metal band, and they played all the very old Funkadelic songs. Eddie was feeling no pain although I'm sure his body was. Great concert!!! I'm glad I witnessed it!!!
I have heard soooo much about that show! That's how a friend of mine got to meet Eddie. I heard the place was packed and that Eddie and the boys put on a great show. I wish I was there. There are some MP3's floating around somwhere. [Edited 8/10/05 10:08am] | |
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Meloh9 said: jw1914 said: Did any of you guys have the pleasure of seeing Eddie Hazel's road project he put together before he died? The band came to philly, I think (but don't quote me) they were called "The New Funkadelic", anyhow Eddie came with all these young black cats who looked as if they came straight out of a metal band, and they played all the very old Funkadelic songs. Eddie was feeling no pain although I'm sure his body was. Great concert!!! I'm glad I witnessed it!!!
I have heard soooo much about that show! That's how a friend of mine got to meet Eddie. I heard the place was packed and that Eddie and the boys put on a great show. I wish I was there. There are some MP3's floating around somwhere. [Edited 8/10/05 10:08am] Yo, if you can find out any info on those MP3's holla back!!! | |
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jw1914 said: Did any of you guys have the pleasure of seeing Eddie Hazel's road project he put together before he died? The band came to philly, I think (but don't quote me) they were called "The New Funkadelic", anyhow Eddie came with all these young black cats who looked as if they came straight out of a metal band, and they played all the very old Funkadelic songs. Eddie was feeling no pain although I'm sure his body was. Great concert!!! I'm glad I witnessed it!!!
Yeah back then they would search you before you entered the club (Chestnut Caberet) so no one was allowed to bring any recorders or cameras. Man. do I wish that I was able to sneek one in. Eddie was blazing, sorta as if he knew his time was running out. R.I.P. Eddie | |
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Anybody seen a P Funk show lately? Please give me your take on the show. | |
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jw1914 said: Stax said: My favorite from this album would be "Ride On". that and Side Effects | |
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Meloh9 said: jw1914 said: My favorite from this album would be "Ride On". that and Side Effects "Those side effects,,," Man, Now I gotta put on the album[notCD], I forgotten how good that album was! [Edited 8/10/05 12:28pm] | |
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jw1914 said: Meloh9 said: that and Side Effects "Those side effects,,," Man, Now I gotta put on the album[notCD], I forgotten how good that album was! [Edited 8/10/05 12:28pm] Yeah I got the vinyl, and I can prove it. At the top righthand corner of the album cover ther appear these numbers,,,NBLP7014[b] [b][Edited 8/10/05 12:37pm] | |
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Meloh9 said: paligap said: True. the more they rely on that, the less cohesive the music becomes...eventually the drug takes over, and the music takes a back seat... ... I think with Funkadelic Parliament I think the business side of the whole thing is what soured the relationship with George and the band members which effected the sound as more and more members started to leave the group. I'm sure drugs played a part, but it seems like George could not keep track of who played on what, or either he could not or would not pay the band members. When you dealing with that many musicians it's really hard to keep everyone happy. Alot of jocking for position, money issues etc. It's still family though! When the money's right they will party. | |
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