Marrk said:

well, they are san people...and isnt that all that matters?

sosgemini said:

keepin' it real

"Michael Jackson, as a brand, needs a complete overhaul. He needs to sell Neverland, change his wardrobe, pay off his debts - by selling whatever he has to sell - and show some humility. He needs to show a recognition that his life and his habits have gone way off-course and that he's ready to take a radically new path."
- LAURIE SORIANO, attorney, Davis Shapiro Lewit Montone & Hayes LLP


SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT TO ME.

of course, that said, I have no expectation that Michael would actually do this. he seems to be TOO FAR GONE, TOO FAR INTO HIS OWN SELF-MADE WORLD to realize what's really happening around him.


in my opinion, what he REALLY ought to do is
FINALLY
get over this "oh-poor-me-I-never-had-a-childhood-and-like-Peter-Pan-I-never-wanna-grow-up" bullshit..
he needs to learn how to be a real, adult man & then somehow, meet, get to know & then LEGITIMATELY marry a woman - not just marry 1 for "damage control" (Lisa Marie) or as an INCUBATOR (Debbie Rowe)..
yeah, a woman who could be the MOTHER to his children that they so desperately need to have. "in debt" or not, Michael has MORE than the means to make a good, "PROTECTIVE" life for him, his (future) wife & his kids.
at some point, it would behoove Michael to understand that it's NOT all about him & what he wants to do - it should be about his kids 1st. Michael needs to do things & carry himself in a way that will not FURTHER DAMAGE his children..

I mean..
CAN ANY OF YOU IMAGINE WALKING AROUND IN PUBLIC..
WEARING A MASK TO COVER YOUR FACE
OR A HANKERCHIEF TO COVER YOUR FACE
BECAUSE YOUR "MILDLY ECCENTRIC" FATHER THINKS SOMEONE MAY KIDNAP YOU TO EXTORT MONEY FROM YOUR FATHER ????? (or whatever other bullshit rationale he offered for "protecting" his children when they're in public..)

AS "HISTORY" HAS SHOWN,
there's a better chance of Michael "harmlessly sharing a bed with a boy"
than
some idiot kidnappers who could actually get close enough to Mike's kids to snatch them up & demand 100 million dollars for each kid..


I digress.

I would be curious to hear some new music from him, but I don't know if he has it in him to make something with the QUALITY - NOT record sales - of Off The Wall..

I genuinely wish Michael the best; only God knows what he's been through.

Mariah Carey recently did an interview on CD:UK and was asked about MJ. This is what she said:

Dave: Talking of great artists, I know a man you admire and many, many, many, people have for many years is Michael Jackson. And I just want to ask you: were you surprised as the rest of the world that he got off on an all charges. Or did you expected him to be found innocent?

Mariah: You know what? I knew people who were around and involved in the case, and witnesses and stuff like that. And, because of what they told me, I felt that he deserved to be free. So, I’m glad for him, and I hope for the best for him.

Dave: Cool. We’ll move away from Michael Jackson in a moment. But I’m just wondering, in your professional opinion, do you think he should lay low for a while, for a year or so? Or do you think he should come out with a new album, and do what he does best, what we all love Michael Jackson for?

Mariah: You know what I think? I can only put it like this. I think whatever is best for him as an artist and a human being. If he wants to take some time and rest, then that’s what he should do . I think he’s made his mark in history and he can do whatever he wants.

lilgish said:

OK it's not just the jacket either, look at the shoes and socks

lilgish said:

cborgman said:

found this on your daughters website in response to her brilliant SNL performance, was wondering if you wrote it or if you paid this guy off to write it...

"From Someone "on the inside"
10/26/2004 9:15:29 AM - by Geffen

A few words from someone "on the inside"

So here's how it went down...

I am in charge of starting the songs and cueing their backing tracks (miscellaneous percussion, random sound effects, etc.) Plain and simple, I cued the wrong song.

During the rehearsals for the SNL performance, we practiced the songs "Autobiography" and "Pieces of Me", in that order. For the show itself, we switched the order. So, even though we had already played "Pieces" for our FIRST performance (and quite well from what I'm told), when it came time for the SECOND song, I started "Pieces" (the second song in rehearsal) again without thinking twice. I'm sure now that I will be getting shit about how I'm a bad musician and whatever. But hey... I made a mistake. It happens. Any of you who have never made a mistake in your life, feel free to respond.

Strangely the whole wrong song debaucle seems to be getting lost amongst the speculation that Ashlee was lip-synching.

SHE WAS NOT!!! I was there. Ashlee was having problems with her voice/throat
that day. A couple hours before playing SNL... Your voice is almost
gone... What do you do? A lot of performers may have gone the lip-synching
route.

But Ash trucked on through, singing her own songs, but with a backing vocal
track for reinforcement. She did not "FAKE" anything. If you listen
to the first performance, you can make out two voices. Hers, and that of the
backing track. No, this is not something that she usually does. In fact,
this is something that she NEVER does. But this was somewhat of an emergency.

We all laugh about it now. Ash is taking it really well. And I of course am getting (probably LESS than) my fair share of jokes from the band about it. "Mother, sister, father, sister, drummer, everything's cool now". We've all let it go. So should everybody else.

There are so many rumors flying around started by people who have no clue, and nothing better to do than rip on an innocent performer simply because they don't
like her music. It's ridiculous. You people need to grow up.

In conclusion, I'd like to say that I DO agree with you guys on one point. Ashlee should NOT have blamed her band for what happened. Honestly, she should've blamed me, her drummer. It sucks to say, but it's true. I hope that this message clears things up for everyone.

Sincerely,

Chris Fox"

OdysseyMiles said:

That's true but if u ask me he has lost much of his voice. I listen to the way Michael used to sing on his ealier albums, Off the Wall, Thriller, and Bad and his voice was fantastic and angelic. But as I listen to the albums after that, his beautiful voice has faded into a bunch of strained notes and unnecessary grunts. Some of you may disagree, but I enjoy listening to his ealier albums for the things he could do with his voice, but on his later stuff that wasn't as much of a draw. It was more about the dance songs. His ballads were still good, but his voice even then seemed like he was straining to get it out. One thing Michael needs to do is get a serious voice coach that will work his ass out and get that voice back.

And another thing. Getting off the topic of the singing is Michael's dancing. He's still got skills, but his endurance is lacking. He used to be able to dance his ass off AND sing like an angel, no lip singing involved. On much of the Dangerous tour he was lip singing, my guess is because he could no longer do both. That 30th Anniversary special was great but he was lip singing during that too or at least singing to a backing track(during his solo peformances not with the Jacksons) AND his dance moves were lacking because he was so tired. Part of this is because he's getting older, but another part of it is because he doesn't like to exercise. That is something that is quoted as coming out of his mouth. He said he hates to exercise, especially cardio and he avoids whenever possible because he sees the dancing he does on a regular basis as enough exercise. Now I don't think that dancing around at home is good enough or as endurance building as he needs, and if it was at one point, it's not anymore because as u get older u have to do more to keep up. He needs to get a trainer and work out and build some endurance and even just eat more and weight train because he's too damn skinny (but that's not that important).

Basically Michael needs to a complete overhaul mentally, physically, and vocally in order get back on top or at least near the top. He's a fantastic artist and performer and all that is going to waste away if he doesn't get his shit together

Michael had throat surgery sometime in 1992 in the midst of the Dangerous tour. It really affected things. That and his nose of course will obviously have affected his breathing.

I'm glad you mentioned Bad though because a lot of people who complain about MJ's voice always go for the shite "Oh he was good up until Thriller" bollocks, when it was actually around 1985/86 that he started being able to do amazing things with his voice that he never would have been able to do before.

And I know I sound like an apologist, but since he performs so rarely you can really excuse a few instances like the 30th Anniversary show. I mean look at the state of him around that time. It's not just that he wasn't physically fit, or that he's getting older (while true and while people are different, there are plenty his age keeping up with it all), it's that he was a delirious wreck at that point anyway, which he did recover from within the next year up until the arrest. *sigh* It's just so sad, and I'm angry not only at what he's inflicted upon himself, but at the foul goons who have tried to knock him down just as he was on the verge of getting it right for once.
[Edited 7/12/05 10:23am]

I like how he incorporated more funky raspiness and grittiness into his singing style around "Bad", but at the same time, he began losing some of the sheer smoothness and power of his Jackson 5 to "Thriller" voice and began over-relying on the grunting/snarling/growling/yipping/hooting shit that just needs to stop already.

Nevertheless, I pretty much agree with PurpleRighteous1's excellent post and consider the "Bad" years to be his last classic years, musically, performance-wise, etc. After that, it was never the same-- trendy producers, overcooked, inconsistent music, overproduced, visually ADD-induced videos, lip-synching and moldy routines galore in concert, insane amounts of plastic surgery, etc. X2

squiddyren said:

I thought the Dangerous tour/era was the best. That was the apex of his domination.

lilgish said:

"Dangerous" is by far my fav jacko album, followed by the midi filled "bad". "dangerous" had a awesome collection of music videos too. Though I never understood the "who is it" video?

Heck he even wrote "do the bartman" around that time too. And "for all time" and "seious effect" were 2 awesome sings he made around that era. Good stuff jacko.

cborgman said:

I forgave chris and I got him a job drumming for Spinal Tap.

I love how we all are all suposed to pretend we dont know he is a Pedophile? What a Joke.

HEY Industry:

WE ALL now know 100% for sure MJ is a molester -pedophile.

The 1993 errect penis description & drawings matched! IF they didn't match, then Tom Mez would have begged for the photos to come into this trial to help destroy the 1993 part of the 1108 evidence.

But thats not what Tom Mez did, he fought his hardest to keep those photos out of this case!

Very simple, case closed. Michael Jackson is a Child Molester-Pedophile.

Not in with this 2003 Victim. But clearly in 1993. Does Johnnie Cocharan look like the kind of Lawyer that would fight for his client to settle! NO, less then one year later.. he took on a case with OJ Simpson where OJ's Blood was everywhere at the crime scene. That tells you allot about Cocharan his guts and drive. It also tells us allot of what kind of Evidence was in that 1993 Sex Case against Michael Jackson.

The Errect photos & description are the nail in MJ's coffin. Tom Mez fighting to keep them out,tells everyone everything you need to know! Everything thing else you hear is SPIN from crazy delusional fans OR so PR FIRM.

Simple as this:

If the photos didn't match. Tom Mez would have BEGGED for the photos to come in! Because that would destroy the 1993 victim & the 1993 Section of the 1108 Evidence.

Tom Sneddon fought his hardest for the photos to COME IN.

Tom Mez fought his hardest for the photos to STAY OUT.

Case closed- MJ is a Pedophile-Molester.

Kinda freaky when you ignore the spin. But it will be fun to watch the spin.

ElectricBlue said:

I think MJ has a nice penis

Clearly his penis is actually a smurf's house. I mean, it MATCHED, didn't it??



100% my ARSE