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Printablepurplecam said: Abdul said: I'm 26 and guess what ya'll I don't listen to any of the music radio formats here in Philly. The three hip-hop stations play the same twenty songs all day, the jazz station plays the same cuts day after day and the pop/rock stations are all on the same repeat program that the other ones are.
Now that brings me to my favorite music, that old school Soul, R&B, and FUNK!!. The two stations we have here in Philly play the same FUNK, Soul and R&B all day long with a sometimes new song added to the rotation and I think that SUCKS!!! They got all these great songs to choose from but yet they play the same ones over and over again, I can't listen to it. Instead of playing "Reasons" by EWF every fuckin day why not play another bad EWF cut like "SUNSHINE", damn they only got over twenty albums of material to choose from. They do that with all of the old school artists and it's just plain wrong IMHO, and then there's my favorite old school artist RICK JAMES!!! Most of Rick's solo work barely get's played, the only Rick James solo work you'll hear on the radio if you come to Philly is: Ebony Eyes Fire And Desire You And I Give It To Me Baby Super Freak(only about once every three months do they play this) Tell me that ain't some BULLSHIT!!! Thank You Abdul for bringing that up. Out here in San Diego, we have one old school station and they play the same thing over and over too. I can also get the L.A. old school station and they are a bit better but where you can't seem to get any Rick James played out in Philly, I seem to hear a Rick James song every other day on that channel it seems and it's almost always Super Freak. I love me some Rick James too but he's done more than that. It's a no win situation all the way around. [Edited 6/25/05 15:31pm]  | |
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I guess I'd have the same opinion on the current state of music too if I listened to the radio.. but I dont so.. | |
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And if u do listen to the radio, it is shit! that is true, thats not a cop out. but most of the talk out there is.. simply because they dont listen.. they hear whats presented to them in radio or mtv format.. or what a record label dishes their way.. but I assure you that not all music is this way.. if anything music is getting better for me.. its just hard to come by these days..
for example year 2004, i couldnt tell you one good piece of music that came from that year.. except for GM patience, and that isnt something that is just simply spectacular.. its hard to come by, but its around..I just think record labels need that one hit from a band or person, and the rest is filler.. and they expect people to pay 15-19 dollars for a shit cd.. | |
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it's not that we're getting older...today's music really does suck  | |
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MsLegs said: Abdul said: I'm 26 and guess what ya'll I don't listen to any of the music radio formats here in Philly. The three hip-hop stations play the same twenty songs all day, the jazz station plays the same cuts day after day and the pop/rock stations are all on the same repeat program that the other ones are.
Now that brings me to my favorite music, that old school Soul, R&B, and FUNK!!. The two stations we have here in Philly play the same FUNK, Soul and R&B all day long with a sometimes new song added to the rotation and I think that SUCKS!!! They got all these great songs to choose from but yet they play the same ones over and over again, I can't listen to it. Instead of playing "Reasons" by EWF every fuckin day why not play another bad EWF cut like "SUNSHINE", damn they only got over twenty albums of material to choose from. They do that with all of the old school artists and it's just plain wrong IMHO, and then there's my favorite old school artist RICK JAMES!!! Most of Rick's solo work barely get's played, the only Rick James solo work you'll hear on the radio if you come to Philly is: Ebony Eyes Fire And Desire You And I Give It To Me Baby Super Freak(only about once every three months do they play this) Tell me that ain't some BULLSHIT!!!  I'm am pretty sure that its the same everywhere else now thanks to damn Satellite Format Radio. Like yourself, I am tired of them hating on my boy Rick. Shit, I still pissed  about the powers that be not selecting Rick alongside P into the Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame. | |
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It's both. The shit on radio sounds good to younger folks b/c it's what they've grown up hearing. Their ears don't know any better  But we are becoming the crochety old fucks our parents once were too    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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CalhounSq said: It's both. The shit on radio sounds good to younger folks b/c it's what they've grown up hearing. Their ears don't know any better
But we are becoming the crochety old fucks our parents once were too and likewise, there was a lot of shit that we loved (and still have a fondness for) from when we were younger. it was shit then, and it's still shit, but it gets a pass because it's from our formative years  "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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GrayKing said: CalhounSq said: It's both. The shit on radio sounds good to younger folks b/c it's what they've grown up hearing. Their ears don't know any better
But we are becoming the crochety old fucks our parents once were too and likewise, there was a lot of shit that we loved (and still have a fondness for) from when we were younger. it was shit then, and it's still shit, but it gets a pass because it's from our formative years Your right. Some of those songs may of been shit but we gave them points for originality in which music today lacks. | |
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MsLegs said: GrayKing said: and likewise, there was a lot of shit that we loved (and still have a fondness for) from when we were younger. it was shit then, and it's still shit, but it gets a pass because it's from our formative years Your right. Some of those songs may of been shit but we gave them points for originality in which music today lacks.which is what people 10+ years older than us were saying about "our" shit.  "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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GrayKing said: MsLegs said: Your right. Some of those songs may of been shit but we gave them points for originality in which music today lacks.which is what people 10+ years older than us were saying about "our" shit. True. But at least, the music we had in the 70's and 80's had substance compared to today's bullshit. | |
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DavidEye said: Today's music is shit
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"Today's music is shit....." Well I think there is no more shit than any other time. When I hear my older sister playing some old temptations, four tops or most of the music from that time, I think it's shit. whenever I hear someone talk about how good the beatles were or are,  I think there shit. I think elvis's stuff, other than bringing a new sound too white folks, is shit.
Most likely I have this point of view because I'm not into those acts I mentioned, but alot of people are. The same as with today's music. Some people love it and some people hate it. "to each his own" I say. [Edited 6/26/05 5:24am] [Edited 6/26/05 5:26am] [Edited 6/26/05 11:47am] | |
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MsLegs said: GrayKing said: which is what people 10+ years older than us were saying about "our" shit. True. But at least, the music we had in the 70's and 80's had substance compared to today's bullshit. mhmmm... that's what we like to think, anyway "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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GrayKing said: MsLegs said: True. But at least, the music we had in the 70's and 80's had substance compared to today's bullshit. mhmmm... that's what we like to think, anyway | |
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CalhounSq said: It's both. The shit on radio sounds good to younger folks b/c it's what they've grown up hearing. Their ears don't know any better
But we are becoming the crochety old fucks our parents once were too And I'm the most crochety of them all.
Although, I never considered my parents crochety when it came to music. In fact, we listen to a lot of the same music because almost everything I love is from 20-30 years ago. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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CalhounSq said: It's both. The shit on radio sounds good to younger folks b/c it's what they've grown up hearing. Their ears don't know any better
But we are becoming the crochety old fucks our parents once were too Well, I can't speak for your parents but my parents are pretty progressive. As a matter of fact, it was my parents who hipped my to Prince and Rick James back in the 1970's. Now, my parents are in their 70's and still jammin and I jammin with their asses. [Edited 6/26/05 13:52pm] | |
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I'm only 20 years old. Today's music is pure shit.  The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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GrayKing said: MsLegs said: Your right. Some of those songs may of been shit but we gave them points for originality in which music today lacks.which is what people 10+ years older than us were saying about "our" shit. I remember people 10 years older than me being very into 1980s music. They were the ones partying to it in the clubs. I wasn't even old enough to get into a club in the early 1980s. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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MsLegs said: GrayKing said: which is what people 10+ years older than us were saying about "our" shit. True. But at least, the music we had in the 70's and 80's had substance compared to today's bullshit. Exactly. Our music was made from scratch with an original melody, groove, and lyrics. Most of today's artists don't have the talent to come up with something original, that's why they sample old records for the basic structure of their songs. We also could get past midtempo, which is something most of today's artists can't seem to do. The tempo of the songs that are being played on the dance floors these days would have been way to slow to play on the dance floors of the past. We would have thrown rocks at the DJ back in the day for playing all that slow stuff in a row. They are even sampling old ballads and slowing the tempo down even more so they can get it slow enough to "talk" over it. My mother loved tons of 1980s music. Of course she didn't like nearly as much as I did because she is from another generation. She was never running around in the 1980s talking about "I hate all of today's music" because she didn't. With my nephews, though, that's a different story. She makes them totally go in the other room and play it real low because she absolutely can't stand to hear it. She said it all sounds like a "dog fight". I remember one time, she said "In the middle of that dog fight, something sounds familar". I said "Hell, it ought to, it's an old song that has been slowed down enough for the dogs to fight on top of it". Andy is a four letter word. | |
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jjhunsecker said: Let's face it, we are getting older AND most of today's music does suck/
I'll put it this way : who around today will be looked on in 20 years or more as someone who's music has stood the test of time ? The way that Springsteen, Marvin Gaye, Curtis Mayfield, Led Zeppelin, Stevie Wonder, The Beatles, The Stones, prince, Aretha, James Brown, BB King. Al Green, and a host of others have remained great. Do you think people will really be remembering R Kelly, Alicia Keys, 50 Cent, or Phareel Williams the same way they revere Stevie Wonder or Eric Clapton or Jimi Hendrix ? I doubt it. I just don't hear those type of towering talents anymore. Probably the only artists who've come ialong in the last 15 years that really impressed me were Nirvan and Pearl Jam . R&B today is a shadow of the greatness that genre produced between, say 1965-1985. And most Hip-Hop is too simplistic and one-dimensional to have any lasting value IMHO . I think what's really killed music today is the lack of song-writing talents. Most hit songs these days lack any really memorable hooks or melodies. and seem like amateur night when compared to Holland-Dozier-Holland, Burt Bacharach, Dylan, or Carole King or Brian Wilson 
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Anxiety said: minneapolisgenius said: I love Gerry Rafferty! In fact, I've been listeneing to him all week. Don't put him in with David Cassidy!  i've been really wanting to get the 'baker street' album for quite a while now, i will admit. 
but you gotta admit, it was some classic lite-rock AM radio fodder.
nothin' wrong with some musical empty calories every now and again... In my opinion,those "empty calorie" hits from the 70s are better than 90% of the crap you hear on the radio these days.Give me Barry Manilow and The Starland Vocal Band anyday,instead of garbage like 50 Cent and Ashley Simpson. | |
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DavidEye said: Anxiety said: i've been really wanting to get the 'baker street' album for quite a while now, i will admit.
but you gotta admit, it was some classic lite-rock AM radio fodder.
nothin' wrong with some musical empty calories every now and again... In my opinion,those "empty calorie" hits from the 70s are better than 90% of the crap you hear on the radio these days.Give me Barry Manilow and The Starland Vocal Band anyday,instead of garbage like 50 Cent and Ashley Simpson.
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today's music is shit and it was so much better at some other era. I dont think so there is and has always been shit. (mid to late 70's choosen randomly)
Grammy Awards of 1976 Record of the Year Daryl Dragon (producer) & Captain & Tennille for "Love Will Keep Us Together" Grammy Awards of 1977 Pop Best Pop Vocal Performance, Female Linda Ronstadt for Hasten Down the Wind Grammy Awards of 1978 Pop Best Pop Vocal Performance, Female Barbra Streisand for "Love Theme From A Star Is Born" Best Pop Vocal Performance, Male James Taylor for "Handy Man" Grammy Awards of 1979 Pop Best Pop Vocal Performance, Female Anne Murray for "You Needed Me" Best Pop Vocal Performance, Male Barry Manilow for "Copacabana (At the Copa)" need I go on, if today's music is shit. pop music in general has always been shit!  [Edited 6/27/05 6:50am] | |
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DavidEye said: Anxiety said: i've been really wanting to get the 'baker street' album for quite a while now, i will admit.
but you gotta admit, it was some classic lite-rock AM radio fodder.
nothin' wrong with some musical empty calories every now and again... In my opinion,those "empty calorie" hits from the 70s are better than 90% of the crap you hear on the radio these days.Give me Barry Manilow and The Starland Vocal Band anyday,instead of garbage like 50 Cent and Ashley Simpson. Exactly. I wasn't a big fan of the lite rock era but there was a lot of it that I liked. Disco, which I loved, was brewing underneath the surface of the pop world and got it's chance to explode into the mainstream. I hated the "adult contemporary" R&B phase of 1985 to 1990 but, like disco, house music was brewing underneath the surface and also got it's chance to explode into the mainstream. There's a big difference between those two decades and the 1990s and today....there were no companies like Clear Channel playing the hell out of lite rock and "adult contemporary" R&B and making sure that disco and house never got to see the light of day. Back then, people got the chance to get tired of a musical style and move on to the next. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Most of todays music is indeed shit. I like a small amount of newer music, but I find I listen to a lot of older stuff these days. You can't beat the great music from the likes of the Beatles, the Stones, Dylan, Marvin Gaye, Al Green, Sam Cooke etc. I also find I'm enjoying music from other genres such as Cuban, Mexican.
Most of the artists making money and selling music today have very little talent. Most of these people will not be around 5-10 years from now. They are just the tart of the moment so to speak. Some artists throw away their talent for popularity ( Gwen Stefani comes to mind). Her solo stuff is so sickening it's down right embarrassing. I guess I am getting old (will be 42 next month), but I can't find much to get excited about with todays music. | |
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I used 2 think it was just my age of 35 years...however, when U turn on the radio and hear a fucking song with some guy whispering for four minutes and that's a fucking hit record?.....or when P.Diddy releases a group called B5 (an obvious bite from J5) and the group totally stinks up the single, "All I do is Think of U" - and the kids request it like that's a great song....that's when U know we are in trouble.
This era is producer driven - it's not build around around talented artist anymore. Every know and then an artist with promise does come out. See - Raheem Devaughn, etc. But for most ORG members - it's basically about embracing pioneers like Prince, Bowie, and Stevie because we remember how great it once was. Does anyone disagree? | |
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vainandy said: Exactly. Our music was made from scratch with an original melody, groove, and lyrics. Most of today's artists don't have the talent to come up with something original, that's why they sample old records for the basic structure of their songs. We also could get past midtempo, which is something most of today's artists can't seem to do. The tempo of the songs that are being played on the dance floors these days would have been way to slow to play on the dance floors of the past. We would have thrown rocks at the DJ back in the day for playing all that slow stuff in a row. They are even sampling old ballads and slowing the tempo down even more so they can get it slow enough to "talk" over it. My mother loved tons of 1980s music. Of course she didn't like nearly as much as I did because she is from another generation. She was never running around in the 1980s talking about "I hate all of today's music" because she didn't. With my nephews, though, that's a different story. She makes them totally go in the other room and play it real low because she absolutely can't stand to hear it. She said it all sounds like a "dog fight". I remember one time, she said "In the middle of that dog fight, something sounds familar". I said "Hell, it ought to, it's an old song that has been slowed down enough for the dogs to fight on top of it".  | |
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minneapolisgenius said: blackguitaristz said: Val, I think I do love u! 
 The solo to "Baker Street" is killin'! SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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GrayKing said: I think it's worth mentioning that popular music isn't something that shouldn't necessarily be disposable. much of it is. much of it always has been. and most of the good stuff started out that way. i think it's when we place our expectations on everything being some new piece of high or performance art that we set ourselves up for disappointment. anything beyond the very basic level of "it's got a nice tune and i can dance to it" is just icing on the cake. i think we've fooled ourselves into thinking that every piece of music has to be original or a masterpiece or some grandiose statement that has been slaved over for months in order to be good or worthwhile. and we can blame certain people, like the Beatles, Dylan, Bowie, Prince, Stevie, etc. for setting us up for that. they were all exquisite artists, but "Love Me Do" and "The Laughing Gnome" weren't created with a mind to do anything other than to 1) sell records and 2) put a smile on someone's face when they heard it. and they certainly weren't indicative of the Important Art that these people would later create and bestow upon the masses.
honestly, it's just rock & roll. get over it. Awesome post man. People on here may know me and my liking for shit that was shit when it was new. Yes I do prefer debbie gibson and Michael Bolton over the smiths or the cure. I dont know why? I know Iam proberly the most senstive guy on this board no joke (and John P). So maybe thats why I love that suger coated shit. But I do love warm synths, twickly keyboard parts and loud ass snares on stuff. Thats all gone now. So I go back and find it again. Iam very close minded I admit. We all are to a certain extent. But what makes my sorta music shit exactly? Becuase the cool gang say so? [Edited 6/27/05 16:44pm] | |
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vainandy said: I can remember when I first started bitching about music. It was the summer of 1985, I was only 17, and had just graduated high school. Artists that were starting to dominate the radio back then were much more mellow artists like Whitney Houston, Anita Baker, Freddy Jackson, etc. I remember saying "where the hell are the jams?" (Yawn)....such a boring era.
Yes, I'm set on what I like and refuse to settle for "weaker" music, but as far as older people are concerned, they were loving this era. I even saw older people that hated the early 1980s music scene, loving the late 1980s scene. I used to call it the "adult contemporary era". This era also influenced a lot of artists like Brandy and Mariah Carey that came out in the 1990s. This would account for all the slow music dominating in the 1990s. Man vain, I love ya but u ALWAYS miss out newjack. Now alot of the popular newjack was midtempo (ie "aint too proud to beg" by TLC "poison" by BBD "i want her" by Keith sweat) but soooo much newjack came out. And the obscure hit hard. Only popular uptempo newjack examples I can give u are R kellys "shes got that vibe". Newjack is not that hard to find though in US. Look in bargin bins. U know its newjack as the fashions, poses and clothes were so identifible. Newjack took anita baker and co. by the throat and told her to to sit her adult contemporary ass down as the new kids want to fucking sweat to something. Newjack has its roots firmly into 70's funk. Aswell as a massive dose of minni funk, go go and tight harmonies like the four tops etc..... Newjack got molded into hiphop soul. Then u go downhill from there | |
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