hellomoto said:

Same way Michael found his kids - go a Google search for "pale/white kids in need of home" and that's what you come up with.

CalhounSq said:

Gosh, I missed you, CSq.

ThreadBare said:

I wonder how many of us would end up being labeled fucked up after having all our personal shit examined by the whole world as MJ.

No guys, I don´t think MJ is a perfect angel who never screwed up, but I am not gonna condemn him for his stupid mistakes as you do. Cause otherwise I would never be able to love anyone.

And secondly really realize how much you all go after MJ.

Take Elvis for example - whenever I see anything on TV, they call him WONDERFUL father although he was drugged up around Lisa Marie and would let her do pretty much anything, but hey she was his princess, he adored her so he´s a wonderful father.

There´s nobody who would ppl want to see so much as a complete fucked up person like MJ. All the other stars seem to be excused.

What a fucked up thread!

Maybe he doesnt want admit to world if those are his biological kids or not?! Why does he HAVE TO?!

Kids are being adopted, surrogate mothers are being used every day, why the hell is it made fun of, or seen inappropriate, when MJ does it

"he bought his kids, he chose them from catalog" blah blah..FUCK OF!!

CalhounSq said:

Well said

Oh I dunno, little Prince could have his eyes:















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Here's a bigger pic of the kids BTW:

http://www.mjj2005.com/ko...st&id=1763
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CalhounSq said:

So the only reason you don't believe these are his kids is that they don't have his nose ?

Obviously some people on here don't know the difference between phenotype and genotype but at least you could have the decency to hide your ignorance in shame.

As for Debbie - Paris´ got her chin and lips
As for Mike - Prince´s got his eyes AND ears!!! I saw a great picture of lil Mike compared with lil prince and they had the EXACT same ears. I wanted to post it, but the forum where it was deleted this topic.

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squiddyren said:

THATS what gets me aswell. its like i know he loves kids, but he has his own now there aint no need to be constantly chillin wit someone elses

Moonwalkbjrain said:[quote]
Actually it's pretty much been proven that it was nothing like that anyway. That's the sick image people get, but if you just take time, step back and look at the evidence and the testimony, with the Arvizos in particular, he was spending more time avoiding them after the cancer remission than anything else. Like with Gavin how he got more angry and upset when talking about Michael pretending not to be home when they visited and then changing contact numbers. He'd not even seen him for over a year before the Bashir taping.

Still, it shouldn't have gone on at all no matter how much they followed him around or how eager the parents were to let them. At one point it was a but silly and out of hand. But that was before he had his own kids.

I don´t think those other kids are somewhat causing him not being able to take care of his own kids. Now c´mon.
Now stop it guys. Madonna (who has a husband to help her with her kids) HAS nannies. EVERYBODY has nannies. I´ve worked as a nanny for 2 years in families where BOTH parents were and they STILL needed a nanny. Now MJ´s all alone to handle them so what´s the big deal about this I´ll never understand.

Grace Rwarmba is the main nanny, if you can call her that. That's her in the picture. She's been there since day one and before. I've heard it's just her and some other woman.

yeah, exactly and that is also very important, cause I know that children whose nannies change a lot do have problems, becuase it is very hard for them to accept someone as their (new mum) and once they get used to you, they loose you. I know that from my own personal experience.

Plus Michael said in Geraldo interview he takes care of them mostly himself. And even Bashir praised him as a father, which says a lot. If you remember in Take two he is recorded saying to Michael:
"The relationship that you have with your children is spectacular. And in fact it almost makes me weep when I see you with them, cause your interaction with them is just so natural, so loving, so caring and everybody who ever comes into contact with you knows that." And if you look at home movies, you´ll see those kids ADORE Michael. Paris even wants to be like her daddy when she grows up.

ok obviously u haven't payed attention when people got on him 4 this, and while i don't agree with it AT ALL i'ma tell u why.
its because people think michael wants to be white. the surgeries, skin, etc.. in some peoples minds point to his desire to be white. and because of this and the fact that his childrens skin is pale has led many to believe that them aint his kids.


y'kno thats true and i think its quite fucked that things go down this way, but in defense of all the people who don't have on track minds i don't think thats the point thats trynna be made. this aint a thread about other people, other celebs. its about mj and HIS are the problems that are being discussed. i think the point thats trynna be made is that mj has issues ( any one who doesnt think this IMHO is lyin to themselves. and this is coming from a DIEHARD fammy type) and that we feel for his kids because what if those issues affect his kids badly in the long run? what if the decisions he's makin now fuck his kids up? and PLEASE don't give me the "but all parents make mistakes" etc..bull. ALL parents don't do some of the shit mj has done


ellie i understand what ur sayin, but the point that was trynna be made is that mj has kids of his own now. something he always wanted. KIDS he loves kids right? now he has them, the point thats trynna be made is that he has his own kids now, and while he might want to continue to help the children of others (nothing wrong with that) he should be doin it at a distance

I wouldn't put much weight into what that walking turd Bashir says, even if it's praise. He was just sucking up.

Those articles by that journalist who spent a lot of time with him in 2000/2001 were quite good: http://www.mjfanclub.net/...ticle.html

But then I found out he was brought in cos he was a friend of that parasite ex-Rabbii.

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Yep, totally agree.

An old article by one journalist who has met MJ, if you haven´t read it.

Thanksgiving is the biggest day of the year for American families. In every home in the United States, dinner is turkey with all the trimmings and pumpkni pie. It was at such a typical dinner that I spent Thanksgiving two years ago – but with a rather atypical American family. For the guests at my friends home in New Jersey were Michael Jackson and his five year old boy, Prince Michael The First, and three year old girl, Paris.
Yes, the same Michael Jackson who, after dangling his youngest child, Prince Michael The Second, over a 50ft Berlin balcony, is now condemned as the world´s worst father. In spite of Jackson´s abject apology for his crazy behaviour, I am told by social workers that if the incident had happened in this country, all three of his children could´ve been taken into care. And yet, on the basis of four whole months I spent around Michael and his two elder children before and after that Thanksgiving, I came to a controverisal conclusion: Jackson isn´t the bad dad he´s portrayed to be. Not only that,but Prince Michael The First and Paris are, in my experience, among the best behaved, least spoilt and most balanced of children.
During my time with the Jackosn children, I got to know them quite well. I read to them, with Paris on my lap, and Prince sitting next to me. I also told off Prince for running over my foot with a toy tractor. (He responded by politely saying sorry, and repesting the apology with the prompting from his father, who didn´t think the first sounded „sorry enough“) This was not the behaviour of the spoilt, dysfunctiounal brats I was expecting.
But there were other surprises. The Jackson children of popular mythology live in isolation and are denied contact with other kids. But I have seen them play for hours with friends. The Jackson children reputedly have all their toys destroyed at the end of the day for fear of infection. But I have seen them hugging and sucking the manky, unhygienic plastic junk that all children have. I have trailed around a toy shop with Prince and Paris on one of Michael´s private shopping binges. It took place at 7pm and was broght swiftly to an end because the children´s bedtime was approaching – the were allowed just one toy each.
Jackson may be neurotic, eccentric and downright flaky, but Prince and Paris are bright, confident, affectionate and considerate. They say Grace before meals, speak in sentences rather than monosyllabic American grunts and are forbidden, like many children, from using rude language. Prince has a solemn face, but an impish nature and a relentless curiousity. Althoug he is surrounded by staff eager to do his father´s bidding, I found no hint of arrogance in the little boys manner. Paris was tiny when I knew her, with a cute, pointy little face. She would always compete with Prince to be the first to jump on dad´s knee.
Since Jackson is divorced from the children´s mother, Debbnie Rowe, they were looked after by Governess Grace on the rare occasion when Jackson wasn´t around. A Hispanic lady, who kept herself in the background, she was always watchful. I do not believe anything would excape her attention and, if she is still the nanny, I dread tp think what grief she would´ve give Jackson for the balcony nonsence.
The children´s clothes seemed to be chosen by Michael in Prince´s case, with help from Governess Grace in Paris´s. On special occasions, Prince tends to be done up like a little Lord Fauntleyroy. Paris always seeemed to be wearing dainty, lacy and slightly dated velvet dresses.
As a father of three, i could see Prince and Paris exchanged a healthy amount of arg-bargy that goes on between siblings. Over one meal, Prince spotted that Paris had smuggled her security blanket up to the table. „Paris has a blankey, Paris has a blankey“ he taunted. Michael pointed out that Prince really shouldn´t laugh because he had a blankey, too. The little boy look chastened and a little emabarassed at his having been revealed. Thirty seconds later, but quietly, this time, Prince started again: „Paris has a blankey, Paris has a blankey...“ Paris ignored him.
Much of Jackson´s eccentricity goes back to his own father´s harsh discipline. With his own children, Michael is tough but in an infinitely more considered, humane way. He is resolutely antismacking, and somewhere inside the hay fog of whatever it is that obscures his sharp mind is a solid determination that his children should have the most normal upbringin possilbe. He is anxious in particular, that when they all hit their teens they should avoid drugs and other distractions of a showbiz background. He insists that „no means no“, but discipline must be administered without anger or yealling. When the children are naughty or unkind to one another, he favours taking things away from them and making them stand in the corner. At home in Neverland he ratiouns their toys. They are not allowed to refer to toys as „mine“ when they have friends over and have been taught that the only reason to have money is to share its benefits with others.
Someowhat astonishingly, Michael claims to come down heavily on vanity. He tells how he caught Prince combing his hair in a mirror and saying „I look good.“ Michael corrected him saying „You look OK.“ Prince and Paris are also taught to be diplomatic, but never to lie. Even white lies are wrong according to their father. He prefers to teach children to „see things from a different dimension“. Prince, for instance, is afraid of turbulance on aeroplanes. If you tell him he´s not on a plane but on a rollercouster, Michael explains, he will know it´s a lie. But if you say we´re on a plane, but think of it as a rollercouster, it becomes a matter of perspective.
Michael is also hard on himself. One day when he was recording his last album, Invincible, Prince came to the studio and spilled popcorn on the floor. Michael insisted on cleaning it up himself. „It´s my son who made the mess. I´ll clean it up“ he told the bemused musicians as he got down on his hands and knees. Rabbi Schmuley Boteach, a friend of Michael, and host at Thanksgiving dinner, believes the star has a rare, instinctive empathy with children – possibly from never having grown up himself. He tells of the time his eight year old daughter got lost at Neverland. Finding her crying, his instinct was to tell her no to be silly, but Michael intervened and said: I know how you feel, I remember that happening to me when I was a little boy.“
I saw this empathy many times. Michael talks to all children as if they were adults He will not tolerate them interrupting an adult conversation but is unusually attuned to hearing a child´s voice asking a question when most of us choose to be slightly deaf. He is terrified of dogs but has bought his children a golden retriever, thinking it was wrong for him to pass on his irrational prejudice. He also dislikes making up answers to awkward questions the children ask. He likes to go to his vast private library to research the correct answer.
So what was Michael Jackson doing in the now infamous balcony scene? What led a man obsessed to the point of paranoia with his children´s safety, to endanger his baby so needlessly? I can only guess he was a carrying out, in a daft way, another of his principles that children should be taught not to be afraid of anything. He told me at dinner that he is in love with danger, but didn´t know why.
It is hard to see his explanation carrying much weight with the social workers Michael may face if anything like the Berlin incident happens again. But perhaps they could take notice of a part of the speech he made about childhood and his children last year at Oxford University:
„What if they grow older and resent me, and how my choices impacted their youth? Why weren´t we given a normal childhood like all the other kids? They might ask. And at that moment I pray that my children will give me the benefit of the doubt. That they will say to themselves: „Our daddy did the best he could, given the unique circumstances he faced.
I hope, he concluded, that they wil always focus on the positive things, on the sacrifices I willingly made for them, and not criticise the things they had to give up, or the errors I´ve made, and will certainly continue to make in raising them. For we all have been someone´s child, and we know that despite the very best of pland and efforts, mistakes will always occur. That´s just being human.“

You can also see in the bashir documentary that they are very polite. I mean, Prince even asked his daddy if he could run. How many kids do THAT???

well other ppl do other shit that MJ on the other side hasn´t done. I am not saying he´s this perfect figure without any mistakes. All I am saying is that we all do mistakes. And the fact that others haven´t done EXACTLY what MJ has done doesn´t mean that their mistakes are less "dangerous" - whatever.

The point is that I have heard from MANY sides that his kids are actually a very well behaved and nice kids. So what´s your problem, guys I don´t know. I have never heard of anyone who would say MJ´s kids are spoiled brats. That´s why I feel there´s NO NEED to worry about them.

And as for the sleepovers of other kids I think we´ve discussed that enough in the neverending 12 court threads, so I am not bothering to get into that now.

dag said:

I donno, dag, what's yours? All this is based on hearsay, stuff you've read in articles, on TV, etc. anyway. Let people have their opinions too. And find a more important issue to worry about, honestly.

dag said:

im sorry but what does "love" have to do with being a fan of mj?

sosgemini said:

You know you're a devoted sheep when:

a) You always make sure to buy the sequinned love gloves.
b) You think Paul McCartney is the Source of All Evil.
c) You confuse the billionaire pop star with a real-life romantic partner.

Ding ding!

No reason. Just makes me feel good.
[Edited 7/17/05 7:40am]

VoicesCarry said:

squiddyren said:

Thank goodness i just like the music then.

http://www.shoutmagazine....Remix).zip
[Edited 7/17/05 8:05am]

The fact that I post here mostly on MJ doesn´t mean that I am not interested about anything else. BTW I don´t post here as much as you do, not just about MJ nonsence, but all the other stars.



Damn, I guees I am not an MJ fan:
I don´t have any of MJ clothes.
I have never even mentioned Paul McCartney´s name.
And I´ve got a real boyfriend.


you must have misunderstood me. The word love didn´t represent an actual romantic relationship, but feelings for others in general. I only don´t call people fucked up whenever they make a mistake.

ic dag...thats for the clarification..

however, what does your new definition of love have to do with mj?

dag said:

Uh huh. Except I don't really give a shit about the trash I post. You, however, seem to think that the endless minutiae of some billionaire pop star's existence is really something to get upset/serious over. Who gives a fuck?

Oh, and BTW, my other post was a joke, in case you missed out on it. A love glove is a condom.
[Edited 7/17/05 9:45am]

LightOfArt said:

dag said:

VoicesCarry said:

B only applies to me, and that's got bugger all to do with MJ. I just think he's a complete wanker.