Enjoy The Silence

And about half of 'from the choirgirl hotel':
Iieee
Liquid Diamonds
She's Your Cocaine
Hotel
Playboy Mommy
Pandora's Aquarium

After years of serving on film festival juries, I conclude that using the phrase "self-indulgent" as criticism is completely unhelpful and amateurish criticism. Basically, it means nothing. It's a way to put down someone's work without really describing why it doesn't work for you, and it's fairly mean-spirited, a way of shutting down an artist whose work you don't like.

When people use the phrase "self-indulgent", often they mean hermetic, esoteric, raw or unbaked. What blackbob probably means with Tori Amos is a heavy use of personal symbology, which may not be your cup of tea. However, I disagree with you, I don't find Scarlet's Walk or The Beekeeper,in particular, to be "self-indulgent" at all. Little Earthquakes is probably much more so in some respects about herself. And even in Boys For Pele, her songs point to much more than herself. They are multi-dimensional.

no, I just think I'm in the minority on this one.

i think that when you are as "weird" as tori amos and i mean that in the nicest way....it can detract from her music if it is not controlled...her first two albums are her most commericial when she tried a bit more to make her music appeal to general music lovers without losing her artistic vision...i think that it is always important to remember that you should not make an album solely for your self (i know lots of artists have done it "the rainbow children" being a prime example but almost always , they dont really work...certainly saleswise they dont work) and i feel that tori has lost sight of what was great about her first album.....dont get me wrong....i love tori amos and i know she still makes good music but she could be so much better

sextonseven said:

True. I forgot about that one. I don't know how she could botch that up so bad.

And about the Choirgirl songs. I knew it wasn't your favorite, but I can't believe you dislike that many on there.

I didn't like it to start out with either, but it's quickly become the most important Tori album to me.

Except for "Northern Lad", I guess for me the entire second half of the CD is a loss.

sextonseven said:

That's unbelievable to me. My 2 favorites are Liquid Diamonds and Playboy Mommy. I don't know how any Tori fan could dislike them.

I dunno. Tori just happened to stumble upon a sequence of notes that don't appeal to me. Several times on the same CD apparently. Lucky for her I like the other songs on the disc a lot otherwise that album would be in the garbage!

Tori's crap, man. Stick with Kate.

I just played Delius...

HamsterHuey said:

What you sighing for?

SO beautiful

Tori's crap, man. Stick with Kate.

My 2 favorites are Liquid Diamonds and Playboy Mommy. I don't know how any Tori fan could dislike them.

even you have been known to sneak a record or two by her on

sermwanderer said:

I've got all seven studio albums. The first four are her best. The 5th is good. The last two are fairly bland. You should go for the first four.

Are you talking about Tori or Kate? Cuz Tori's got 8.

GangstaFam said:

Tori of course. Like I would dare accuse Kate of being bland.

You including Strange Little Girls? Or the Y Kant Tori Read album?
Neither of them qualify as far as I'm concerned.

sassy's ratings for all tori's full length releases:

Little Earthquakes -

Under the Pink -

Boys for Pele -

From the Choirgirl Hotel -

To Venus and Back -

Strange Little Girls -

Scarlet's Walk -

Tales of a Librarian -

The Beekeeper -

You didn't like Scarlett's Walk?

sassy's ratings for all tori's full length releases:

Little Earthquakes -

Under the Pink -

Boys for Pele -

From the Choirgirl Hotel -

To Venus and Back -

Strange Little Girls -

Scarlet's Walk -

Tales of a Librarian -

The Beekeeper -

Tori of course. Like I would dare accuse Kate of being bland.

You including Strange Little Girls? Or the Y Kant Tori Read album?
Neither of them qualify as far as I'm concerned.

Cloudbuster said:

SLG definitely counts. I mean, even though it's all covers it's still a studio recording. Has its own thing going on too.

SLG definitely counts. I mean, even though it's all covers it's still a studio recording. Has its own thing going on too.

Every Tori thread always turns into a Kate thread