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Printablenamepeace said: goat2004 said: Also, in 1988, rap music still felt authentic - it wasn't commercialized - MC Hammer, Young MC, & Vanilla Ice were all unknown at this time. U get my point? It was a better time for hip hop - especially in New York. It the early 90's is when rap turned into a corporate entity, hence - Vanilla Ice, Young MC, & that Rico suave kid...too many commercial acts. U feel me? Absolutely. No argument there. I agree with you. PE singlehandedly put hip-hop on the map as a creative and revolutionary force in American culture in 1988, and there was no "filter" for the music (record companies, corporate sponsors, radio, videos, etc.). "RADIO . . . suckas never play me . . ." But, then again, that only illustrates the greatness of 1994. Most of the releases I refer to were from then-underground artists or acts with small sales and limited promo, in the post-Hammer/Vanilla Ice era, that led an artistic renaissance for hip-hop. None of the albums I am thinking of struck me as anything but authentic. Because the radio and video stations had seen what true hip-hop was capable of commercially, some of them, most notably Biggie, got airplay and more hype. So 1994 was great for similar reasons. It proved that hip-hop could sustain its artistic merit after the V-Ices, Hammers, Young MC's, et al. true, 94 was a resurgence of the MC - Nas, Big, Jeru the damager, and the de La/Tribe influenced - Digable Planets brought a breath of fresh air for New York hip hop. Ummmm, other orgers chime in at any point -  | |
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JANFAN4L said: goat2004 said: Also, NWA (put the West on the map) with their PE inspired Straight Outta Compton - (the most authentic gangsta record) in 1988. So many people praise this album. It was distinctive and groundbreaking in its lyrical delivery and the way it exposed L.A. thug life on a national and international scale, but at the same time it really did a lot of damage. The city of Compton is STILL recovering from the effects of this record. It had gotten so bad that a neighborhood in Compton voted to rename their area "Rosewood, California" just to escape the stigma and to avoid their property values from further plummeting. The reputation of Black Los Angeles got f**ked up after this record came out (and was further mucked about with the rise of the "gangsta flicks" in the early '90s). As a Black Angeleno, I'll tell you firsthand that you can't go anywhere in the world without someone thinking you have drive-bys on your street and you're ducking bullets and s**t. I'll never forget my first year of college. "OMG, you're from L.A.?!  Have you ever been shot at? Oh my g*d, WESSSTSIIIDE*! :::"W symbol":::" 
If I was a white kid, it would've been. "OMG, you're from L.A.? Wow. It's so cool out there. Do you surf?" ----- I am glad someone brought this up. Who the hell would brag about how shitty their neighborhood is. Only Black Folks. (LOL). It's is all due to self-hatred and rap now a days is a big part of the problem. | |
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JANFAN4L said: goat2004 said: Also, NWA (put the West on the map) with their PE inspired Straight Outta Compton - (the most authentic gangsta record) in 1988. So many people praise this album. It was distinctive and groundbreaking in its lyrical delivery and the way it exposed L.A. thug life on a national and international scale, but at the same time it really did a lot of damage. The city of Compton is STILL recovering from the effects of this record. It had gotten so bad that a neighborhood in Compton voted to rename their area "Rosewood, California" just to escape the stigma and to avoid their property values from further plummeting. The reputation of Black Los Angeles got f**ked up after this record came out (and was further mucked about with the rise of the "gangsta flicks" in the early '90s). As a Black Angeleno, I'll tell you firsthand that you can't go anywhere in the world without someone thinking you have drive-bys on your street and you're ducking bullets and s**t. I'll never forget my first year of college. "OMG, you're from L.A.?! Have you ever been shot at? Oh my g*d, WESSSTSIIIDE*! :::"W symbol":::"
If I was a white kid, it would've been. "OMG, you're from L.A.? Wow. It's so cool out there. Do you surf?" You make great points here. But I think NWA was trying, in some ways, to make a statement, particularly when it came to police corruption. A lot of it was nihilistic, tho. The problem is, imitators from all over came along to copy them for the sake of making money, not for trying to make a statement. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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JANFAN, MF Doom, De La, Common, Quasimoto (a/k/a Madlib), The Roots, and others are still holdin' it down. If Mos and Talib get their butts back in gear after subpar efforts, and if Digables and Tribe indeed reunite, they'll help too. Hip-hop remains alive because of the underground.
I actually liked the latest albums by Talib and Mos. And saw Talib live, I must admit he's much better live than he is on cd. Which is saying something. I also read in Vibe (I believe) that Mos says there will be another Black Star album. I think good hip hop still lives. Hell in the main stream there are still some good artists. Look at Kanye and the members of Outkast. They can rap. Also about the superproducers, I can see that. But there is one exception, Common's "Be". This is probably just a growing period for hip hop. I have to admit that it's awesome when you listen to artists mention from above, you got people workin' with them who you don't think would be feeling hip hop. Norah Jones and John Mayer being the biggest example. I mean I'm not suprised when I hear the likes of D'Angelo or Musiq Soulchild on someone else's album but damn Norah and John. Hah. | |
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I can't argue with 1994 but wasn't Yo MTV Raps big back then too? It was like a hip-hop explosion or at least becoming more mainstream. You also felt a part of a movement back then. Like things were going to change due to a Public Enemy song. Don't really get much of that today. Common tries but falls short in my opinion, not to put down his preaching. But then maybe again an 18-year old might feel different about it. I think age is also a factor. I mean when sampling came out, the public had no idea what it was really. I knew EPMD sampling Steve Miller Band sounded good but didn't know what it really was. It was just good. Now sampling is an extreme art form and whoever stays fresh and creative with it will sell. | |
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Adisa said: "Manufactured Rap Wars"
 He also forgot to mention the guest appearances on every track.The guest appearances are getting redundant.That's why I don't listen to the radio anymore.Within an hour,you hear 15 songs featuring the same five artist. larry luvlife
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pkidwell said: I can't argue with 1994 but wasn't Yo MTV Raps big back then too? It was like a hip-hop explosion or at least becoming more mainstream. You also felt a part of a movement back then. Like things were going to change due to a Public Enemy song. Don't really get much of that today. Common tries but falls short in my opinion, not to put down his preaching. But then maybe again an 18-year old might feel different about it. I think age is also a factor. I mean when sampling came out, the public had no idea what it was really. I knew EPMD sampling Steve Miller Band sounded good but didn't know what it really was. It was just good. Now sampling is an extreme art form and whoever stays fresh and creative with it will sell.
Sampling is really hurting hip hop. New beats and rhythms are needed. Don't get me wrong, some artists use samples tastefully but others just over do it. I think hip hop should have more bands with the emcees. Look at The Roots, it's hard to find a bad roots song. I like it when Prince sampled himself for "2morrow", it borrowed from "the most beautiful girl in the world." Regardless of Common's preaching, he's still doin' more for hip hop than 99% of artists out there. Main stream is what's killing real hip hop. It's get old hearing the same thing said over and over again. Hip hop was suppose to be like the blues, storytelling. | |
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well, im a old school person(r&b and rap),,,now a days u got too many damn rappers on each others albums...so that means u only rap aobut half of the
words,,,back in the days,,,the rapper did his own words and nobody else on his album (point blank)!! YOU ARE GIFTED IN MANY WASY | |
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Shapeshifter said: Hip Hop is dead.
These guys would beg to differ. 
 [Edited 6/22/05 16:43pm] Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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pkidwell said: I can't argue with 1994 but wasn't Yo MTV Raps big back then too? It was like a hip-hop explosion or at least becoming more mainstream. You also felt a part of a movement back then. Like things were going to change due to a Public Enemy song. Don't really get much of that today. Common tries but falls short in my opinion, not to put down his preaching. But then maybe again an 18-year old might feel different about it. I think age is also a factor. I mean when sampling came out, the public had no idea what it was really. I knew EPMD sampling Steve Miller Band sounded good but didn't know what it really was. It was just good. Now sampling is an extreme art form and whoever stays fresh and creative with it will sell.
Good points. You are right about the revolutionary feel of the sound of 1988, not to mention the emergence of Native Tongues that year and beyond. In 1994, it was like the revolution had spawned fruit and survived the commercialism that threatened to turn it into a fad. It showed hip-hop's next generation could sustain the genre. Hip-hop has no prospects for another year like that in the future. Most of the artists truly holdin' it down are from the 80's and early 90's. Almost none of the newer cats really command or deserve respect.  Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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jace said: Also about the superproducers, I can see that. But there is one exception, Common's "Be".
IMHO, Madlib is the best in the game today, period, end of story. But he doesn't get the pub like the Kanyes, Just Blazes, Neptunes of the world. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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some of you are slowly but surely turning into sounding like someones' parents or granparents 
"them was the good old days"
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jbell said: some of you are slowly but surely turning into sounding like someones' parents or granparents
"them was the good old days"
[Edited 6/23/05 10:18am] [Edited 6/23/05 10:19am] 
Then, dammit, so be it. [Edited 6/23/05 10:59am] Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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jbell said: some of you are slowly but surely turning into sounding like someones' parents or granparents
"them was the good old days"
[Edited 6/23/05 10:18am] [Edited 6/23/05 10:19am] S**t, at 23, and the state music is currently in -- I wouldn't mind joining the club at all. | |
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I must agree with nampeace 1994 is the the greatest year in 90's hip hop and quite possibly in hip hop period. I'm just glad that I was coming up during this time and my junior high memories are of Illmatic, THe Main Ingrident, Hard to Earn, Ready to Die, Blowoutcomb, Common Sense - Resurrection, Heck even Bone Thugs, than what kids listen to nowadays and will one day be force to reflect nostalgically on 50 cent  , Ja RUle, and Nelly. I'm glad I can remember a time before Fat Joe Sold out on thug tip, When Andre 3000 was just a dope MC in a cadillac. I may have been a youngsta during the first golden age with KRS and Kane. but I'm glad I was listening to Tribe and De La SOul instead of Hammer. I'm glad I can say that "It aint hard to tell'' or the Fugees "Nappy Heads(remix)" was the jam instead of White Tee, Hoe sit down, knuck if you buck, still Tippin, or Candy Shop.
Thank YOu 1994 /95  "Thinking like the Keys on Prince's piano, we'll be just fine" | |
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Why Real Hip Hop dosent suck:
 [Edited 6/23/05 18:03pm] "Thinking like the Keys on Prince's piano, we'll be just fine" | |
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Soulchild82 said: I must agree with nampeace 1994 is the the greatest year in 90's hip hop and quite possibly in hip hop period. I'm just glad that I was coming up during this time and my junior high memories are of Illmatic, THe Main Ingrident, Hard to Earn, Ready to Die, Blowoutcomb, Common Sense - Resurrection, Heck even Bone Thugs, than what kids listen to nowadays and will one day be force to reflect nostalgically on 50 cent
, Ja RUle, and Nelly. I'm glad I can remember a time before Fat Joe Sold out on thug tip, When Andre 3000 was just a dope MC in a cadillac. I may have been a youngsta during the first golden age with KRS and Kane. but I'm glad I was listening to Tribe and De La SOul instead of Hammer. I'm glad I can say that "It aint hard to tell'' or the Fugees "Nappy Heads(remix)" was the jam instead of White Tee, Hoe sit down, knuck if you buck, still Tippin, or Candy Shop.
Thank YOu 1994 /95 Don't forget all the Wu-Tang albums that came out during that 94-95 period also, Cuban Linx, Tical, Liquid Swords etc..... I was in tenth grade in 94-95 so that was a fun time for me. I Remember that summer how the Luniz joint "I GOT FIVE ON IT" was huge along with Biggie's "ONE MORE CHANCE' remix , Bone Thugz And Harmony's "FIRST OF THE MONTH" and AZ's "SUGAR HILL" , they got played to death here in Philly. [Edited 6/23/05 22:41pm] [Edited 6/23/05 22:42pm] | |
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namepeace said: Shapeshifter said: Hip Hop is dead.
These guys would beg to differ.
[Edited 6/22/05 16:43pm] Nope. Remember "De La Soul Is Dead"?  There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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Shapeshifter said: Nope. Remember "De La Soul Is Dead"? yeah that was a great album!! another mention to a great HIp hOp album to the 1994 era to keep up with namepeace honourable mentions. Beastie Boys Ill Communication 
another favourite of mine  may not be a classic but still a diamond compare to 2000s albums.
1989 was a great start Start to Hip HOp alhough 1994 has the best creative gems. its also the year most Rap albums was sold.. | |
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Shapeshifter said: namepeace said: These guys would beg to differ.
[Edited 6/22/05 16:43pm] Nope. Remember "De La Soul Is Dead"? Well, they've released more albums from the grave than Tupac! Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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twink69 said: hating on HIP HOP is sooo 2001. Have you ever thought maybe your just out of touch??
----- If I am out of touch with a style of music that demeans by communinity. Then I am okay with being out of touch. I'll dig up a couple of articles this year about rap and the war that is being raged against it in the black community. I am not the only person who dislike n hip-hop. | |
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CinisterCee said: I agree except for "superproducers" have always existed. In hiphop, the producer is the friggen band and often the DJ.
And don't front like you didn't see Hurby Luv Bug in all his acts' videos back in the day. Hurby was the f***ing man! He gave us Salt-N-Pepa & Kid-N-Play. | |
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CinisterCee said: I agree except for "superproducers" have always existed. In hiphop, the producer is the friggen band and often the DJ.
And don't front like you didn't see Hurby Luv Bug in all his acts' videos back in the day. ....and don't forget about the real first hip-hop superproducer: Rick Rubin!!! | |
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Namepeace: The exception of Common's be album was to where it said Kanye's production overshadows the emcee. And the exception was Common. | |
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JANFAN4L said: goat2004 said: Also, NWA (put the West on the map) with their PE inspired Straight Outta Compton - (the most authentic gangsta record) in 1988. So many people praise this album. It was distinctive and groundbreaking in its lyrical delivery and the way it exposed L.A. thug life on a national and international scale, but at the same time it really did a lot of damage. The city of Compton is STILL recovering from the effects of this record. It had gotten so bad that a neighborhood in Compton voted to rename their area "Rosewood, California" just to escape the stigma and to avoid their property values from further plummeting. The reputation of Black Los Angeles got f**ked up after this record came out (and was further mucked about with the rise of the "gangsta flicks" in the early '90s). As a Black Angeleno, I'll tell you firsthand that you can't go anywhere in the world without someone thinking you have drive-bys on your street and you're ducking bullets and s**t. I'll never forget my first year of college. "OMG, you're from L.A.?! Have you ever been shot at? Oh my g*d, WESSSTSIIIDE*! :::"W symbol":::"
If I was a white kid, it would've been. "OMG, you're from L.A.? Wow. It's so cool out there. Do you surf?" ...and to make matter worse, your L.A. Lakers traded Shaq in order to keep THAT egodriven Kobe happy!  But that's another thread..... | |
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jace said: Namepeace: The exception of Common's be album was to where it said Kanye's production overshadows the emcee. And the exception was Common.
No argument there! Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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namepeace said:[quote] goat2004 said: Hmmmmm, well, I don't know what year U were born but U might want to rethink that statement. 1988 - no comparison! http://www.amazon.com/exe...11-6131814 - 1988 albums goat, I've been down with hip-hop since the days of the Sugar Hill Gang. just the sugarhill gang? where were u when..... spoonie gee Flash & the five disco 4 treacherous 3 fearless four cold crush brothers funky 4 +1 more Disco Dave and the Crash Crew Fantastic 5 Kurtis Blow Super Rhymes Jeckyll & hyde Lady B. Sequence these are the cats that are true Hip hop and the pioneers | |
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TheRealFiness said: spoonie gee Flash & the five disco 4 treacherous 3 fearless four cold crush brothers funky 4 +1 more Disco Dave and the Crash Crew Fantastic 5 Kurtis Blow Super Rhymes Jeckyll & hyde Lady B. Sequence  | |
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TheRealFiness said: just the sugarhill gang? where were u when..... spoonie gee Flash & the five disco 4 Kurtis Blow these are the cats that are true Hip hop and the pioneers While I listened to several of the pioneers, I wasn't deep into hip-hop from jumpstreet. I grew up in the suburbs of the South, not the Boogie Down. I readily admit that. In any event, we're talking individual years, not eras. Even though what you say is mostly true (what makes Spoonie Gee true hip-hop and Jeru the Damaja NOT true hip-hop?), it's not the issue, all due respect. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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