MsLegs said:

And lets not forget the people that Rick James & Prince took some great notes from:

TonyVanDam said:

Preach Tony, Tony Tony has spoken the truth again.

- BUmp it!!!

MsLegs said:

Yes, I know Rick gave him his start, relax. But Rick soon got left behind by Prince's genius and Rick got jealous and hatin', especially when P came out with vanity 6 and Rick said he stole that idea from him. Maybe, maybe not. But it sounds like a dude that's bitter because Prince's start soared higher than Rick's. But Rick DID try and cop Prince's style of fashion for that cover. Go check the cover for yourself. And no need for ass checking, mine is still in place

TheCrucialExperience said:

Rick has ever right to be especially when you give this guy a start and he still your ideas.

Hotlegs said:

Is there PROOF P stole his "ideas"?
What other things besides the supposed All Girl Group idea did P steal from Rick?

TheCrucialExperience said:

You think you know but you don't. Wait till by cat Vain gets her and he'll be glad to break it down to ya since you're one of the purple Kool Aid Drinkers who is brainwashed into believing that P didn't/borrow or steal anybodies ideas and is all origianl so I have to bring in my posse for ya.

MsLegs said:

What? LOL! I'm a fan of both Rick and Prince, I went to school with his Widow! No one is brainwashed, hell we all know Prince was influenced by P-Funk, Sly, Richard, Jimi, and JB. Jst like we all know Rick was jealous of Prince's success. Relax. This isn't a Prince vs Rick thread. And what's with this posse junk? If you know what's up, I want YOU to speak on it, damn ya posse.

TheCrucialExperience said:

P was also influenced by Rick as well and if you call yourself a fan than you should know that. Obiviously, your more of P fan and that's your choice but you got to give respect where its due bottom line and stop being such a purpe Kool Aid drinker who thinks P invented everything and given Rick his credit.

MsLegs said:

Are you legs sister? Tag team! I LOVE IT!

Ok, back to P. I never said he wasn't influenced by Rick, but it wasn't a lot because at the tiem they were both contemporaries of each other. So then it's safe to say that Rick was influenced by Prince. But again, where did I NOT give respect and when did I say P invented sliced bread? You and ya sister need to relax - and come get into the bed so we can play house. Ok, now who has the biggest tits and ass?

TheCrucialExperience said:

Alright Q, lets get one thing straight first of all MsLegs is AkA Hotlegs. Second, you are finally admitting that Rick did influence P and thats great and so you may not be as much of purple Kool Aid Drinker as I thought Maybe, there is hope for you yet.

MsLegs said:

Blah, blah, blah - Let's just get buttnaked and take this to the sheets dammit!

TheCrucialExperience said:

MsLegs said:

Ok, now get the whipped cream!

OdysseyMiles said:

that's one of his best slow jams.His falsetto is amazing!

MsLegs said:

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I am sure Rick was somewhat of a influence on Prince but let's be real Prince left Rick behind and Rick's constant bitterness has not done anything but, make him look bad over time. In addtion, I am sure if Prince did not open for Rick he could have gone out on two with someone.(LOL).

laurarichardson said:

I hate to say it Laura but your opinion is typical of that of a Purple Kool Aid Drinker . If you were in Rick's position and you have person who you gave a start then, this person steal your ideas and not too mention you girl. Hell, I say like some of P's former employees and bandmates that Rick has every right to be pissed.

As far as musically goes, I don't hear any Prince influence on this album. I hear a little Cameo on the song "So Tight", a little hip hop on "Loosey's Rap", and the title track "Wonderful" is pure late 1980s Rick James (not as strong as early 1980s Rick James). I don't know who some of the other tracks sound like but I don't hear anything that sounds like Prince.



Now I said I didn't hear any Prince musically but I definately see Prince influence visibly with the ruffled shirts. The matching print on the hat and boots on one of the other pictures does remind me of the picture from the Jesse Johnson 12 Inch "She (I Can't Resist)".
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If anything, Rick is guilty of having a big mouth and bragging too much and Prince is guilty of being sneaky and running with it. Rick had definately bragged on putting together a girls group before Prince came out with Vanity 6. Rick had also put out a Stone City Band album before Prince came out with The Time. He even bragged about making a movie called "Alice In Ghettoland" starring Teena Marie as "Alice" long before Prince came out with "Purple Rain".
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A Stone City Band album in 1980 called "In N Out", also with appearances on "Soul Train". Interviews with Don Cornelius on "Soul Train" and in "Right On" magazine about a making a movie.



The making a movie idea and the whole protegee idea because Rick had also produced Teena Marie even before the tour with Prince. Rick didn't exactly hold the "copyright" for producing other acts though, because George Clinton and James Brown had been doing it before him.

Rick's biggest influence on Prince was his shock value. Rick was already shocking before the "Fire It Up" tour which he shared with Prince. That's why he was the headliner and Prince was the opening act. Prince definately had his own look but, other than that, his stage presense wasn't shocking until he went on that tour. Prince's shock value (in addition to his great talent) is one of the things that put him on the map.

vainandy said:

Good info Vain, thanks a ton.

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Also,in 1982,Rick started talking about a planned movie to be called 'Spice Of Life'.It was supposed to be semi-autobiographical,and would feature himself,The Stone City Band,Teena Marie and The Temptations.Basically,it was to be Rick's "Purple Rain" (lol),but Prince beat him to the punch.

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vainandy said:

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I am sorry guys but, a rock star trying to get into the movies is not an orignal idea. If Prince had not done it someone else would have and Rick would have said "Hey he stole my idea."

Lot's of artist have had protegee groups look at George Clinton. He was doing his thang before Rick.

That's true but if someone else at the time did it, say maybe Michael Jackson, Rick wouldn't have said a word. Rick and Prince were rivals, Rick couldn't stand him, and the two were determined to outdo each other. They weren't studying outside parties.

TheCrucialExperience said:

See Q, I knew once a member of my crew show up you would get a better perspective.