Why is everyone shocked that this is going on???. Trust me that A bigger LIE that goes around is Soundscan, the fact that it DOES NOT purchases, yet tracks Stores orders and Reorders, it has nothing to do with over the counter, also the fact that Online sales arent tracked, the whole thing is bogues and this is what people BASE what they buy CDs on.....well most people, when are people gonna wake up again, its like The Music Buyers of this generation really have no minds at all, whatever is simple Give it to me.

lastdecember said:

People like blissful ignorance. Be content with the knowledge of truth. That's what works for me.

Can someone please give me the total DL on SoundScan because I want this knowledge. Thanks ahead of time!

VoicesCarry said:

I think that's partly a reference to double scanning. Check laurenchristenson's many posts on the subject.

VoicesCarry said:

I don't have time for the full rundown. The short version:
Soundscan isn't as accurate as people think.It does:

Record any CD that passes over a scanner and into its system, although it can be set to record double CDs as two CD sales, etc. A couple of labels have agreed to buy a copy for every unit sould up to a certain number, so those CDs would count as double also, thereby cheating the numbers in a sense.

Give a rough indication of how many units an artist is moving by way of outlets that use its system.


It does NOT:
Tell how many units are sold directly to the public, since the numbers are done according to how many units THE OUTLET has, not how many actualy leave the store.

Record sales that are made outside of the soundscan system. This includes Mom & Pop record stores, small chains, online sales and anything done that is outside of the system.


The margin of miscount can be small or it can be ridiculously large. That's like using McDonald's sales records to track the number of hamburgers sold in the U.S. Think of how incorrect that would be. Unfortunately, labels treat soundscan info like a holy grail. Its like saying those that aren't playing ball with the system are irrelevant.

Now I lost my faith on JLo

BlaqueKnight said:

Many thanks, BK!

I have no faith in FCC they are one crappy agency who is supposed to be doin the investigation.

Actually i petition them last yr about the abuses of clear channel.

I got thier form filled it out and they gave me some stupid reply just showing they had no interest in protecting the consumer.

Finally this sliptzer guy did his work as he always does

Actually splitzer accused FCC of not doin its job
in the washington post article yesterday the previous maximum fine for payola was 18k

Soundscan isn't as accurate as it should be. But it's a hell of a lot more accurate than the system it replaced.

BlaqueKnight said:

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Thanks BK. I have posted articles on this board about this for years. Especially last year when everyone was going on about the Musicology give-away and what a sham it was. Failing to realize that Soundscan is a sham. P just did what the industry has been doing for a long time.

Yes, this generation is pretty much clueless about a lot of things. LOL

I'm not shocked. What is shocking is that this is only revealed because corporations hate each other and not because we have a fair press. It's Fox, who obiviously is very vidicintive against Jennifer Lopez (they've honestly been the start of her career downturn and they love it) and Sony. Too bad this wasn't done to expose ALL the labels that particpate in payola rather than just pointing at the one company who doesn't seem to have any media intrests (as in press and news). I'm not defending Sony but shame on Fox for only reporting this for all the wrong reasons.

VinnyM27 said:

Oh yeah I totally agree, this goes on all the time with everyone artist is trying to push. But i think they should have also reported the MONEY that was paid to RADIO stations not to play Mariah Carey after she left SONY and for EMI, this has been well documented by many people and ADMITTED to by people at both labels. The whole thing is Corrupt, which is why i just pay no attention to anything Soundscan or Billboard or Radio or Video stations choose to promote. The whole PAYOLA thing has been going on FOREVER, but I think now its just going on ALL the time.

lastdecember said:

Now, if they would go after the Clear Channels of the world, this lawsuit would start to really mean something. Frankly, I don't that would ever happen.

lastdecember said:

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Barry White once said "If the record comany wants you to have a hit you will If they don't you will not have one"

Never was this more true than in the case of Mariah. Even if you are not a fan you got to admit that Sony and Tommy Mottalta treated like her trash.

Pay attention to the artist that are still around in 5 years and who music lovers actually would pay money to see live.

laurarichardson said:

And vice versa was true in the ninties! Sony didn't treat her that badly....she had two number one singles (again, cheapy sell through singles!) off her last Sony album...now the third....gasp, regular price. Now after that album, I agree there was some shenengains going on.