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Reply #30 posted 06/21/05 8:22am

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Whatever instrument he tinkers at or can play he should have kept on playing it. It would be nice to add something new to the show after all these years. This is not to open the door to Madge haters but at least she tried with the guitar and actually got on stage with the darn thing.
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Reply #31 posted 06/21/05 8:33am

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Whatever instrument he tinkers at or can play he should have kept on playing it. It would be nice to add something new to the show after all these years. This is not to open the door to Madge haters but at least she tried with the guitar and actually got on stage with the darn thing.


I agree!
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Reply #32 posted 06/21/05 8:56am

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Whatever instrument he tinkers at or can play he should have kept on playing it. It would be nice to add something new to the show after all these years. This is not to open the door to Madge haters but at least she tried with the guitar and actually got on stage with the darn thing.


Respect...but once again, I think we need to stop devaluing performers and entertainers...As a P fan (not fam), do i think that Prince has more talent than Mike? Well, sure....Does this downgrade MJ? No...Does it devalue Mike that he he didn't play instruments onstage? No....MJ was essentially an exceptional song and dance man...And for a time he was the greatest entertainer before he got caught up chasing Thriller...Here's the point y'all: There are plenty of singers and entertainers that have reached true greatness without having any instrumental prowess...Frank Sinatra, Billie Holiday, Sammy Davis Jr., Rakim (yeah hip-hop haters, Rakim), Otis Redding, Tupac (yeah hip-hop again..deal with it...),James Brown (yeah i know played some piano, but he was an iconic song and dance man who had phenomenal production and leadership skills), Sam Cooke...I can go on and on...I think most of these folks would trump most true "musicians" anyday...
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Reply #33 posted 06/21/05 8:58am

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Okay...here's the reality...He's an adequete to above average lyricist at best...I think the MJ fans are touting Mike for the wrong reasons....MJ's gifts were his exceptional performance prowess (from 1970 to 1986) and his damn near perfect sense of melody which I believe is sorely underrated to this day...This revisionist history on MJ being a great lyricist is a little bit too much...I think it's cool to label him what he was: The greatest performer of his generation...that's nothing to be ashamed of...

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And he doesn't have to be....
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Reply #34 posted 06/21/05 9:17am

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I've only seen him play the piano, and I wish he would do that on stage!!!!
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Reply #35 posted 06/21/05 10:50am

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Damn, wasn't she fine before the entire Jackson family o.d. on the surgery???
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Reply #36 posted 06/21/05 10:59am

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murph said:

laurarichardson said:


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Co-Sign Why can't MJ fans accept Mike as a great signer and entertainer. Nothing wrong any of that. He is just not at P's level as a musician.



And he doesn't have to be....

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That is my point. He is a great entertainer and singer. Why are MJ fans always making up these fake instruments and trying to compare him to P?
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Reply #37 posted 06/21/05 11:03am

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laurarichardson said:

murph said:




Okay...here's the reality...He's an adequete to above average lyricist at best...I think the MJ fans are touting Mike for the wrong reasons....MJ's gifts were his exceptional performance prowess (from 1970 to 1986) and his damn near perfect sense of melody which I believe is sorely underrated to this day...This revisionist history on MJ being a great lyricist is a little bit too much...I think it's cool to label him what he was: The greatest performer of his generation...that's nothing to be ashamed of...

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Co-Sign Why can't MJ fans accept Mike as a great signer and entertainer. Nothing wrong any of that. He is just not at P's level as a musician.


y'know...as far as i'm concerned and i think other people feel this way too..it has nothing to do with prince (altho i have no doubt that it might 4 some)

its just...mikes been dancing and singing since forever...and aside from his production...and songwriting thats all he's really showed..

i think the point some people are trying to make is that it would be cool to see another side of him...we've seen the singer side, the dancer side, the songwriter side, the business man side, the producer side..but it would be cool to see the musician side..to see the side that can sit down @ a piano or sit @ the drums, or pick up a bass or guitar or whatever he plays and just do something on it..

he doesn't have to be prince @it..noones askin for him to change the face of music...it would just be cool to experience.
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Reply #38 posted 06/21/05 11:20am

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laurarichardson said:

GoldenGlove said:



YES!!

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Nothing as bad as MJ and I am glad someone put up a picture of Mike at the Piano. We have never seen Mike at any other instrument or speak of playing any other instrument. The lies really need to stop.


He's a percussionist. Listen to the 'Don't stop' demo. Randy, Janet and Michael are all clattering away on that. but i don't believe he's really any great shakes as a musician. his voice is his best instrument, that's how he writes, he's able to get across vocally in the studio the sound he's after.

I don't know why he's always getting ragged on for not playing though. It's just not his thing. Maybe that'll change as he gets older. shrug

i doubt it though, i'm not bothered.

Would 'Off The Wall' be better if Mike could have played everything?

Even if he could, again, i doubt it somehow.
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Reply #39 posted 06/21/05 11:40am

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Moonwalkbjrain said:

laurarichardson said:


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Co-Sign Why can't MJ fans accept Mike as a great signer and entertainer. Nothing wrong any of that. He is just not at P's level as a musician.


y'know...as far as i'm concerned and i think other people feel this way too..it has nothing to do with prince (altho i have no doubt that it might 4 some)

its just...mikes been dancing and singing since forever...and aside from his production...and songwriting thats all he's really showed..

i think the point some people are trying to make is that it would be cool to see another side of him...we've seen the singer side, the dancer side, the songwriter side, the business man side, the producer side..but it would be cool to see the musician side..to see the side that can sit down @ a piano or sit @ the drums, or pick up a bass or guitar or whatever he plays and just do something on it..

he doesn't have to be prince @it..noones askin for him to change the face of music...it would just be cool to experience.

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"drums, or pick up a bass or guitar" He does not play any of these instrutments. You will not see this at all and people think P fans are wild. (LOL)
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Reply #40 posted 06/21/05 11:47am

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laurarichardson said:

Moonwalkbjrain said:



y'know...as far as i'm concerned and i think other people feel this way too..it has nothing to do with prince (altho i have no doubt that it might 4 some)

its just...mikes been dancing and singing since forever...and aside from his production...and songwriting thats all he's really showed..

i think the point some people are trying to make is that it would be cool to see another side of him...we've seen the singer side, the dancer side, the songwriter side, the business man side, the producer side..but it would be cool to see the musician side..to see the side that can sit down @ a piano or sit @ the drums, or pick up a bass or guitar or whatever he plays and just do something on it..

he doesn't have to be prince @it..noones askin for him to change the face of music...it would just be cool to experience.

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"drums, or pick up a bass or guitar" He does not play any of these instrutments. You will not see this at all and people think P fans are wild. (LOL)


You sound so ignorant... LOL
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Reply #41 posted 06/21/05 5:54pm

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Moonwalkbjrain said:

laurarichardson said:


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Co-Sign Why can't MJ fans accept Mike as a great signer and entertainer. Nothing wrong any of that. He is just not at P's level as a musician.


y'know...as far as i'm concerned and i think other people feel this way too..it has nothing to do with prince (altho i have no doubt that it might 4 some)

its just...mikes been dancing and singing since forever...and aside from his production...and songwriting thats all he's really showed..

i think the point some people are trying to make is that it would be cool to see another side of him...we've seen the singer side, the dancer side, the songwriter side, the business man side, the producer side..but it would be cool to see the musician side..to see the side that can sit down @ a piano or sit @ the drums, or pick up a bass or guitar or whatever he plays and just do something on it..

he doesn't have to be prince @it..noones askin for him to change the face of music...it would just be cool to experience.


Agreed.....Let's face it Michael Jackson changed history as we know it he is a fascinating talent but I too think it would be cool to see the musician side. I accept Michael for what he is but one of the things that great artists do is evolve and as he has grown and evolved I would like to see his performance vary too. Interesting topic everyone...can anyone actually confirm via print or other media what Michael actually plays if anything?
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Reply #42 posted 06/22/05 12:46am

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Agreed.....Let's face it Michael Jackson changed history as we know it he is a fascinating talent but I too think it would be cool to see the musician side. I accept Michael for what he is but one of the things that great artists do is evolve and as he has grown and evolved I would like to see his performance vary too. Interesting topic everyone...can anyone actually confirm via print or other media what Michael actually plays if anything?


On Off The Wall Album he's credited for playing the percussion on Don't Stop Till You Get Enough and Working Day&Night.(also on Special Edition of Off The Wall, there are his home demos of DSTYGE and W D&N where he plays percussion)

On HIStory album he's credited for playing Drums,Percussion,Guitar and Keyboard

On Blood On Dance Floor Album he's credited for playing the Guitar and Drums for the song Morphine.

There' a footage of him playing piano on Dangerous The Short Films DVD (I'll be there)

that's pretty much it.
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Reply #43 posted 06/22/05 12:52am

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There' a footage of him playing piano on Dangerous The Short Films DVD (I'll be there)


It doesn't look like he's actually playing the thing; more like the piano is dubbed over. confused
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Reply #44 posted 06/22/05 12:55am

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I thought this was going to be about him wanking off on stage. sad
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Reply #45 posted 06/22/05 1:02am

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I thought this was going to be about him wanking off on stage. sad


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Reply #46 posted 06/22/05 9:09am

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krayzie said:

laurarichardson said:


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"drums, or pick up a bass or guitar" He does not play any of these instrutments. You will not see this at all and people think P fans are wild. (LOL)


You sound so ignorant... LOL

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I have never seen MJ play any instrument and you can give your self credit for something and not have actually done it. You don't think Mike would give himself credit for playing instruments when he does not really play any.

We have never even seen him play the piano. We see lot of pictures of Mike standing at a piano.

I don't think he play any instuments and you MJ fans need to stop coming on this board and making fools of yourselves.
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Reply #47 posted 06/22/05 9:11am

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prevch said:

Moonwalkbjrain said:



y'know...as far as i'm concerned and i think other people feel this way too..it has nothing to do with prince (altho i have no doubt that it might 4 some)

its just...mikes been dancing and singing since forever...and aside from his production...and songwriting thats all he's really showed..

i think the point some people are trying to make is that it would be cool to see another side of him...we've seen the singer side, the dancer side, the songwriter side, the business man side, the producer side..but it would be cool to see the musician side..to see the side that can sit down @ a piano or sit @ the drums, or pick up a bass or guitar or whatever he plays and just do something on it..

he doesn't have to be prince @it..noones askin for him to change the face of music...it would just be cool to experience.


Agreed.....Let's face it Michael Jackson changed history as we know it he is a fascinating talent but I too think it would be cool to see the musician side. I accept Michael for what he is but one of the things that great artists do is evolve and as he has grown and evolved I would like to see his performance vary too. Interesting topic everyone...can anyone actually confirm via print or other media what Michael actually plays if anything?

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No confirmation that he plays any instrument. Why would he not want to be seen performing with an instrument if he could play.
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Reply #48 posted 06/22/05 10:49am

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LightOfArt said:

prevch said:


Agreed.....Let's face it Michael Jackson changed history as we know it he is a fascinating talent but I too think it would be cool to see the musician side. I accept Michael for what he is but one of the things that great artists do is evolve and as he has grown and evolved I would like to see his performance vary too. Interesting topic everyone...can anyone actually confirm via print or other media what Michael actually plays if anything?


On Off The Wall Album he's credited for playing the percussion on Don't Stop Till You Get Enough and Working Day&Night.(also on Special Edition of Off The Wall, there are his home demos of DSTYGE and W D&N where he plays percussion)

On HIStory album he's credited for playing Drums,Percussion,Guitar and Keyboard

On Blood On Dance Floor Album he's credited for playing the Guitar and Drums for the song Morphine.

There' a footage of him playing piano on Dangerous The Short Films DVD (I'll be there)

that's pretty much it.
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Reply #49 posted 06/22/05 11:05am

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laurarichardson said:

prevch said:



Agreed.....Let's face it Michael Jackson changed history as we know it he is a fascinating talent but I too think it would be cool to see the musician side. I accept Michael for what he is but one of the things that great artists do is evolve and as he has grown and evolved I would like to see his performance vary too. Interesting topic everyone...can anyone actually confirm via print or other media what Michael actually plays if anything?

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No confirmation that he plays any instrument. Why would he not want to be seen performing with an instrument if he could play.


Because he has always sold his image as a entertainer... and maybe he wants to be seen as a entertainer/dancer than an instrumentalist...


All the Jackson brothers play different instruments so it's logical that Michael plays some instruments like his brothers, plus some musicians who worked on tour with him or recorded in studio have seen him playing instruments though, and he is credited to play some instruments in his last album...

I think Michael Jackson has nothing to prove, if he plays some instruments on stage, it's cool, but if he doesn't, it's all the same...

If he wanted to prove that he really can play instrument he would have done it by now...
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Reply #50 posted 06/22/05 12:47pm

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i havent seen mj play but i have heard him....the demo versions on the Off The Wall feature MJ, Randy and Janet on all instruments....


and its FUNK-A...

and these were written and arranged prior to Quincy's involvement.....the core of the songs are in tact....which disproves every haters claim that Quincy made MJ....

and oh yeah, have you MJ fans started your "Petition to get MJ therapy" request yet?
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Reply #51 posted 06/22/05 1:42pm

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sosgemini said:

i havent seen mj play but i have heard him....the demo versions on the Off The Wall feature MJ, Randy and Janet on all instruments....


and its FUNK-A...

and these were written and arranged prior to Quincy's involvement.....the core of the songs are in tact....which disproves every haters claim that Quincy made MJ....

and oh yeah, have you MJ fans started your "Petition to get MJ therapy" request yet?



he can play i'm sure of it... i saw an interview with Janet around RN1814 and she was playing the piano with Jimmy Jam
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Reply #52 posted 06/22/05 2:37pm

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I'm not an MJ hater, but MJ fans claim that Quincy did nothing is every bit as insulting as the claim Quincy made MJ.

Whether you can accept it or not he played a significant role.

It obviously irks some MJ fans that Prince get credit for total control over his stuff, so they need to pipe up with the "MJs demoes prove he can do it all"

I have heard his demoes, and agree the core basis of what they are is all down to MJ. But quincy made them what they are. Denying this is lunacy. And also simply untrue.

MJ was not 'nothing' without quincy (FAR,FAR from it), but he took him to a higher level. And that is a stone cold fact.

You're not gonna get MJ fans admitting this, especially on a Prince board.

MJs got Prince fucked when it comes to singing and dancing (light years ahead on dancing). But thats it.
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Reply #53 posted 06/22/05 2:54pm

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sermwanderer said:

I'm not an MJ hater, but MJ fans claim that Quincy did nothing is every bit as insulting as the claim Quincy made MJ.

Whether you can accept it or not he played a significant role.

It obviously irks some MJ fans that Prince get credit for total control over his stuff, so they need to pipe up with the "MJs demoes prove he can do it all"

I have heard his demoes, and agree the core basis of what they are is all down to MJ. But quincy made them what they are. Denying this is lunacy. And also simply untrue.
MJ was not 'nothing' without quincy (FAR,FAR from it), but he took him to a higher level. And that is a stone cold fact.

You're not gonna get MJ fans admitting this, especially on a Prince board.


MJs got Prince fucked when it comes to singing and dancing (light years ahead on dancing). But thats it.


the whole point of people bringing up the demos was 2 prove that mike could play an instrument, unless i misread noones trying to downsize Q's importance.

why won't u have mj fans admitting this? its the truth..hell i'm an mj fan and i'm saying it..nope quincy didn't MAKE mj a star...he helped make him an even bigger star..no shame in saying that.
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Reply #54 posted 06/22/05 6:02pm

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Moonwalkbjrain said:

sermwanderer said:

I'm not an MJ hater, but MJ fans claim that Quincy did nothing is every bit as insulting as the claim Quincy made MJ.

Whether you can accept it or not he played a significant role.

It obviously irks some MJ fans that Prince get credit for total control over his stuff, so they need to pipe up with the "MJs demoes prove he can do it all"

I have heard his demoes, and agree the core basis of what they are is all down to MJ. But quincy made them what they are. Denying this is lunacy. And also simply untrue.
MJ was not 'nothing' without quincy (FAR,FAR from it), but he took him to a higher level. And that is a stone cold fact.

You're not gonna get MJ fans admitting this, especially on a Prince board.


MJs got Prince fucked when it comes to singing and dancing (light years ahead on dancing). But thats it.


the whole point of people bringing up the demos was 2 prove that mike could play an instrument, unless i misread noones trying to downsize Q's importance.

why won't u have mj fans admitting this? its the truth..hell i'm an mj fan and i'm saying it..nope quincy didn't MAKE mj a star...he helped make him an even bigger star..no shame in saying that.

agreed MJ was a fan long before he even met quincy, quincy just turned helped catapult his career into superstardom. cool no shame in that
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Reply #55 posted 06/22/05 7:20pm

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agreed MJ was a fan long before he even met quincy, quincy just turned helped catapult his career into superstardom. no shame in that
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and oh yeah, have you MJ fans started your "Petition to get MJ therapy" request yet?


Why don't you mind your own business? If MJ is going to get therapy, he's going to get therapy. Screaming about it on this board over and over again isn't going to help. It's not our responsibility to see if MJ get therapy so get over it. If it bothers you so much then write a letter to him about it or pray about it.
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Reply #56 posted 06/22/05 7:27pm

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Does Janet say fuck on one of the demos biggrin Damn, those Jacksons must have argued like a mother lol
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Reply #57 posted 06/22/05 7:30pm

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BoOTyLiCioUs said:

agreed MJ was a fan long before he even met quincy, quincy just turned helped catapult his career into superstardom. no shame in that
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and oh yeah, have you MJ fans started your "Petition to get MJ therapy" request yet?


Why don't you mind your own business? If MJ is going to get therapy, he's going to get therapy. Screaming about it on this board over and over again isn't going to help. It's not our responsibility to see if MJ get therapy so get over it. If it bothers you so much then write a letter to him about it or pray about it.



Why dont you mind your own business? If i wanna post about MJ needing therapy, im gonna post it....Its not your responsibility to tell me what to post and what not to..If my posts bother you that much then ignore them....

it works both ways..doesnt it? thumbs up!

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Reply #58 posted 06/22/05 7:34pm

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What do you mean MJ would be nothin' with Quincy. Who made Destiny and Triumph. e he never teams up with QJ, his albums would have a similar sound too Destiny and Triump, which is not a bad thing.

Also, just because he dosn't play on stage, dosn't mean he can't play them.
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Reply #59 posted 06/23/05 12:56pm

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krayzie said:

laurarichardson said:


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No confirmation that he plays any instrument. Why would he not want to be seen performing with an instrument if he could play.


Because he has always sold his image as a entertainer... and maybe he wants to be seen as a entertainer/dancer than an instrumentalist...


All the Jackson brothers play different instruments so it's logical that Michael plays some instruments like his brothers, plus some musicians who worked on tour with him or recorded in studio have seen him playing instruments though, and he is credited to play some instruments in his last album...

I think Michael Jackson has nothing to prove, if he plays some instruments on stage, it's cool, but if he doesn't, it's all the same...

If he wanted to prove that he really can play instrument he would have done it by now...

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The Jackson brother play instruments not Mike. You guys have proved nothing because in over Thirty years the public has not seen Mike play an instument.
Demo's don't prove anything. Anyone could be playing those instruments on those tapes.
All of you need to look for that book that came out last year about CBS. It was written by Walter Y (can spell in last name) He was an excutive at CBS when Thriller was recorded and he had some interesting things to say about Mike trying take all the credit for Thriller from Quincy. I would not put it past Mike to put it out that he could play instuments.
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