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Reply #60 posted 07/17/05 2:41am

GeishaGirl

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OK, i may get roasted for this but here goes.....
I think working with Jimmy Jam & Terry at this stage keeps her inside the box. dont get me wrong, i loved everything from control to velvet rope, but along the way, from janet to the all for you album, it has letterally been a semi sequal to the previous alhum....she really need to get out of that box ...everything seems to sound so ninties to me. her sound needs to be "re-defined" i used to be waiting on pins and needles for the next janet disc, now i just wonder how much will jam & lewis keep her spinnin int he mud. ...just my opinion.....


I have mixed feelings about this. I like Janet's work with Jimmy and Terry but it feels like they've been repeating a similar formula since the success of the Janet CD. On the other hand Janet's work with other well-known producers has not been any better or different than what she does with Jimmy & Terry, so if she ever does get the nerve to leave Jimmy & Terry I would like to see her work with a producer who is not the flavor of the month and already all over the radio. Ultimately I don't mind her working with them again as long as they do something different this time. No more interludes, no more predictable over the top sex songs, better lyrics, stay true to who Janet is but be more creative. And Janet needs to include the good songs on her CD this time... Put Your Hands On, Who, Ask For More, Love Me etc. should have all been included on CD's and possibly released.
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Reply #61 posted 07/17/05 2:51am

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Who

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Chorus:
Who
Yeah who, I do
I be lovin' who
Yeah who
Ask who cares about you
I care about you

My love for you has got me goin' crazy
I thought we could possibly maybe
Get together and start something
No other person in this world
Could make me feel like a little shy girl
There's nothing I won't do for you

Bridge:
I'll comfort you, be kind to you
And I'll be strength to you
I'll sing to you, won't cling to you
In everything you do
I'll pamper you, won't hamper you
From all the things you wanna do
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With every silly mood
I'll fight for you, what's right for you
But all you really gotta know is

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When I'm around you become such a mess
Your tongue is tied, your weak confess
And it makes my spirit fly every time
Your love for me, I don't wanna change
Even though you can do and say some crazy things
There's nothing in this I wouldn't do for you

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Reply #62 posted 07/17/05 3:41am

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How about Michael working with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis also?


MJ should go back to the producer who made him a megastar.

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Reply #63 posted 07/17/05 4:17am

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NadiaAdare said:

Man, people slept on "Damita Jo". That album was fantastic! Had Janet just cut a few of the tracks (Damita Jo, Warmth, SloLove), it would've been seamless.


You named two of the better cuts on the Cd, in my opinion. Everyone thinks there is a different dream tracklisting of DJ and that is the problem with it but also the great thing about it. It has a little something for everybody but also something that some fans will just not like at all.
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Reply #64 posted 07/17/05 4:19am

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VinnyM27 said:

NadiaAdare said:

Man, people slept on "Damita Jo". That album was fantastic! Had Janet just cut a few of the tracks (Damita Jo, Warmth, SloLove), it would've been seamless.


You named two of the better cuts on the Cd, in my opinion. Everyone thinks there is a different dream tracklisting of DJ and that is the problem with it but also the great thing about it. It has a little something for everybody but also something that some fans will just not like at all.


the problem is that janet used to have albums where people argued about which songs were the best...

now we are arguing about which songs are the worst and shouldnt have been on the album.....that tells me AFY and Damita Jo were not worthy of her steller collection. Well, her collection used to be steller.
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Reply #65 posted 07/17/05 4:22am

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sosgemini said:

damito jo sucked...underrated my arse.....

and i love the whole "well, if you take out five of the songs, then the album will be good" mentality.....the album was released as it was...dreaming it wasnt aint gonna make the album any better.....



here's to janet acting like she aint a jackson again and releasing a steller album that "us normal folks" can relate to again.... thumbs up!


DJ was an OK CD. although probably more dissapointing than even A4Y, which was at least semi consistent. And while I have jumped on the "if edited" bandwagon, two of the better tracks are the Japanase outakes. They make it a slightly better CD...
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Reply #66 posted 07/17/05 4:24am

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ehuffnsd said:

SassyBritches said:

damita jo was simply a victim of circumstance. the record is - at worst - a decent release. i have friends that don't own any janet records (believe it or not, some people just never got into her, lol) and when they heard damita jo playing from my speakers they went out and bought it. don't stop, slolove, rnb junkie, spending time with you, island life, i want you, moist...these are great tracks! if just a little while had not been the first single (and, instead, don't stop or rnb junkie was), and had the press not been determined to tear her down, this would have been a massively successful cd.

either way, i look forward to a new janet cd! come on 2006...bring a new record and a TOUR!!!



i hope she comes up with New ideas for the Tour. the wonderland, zoot suit, military thing is tired.



I couldn't agree more. Of all those things, the zoo suit is the most tired! Somebody throw out that zoot suit...was "Alright" that great of a song? You should always sing "Pleasure Principle" and never do "Alright"!
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Reply #67 posted 07/17/05 4:31am

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JANFAN4L said:

squiddyren said:Out of curiosity, what do you think are the definite gems of "AFY"?


Most of the Jam & Lewis material is quality. The title track, Truth, Trust A Try (so should've been a single), Doesn't Really Matter (although I don't like the Rockwilder Mix that appears on this album, it's too choppy), STCML (even though I prefer the J&L Velvet Mix), You Ain't Right (that's some trouble-funk) and China Love.[/quote]

I really disagree with some of those tracks. "Trust A Try" is "You..Again" (if you know what I mean). "You Ain't Right" is a bit forced and has too many vocoder effects. Now "Feels So Right"...favorite song on there! Should have been a single although I don't think it would have been one of her bigger hits (definate Top 10 but not long lived). I also agree that Rockwilder wasn't all that nescarry and the new AFY mix of "Doesn't Really Matter" is messed up (I have alaways felt that it was altered not only appease Rockwilder and give him more money and producing credit for the disc but also because Def Jam paid so much for the original...notice the video doesn't appear on any Janet sets (or does it appear on "AFY DVD Edtion"?).
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Reply #68 posted 07/17/05 4:34am

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Ellie said:

Who the hell likes 'Moist'? dead

Damita Jo is a solid album to me. Well not totally, there are about 3 tracks I've left off my iPod, but only 3 in total from A4U that I bothered putting on there. A4U only has 'STCML', 'Trust A Try' and 'You Ain't Right' really. Everything else is completely dire.

Oh, and 'Doesn't Rally Matter' is IMO easily Janet's worst ever completely solo single. Her actual worst would be 'Feel It Boy'.


I like "Moist", but hate "Warmth". If you like one, you hate the other, it seems.

From AFY, I also like (besides the ones you mentioned):

Come On Get Up
When We Oooo
China Love
Son Of A Gun (the original, not the Missy remix)
Feels So Right
Better Days
[Edited 7/16/05 17:12pm]



Same here...everyone has a different dream tracklisting for the CD!
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Reply #69 posted 07/17/05 4:38am

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Ellie said:

Who the hell likes 'Moist'? dead


Oh, I LOVE "Moist", stupid title notwithstanding. When she's subtle (or as subtle as she can be), her sex kitten persona seems authentic. But when she's crass with shit like "Would You Mind" or "Warmth", that's when I think she sounds like a big fake.

Janet's going to have trouble, period. Mariah and Toni are oldheads with HITS out right now, but those ladies can SIIIING. Janet can hold a tune (I think she tends to use her voice as an instrument), but she can't really belt out a song like "We Belong Together" (which I HAAAAATE). And I'm not too sure she has another "Again" in her. She's too old (sorry, she is!) to be a dance star, even if she can still outdance every singer out there. And she has to GROW UP. Janet, we know you love sex. Okay, DAMN. Move on!


"Please" is a hit...I think Toni is still in trouble although the new album might do slitghly better than the last.

Janet might be too old be a dance star but not a dance music singer. See Cher and Donna Summer. If Janet did stuff like that, she might be able to get young people into dance again.
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Reply #70 posted 07/17/05 4:42am

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sosgemini said:

VinnyM27 said:



You named two of the better cuts on the Cd, in my opinion. Everyone thinks there is a different dream tracklisting of DJ and that is the problem with it but also the great thing about it. It has a little something for everybody but also something that some fans will just not like at all.


the problem is that janet used to have albums where people argued about which songs were the best...

now we are arguing about which songs are the worst and shouldnt have been on the album.....that tells me AFY and Damita Jo were not worthy of her steller collection. Well, her collection used to be steller.



I suppose I get what you mean although don't you think that even back in the day some people didn't like songs like "Alright" and "If" and would have cut them from the album? Yes, the CDs have gone down in quality but I don't think it means that she is hopeless. If Mariah can comeback...
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Reply #71 posted 07/17/05 5:06am

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This is a good thing. I like those guys.
Good move.
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Reply #72 posted 07/17/05 5:12am

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I like Jam & Lewis, too, their only flaw being they sample too much.
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Reply #73 posted 07/17/05 6:11am

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Agreed, but at leas they know how to SAMPLE, as opposed to "blatantly jack". *looks in Puff Daddy and Mary J. Blige's direction*
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Reply #74 posted 07/17/05 7:02am

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Sample or not. I'm anxious to see what they turn out. Hope its killa.
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Reply #75 posted 07/17/05 7:05am

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squiddyren said:

JANFAN4L said:



Same here.

AFY was such an of-the-moment album. That disc loses a lot of luster after repeat spins. It doesn't hold a candle next to warhorses like RN1814 or Control. I've played the s**t out of those albums and still spin them regularly. Same with TVR. Damita Jo was more consistently enjoyable and listenable than DJ.

H*ll, I even bump Dream Street more than AFY.


Out of curiosity, what do you think are the definite gems of "AFY"?


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U Aint Right
Feels So Right
All 4 U
Come On get Up
When We OOO

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Reply #76 posted 07/17/05 7:10am

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Ellie said:

Oh dear, I MAY have to re-think my appreciation for 'Like You Don't Love Me lol




U like Sexhibition but dont like "Like U Dont Love ME" which is even less sexual. ;confuse:
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Reply #77 posted 07/17/05 7:51am

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Ellie said:

Oh dear, I MAY have to re-think my appreciation for 'Like You Don't Love Me lol




U like Sexhibition but dont like "Like U Dont Love ME" which is even less sexual. ;confuse:

It's not the sexual element, but the stupid lyrics. Have you ever heard 'Pops Up'? What would possess anyone to write such rubbish? And I do like 'Like You Don't Love Me', it was a joke since I read the lyric to the song and saw things in there just as bad as the 'Thinkin Bout My Ex' bubble bath/"in the restaurant, eating" parts.
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Reply #78 posted 07/17/05 11:06am

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Like You Don't Love Me is the most underrated song on Damita Jo. I think it's great. Island Life the most overrated - I really can't listen to it at all, it's like an S Club Juniors B-Side reject. All the rest are just lovely (of course apart from Moist & Warmth :p )
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I've been a "Like You Don't Love Me" advocate since the CD dropped. Irresistible post-'90s R&B girl group groove. I swear it sounds like T-Boz is on the chorus.

"Island Life" grew on me after a few months. I didn't instantly like it.

"Looking For Love," although an interlude, really was a beautiful number and should've at least been used as theme music for the disc with it's own full track (a la "Livin' In A World"/"Livin'...In Complete Darkness" or "Come Back (Interlude)"/"Love Will Never Do (Without You)").
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Reply #79 posted 07/17/05 11:12am

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NadiaAdare said:



Oh, I LOVE "Moist", stupid title notwithstanding. When she's subtle (or as subtle as she can be), her sex kitten persona seems authentic. But when she's crass with shit like "Would You Mind" or "Warmth", that's when I think she sounds like a big fake.

Janet's going to have trouble, period. Mariah and Toni are oldheads with HITS out right now, but those ladies can SIIIING. Janet can hold a tune (I think she tends to use her voice as an instrument), but she can't really belt out a song like "We Belong Together" (which I HAAAAATE). And I'm not too sure she has another "Again" in her. She's too old (sorry, she is!) to be a dance star, even if she can still outdance every singer out there. And she has to GROW UP. Janet, we know you love sex. Okay, DAMN. Move on!



Toni Braxton is flopping. 'Please' is no hit.

And Mariah can't even belt out 'We Belong Together' without shitting bricks.

If Janet can still move, I don't see why she wouldn't be able to be a dance star.


Yep. If Tina can do "Proud Mary" in a little black dress and high heels well into her 60s then there's room for Janet to keep the fire burning and champion her style of dance well into her golden years.

You'd be surprised at which acts hold longevity and can keep it going. There's something classic and undeniable about it.
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Reply #80 posted 07/17/05 11:21am

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VinnyM27 said:

JANFAN4L said:

squiddyren said:

Out of curiosity, what do you think are the definite gems of "AFY"?


Most of the Jam & Lewis material is quality. The title track, Truth, Trust A Try (so should've been a single), Doesn't Really Matter (although I don't like the Rockwilder Mix that appears on this album, it's too choppy), STCML (even though I prefer the J&L Velvet Mix), You Ain't Right (that's some trouble-funk) and China Love.


I really disagree with some of those tracks. "Trust A Try" is "You..Again" (if you know what I mean). "You Ain't Right" is a bit forced and has too many vocoder effects. Now "Feels So Right"...favorite song on there! Should have been a single although I don't think it would have been one of her bigger hits (definate Top 10 but not long lived). I also agree that Rockwilder wasn't all that nescarry and the new AFY mix of "Doesn't Really Matter" is messed up (I have alaways felt that it was altered not only appease Rockwilder and give him more money and producing credit for the disc but also because Def Jam paid so much for the original...notice the video doesn't appear on any Janet sets (or does it appear on "AFY DVD Edtion"?).


Nah. I don't hear "You" out of TAT. I honestly don't. If anything, it could pass as a more poppier, sped up cousin of "What About."

"You Ain't Right" is a troubled, brooding track. The vocoder and choppiness actually make it shine for me. There's a disjointed quality to it which she pulls off great live.

"Feel So Right" is sh*te K-Mart shopper music. I can so hear that tune while walking with a shopping cart and kids about my basket whining.

All in all, AFY was too runny, most of it didn't stick. Rockwilder's A-*-* wasn't needed on the LP at all and only makes it seem more "of-the-moment." Where is that dude now? In the same flavor-of-the-month graveyard as Kevin "Shek'spere" Briggs (TLC, Destiny's Child), and Rodney Jerkins (Brandy, Toni Braxton).

It's funny, while Janet commissioned the Neptunes twice on two projects (AFY & DJ), they never make the final LP ("What It Is" and "Ruff" come to mind). Hate to be a gossip, but I think Jam & Lewis don't like the 'Tunes. boxed

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Reply #81 posted 07/17/05 12:15pm

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VinnyM27 said:

NadiaAdare said:



Oh, I LOVE "Moist", stupid title notwithstanding. When she's subtle (or as subtle as she can be), her sex kitten persona seems authentic. But when she's crass with shit like "Would You Mind" or "Warmth", that's when I think she sounds like a big fake.

Janet's going to have trouble, period. Mariah and Toni are oldheads with HITS out right now, but those ladies can SIIIING. Janet can hold a tune (I think she tends to use her voice as an instrument), but she can't really belt out a song like "We Belong Together" (which I HAAAAATE). And I'm not too sure she has another "Again" in her. She's too old (sorry, she is!) to be a dance star, even if she can still outdance every singer out there. And she has to GROW UP. Janet, we know you love sex. Okay, DAMN. Move on!


"Please" is a hit...I think Toni is still in trouble although the new album might do slitghly better than the last.

Janet might be too old be a dance star but not a dance music singer. See Cher and Donna Summer. If Janet did stuff like that, she might be able to get young people into dance again.


That isn't Janet's schtick, so she won't be following those paths (just standing on stage in 1 place while 50 glittery dancers swirl about). Anyway, a really good dancer has a long shelf life - Cyd Charisse, anyone?
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Reply #82 posted 07/17/05 12:16pm

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JANFAN4L said:

"Feel So Right" is sh*te K-Mart shopper music. I can so hear that tune while walking with a shopping cart and kids about my basket whining.


falloff

I love that track. It's a nice mellow groove. But still, there's an element of truth in what you're saying. lol
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Reply #83 posted 07/17/05 12:18pm

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JANFAN4L said:

It's funny, while Janet commissioned the Neptunes twice on two projects (AFY & DJ), they never make the final LP ("What It Is" and "Ruff" come to mind). Hate to be a gossip, but I think Jam & Lewis don't like the 'Tunes. boxed


Everything the Neptunes have ever done for her has completely sucked in Janet's eyes, I think. "Ruff" and "What It Is" haven't leaked, but their mixes of SOAG were absolutely terrible, so no wonder they weren't released.

Anyway, The Neptunes are soooo 2001.
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Reply #84 posted 07/17/05 1:59pm

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Dear Janet,

PLEASE no more breathy slow songs, huh? If you are working with Jam & Lewis again, how about bringing the funk this time and doing some serious singing and dancing? Listen to your "Control" album and see how you can one-up it and take-up where you left off, huh? I am begging you.
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Reply #85 posted 07/17/05 2:01pm

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Dear Jam and Lewis,

If you are working on a new Janet CD, PLEASE don't let her sing any breathy slow songs. Come on fells, really! Go back and listen to some of your more funky albums. Admit to yourselves that you were with the Time and were influenced by Prince. It's really okay to admit such things!
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Reply #86 posted 07/17/05 2:04pm

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Dear LaToya,

If Jam and Lewis are working with your sister Janet again, could you maybe sit-in on some sessions and LEARN something girl? WTF?!?!? Get some producers like them and maybe you can make hit records too!
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Reply #87 posted 07/17/05 3:08pm

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Dear Jam and Lewis,

If you are working on a new Janet CD, PLEASE don't let her sing any breathy slow songs. Come on fells, really! Go back and listen to some of your more funky albums. Admit to yourselves that you were with the Time and were influenced by Prince. It's really okay to admit such things!



ps...NO MORE FUCKING INTERLUDES!!! pissed
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Reply #88 posted 07/17/05 5:43pm

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AMEN! That totally ruined DJ for me, and made the disc too damned long. Except for "Country". That was just damned funny. I would've put that at the beginning of the disc (before "Damita Jo") and just been DONE with it.
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Reply #89 posted 07/17/05 6:03pm

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JANFAN4L said:

AFY was such an of-the-moment album. That disc loses a lot of luster after repeat spins. It doesn't hold a candle next to warhorses like RN1814 or Control. I've played the s**t out of those albums and still spin them regularly. Same with TVR. Damita Jo was more consistently enjoyable and listenable than AFY.

H*ll, I even bump Dream Street more than AFY.


DJ = AFY, edit.
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Different strokes for different folks, I suppose. I really don't understand why more Janet fans aren't feeling All For You. I still love that CD, and I throw it back in the CD player regularly. On the other hand, I haven't listened to The Velvet Rope in years.

"Trust A Try" would have been a HUGE single. I also love "Feels So Right", "Come On Get Up", "China Love" -- I prefer the version of "Son of a Gun" on the CD to Missy's remix, though. "Someone To Call My Lover" and the title track were both hot IMO.
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