damosuzuki said:

It's tough to pull off Ramones-like purity these days. If you stick to your guns, you're considered one dimensional. It's risky, cuz if you stay in one place you might get left behind, but if you change too much, your fans might. It's kinda sad that a natural musical evolution is becoming harder and harder to maintain.

GangstaFam said:

Well, really even the Ramones couldn't pull off Ramones-like purity. Everybody hails their first four albums, but from End of the Century onwards, they were pretty much also-rans. They tried to diversify, too - did some moves into hardcore, made a couple of poppy singles. I guess you can only invent the wheel once, and then it becomes old hat.

damosuzuki said:

yeah, but the ramones endured whether their albums were successful or not, because they had a good schtick and they had great stage presence. the shit-hot bands of the past few years are so weened on indie rock snob ethics that they can't let themselves have fun and leave audiences with really memorable shows that get them word of mouth and reputations as a band you wanna see as well as hear. the ramones could do that. nirvana could do that. REM and nine inch nails could do it. what act from the 00s is interesting to watch? is anyone vaguely captivating?

thesexofit said:

co-sign

Anxiety said:

I can't think of one - like I said above, we haven't really seen a compelling figure or band that consensus has coalesced around since Nirvana. What I do find hopeful is that, at least from my perspective, the alt-rock scene has gotten interesting again in the past few years - Decemberists, the books, Drive By Truckers, whoever. It kinda reminds me of the mid-to-late seventies and mid-to late eighties, when mainsteams music had reached an absolute nadir, but interesting things were happening on the fringes. That gives me slight hope that we could be a year or two away from another explosion like 91-94, when you had really great acts like Nirvana or Tricky or whoever who were envelope pushers who actually managed to sell records.

There's really no one.

Id say Jack White or Ben Harper

Norah Jones , or as some of you like to call her Snorah Jones

Dewrede said:

She didn't do anything original or even interesting - how is she significant?

she's one of the few talented people in today's music , imo

Dewrede said:

Doesn't make her significant

anybody who's talented is significant

Dewrede said:

vainandy said:

where did he say that

anyway , there are exceptions to every rule

Dewrede said:

Nope, just because you're talented doesn't mean you're a significant artist. There really haven't been any truly significant acts since Nirvana, although there have been some talented artists.

starting a new jazz hype/trend is being significant , no ?

Dewrede said:

She didn't start any trends with respect to jazz. A lot of people bought her shit because it's perfect background noise for old yuppies.

Dewrede said:

she's about as jazz as dave matthews is blues. technically they have the musical ability, but they're popular because they know how to remove the blood and guts from the styles and serve something harmless and emasculated to people who want to buy a CD that matches their new couch.

not that there's anything wrong with that...

Anxiety said:

Norah is bland AC - nowhere near real jazz.

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meltwithu said:

marilyn manson looks really different without makeup!!!

I still think she started a trend , even if mostly yuppies picked up on it
that doesn't make it less a trend


I like her music (although i admit it does require a certain mood)
and she's cute too (not that that has anything to do with it)

Dewrede said:

So if it's a trend, who's following it? Harry Connick, Jr. beat her to it.
[Edited 6/27/05 21:17pm]

Don't know him
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Dewrede said:

Didn't answer my question, I see

I did, i said Jamie Cullum , but then you edited your post
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meltwithu said:

RipHer2Shreds said:

Or as sos would say, Way Gaiken.

Dewrede said:

still didn't answer to my reply i see

Dewrede said:

That's because I don't consider it valid. Jamie does a fusion of milquetoast jazz and pop/rock, as does Harry Connick, Jr. This is not a new trend in old yuppie AC.

ok
What does AC stand for ?