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Printablesosgemini said: NeoSoulScribe said: Agreeing to disagree is no problem, YOU set out to add the extras on it by saying who'd I make a perfect match with and that I'm venting, totally unnecessary. And if they were trying to be an R&B band, how come they sang POP songs? Like I said, 2 R&B "sounding" songs don't make you a wanna-be R&B group. and like i said, "aint nobody gives a fuck what you think but yourself"... and that also applies to me..you cant change my opinion...period!! is it that hard of a thing to comprehend?  I don't know, is it? Since comprehension doesn't seem to be one of your strongpoints. Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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NeoSoulScribe said: sosgemini said: and like i said, "aint nobody gives a fuck what you think but yourself"... and that also applies to me..you cant change my opinion...period!! is it that hard of a thing to comprehend? I don't know, is it? Since comprehension doesn't seem to be one of your strongpoints.  | |
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NeoSoulScribe said: How in the fuck are you even giving "Typical R&B Group" as a choice when they WEREN'T EVEN R&B? Some of you people truly don't know music.
NO, half of the shit they put out WAS r&b, and just because you think someone made an honest mistake or misjudgment about the particular "style" or "repetoire" of a group, doesnt mean they dont know music. So, calm down.....  [Edited 6/19/05 22:20pm] They did WHAT??!.... 
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Hotlegs said: sosgemini said: yes they were.. I'm sorry but the NKOB were never a R&B band. To say that NKOB is R&B is like saying that Ozzy Osborne is an Soul singer which is an invalid statement. Why, because of their skintones, perhaps?  They did WHAT??!....
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thesexofit said: meow85 said: So where is the line drawn? Because a lot of R&B groups are just as manufactured and plastic as a lot of boybands are, and a lot of boybands have the same tight harmonies and rhythms that a lot of R&B groups do. Sometimes I wonder if it isn't about colour. (and I hate bringing that up, because I sincerely hope it isn't, and people who feel the need to make colour an issue where it shouldn't be are just fucking annoying) I've seen boybands with black members called R&B when they clearly weren't, and R&B groups with white members called boybands when they clearly weren't. The best example I can think of is a few years ago, when pop music had infected even the local music scene. One obviously "pop" group with black and native members was refered to by the local press as an R&B group. Another, more R&B-centric group with 3 white and one asian member were called a boyband. Was it a colour issue? I don't know. 
[Edited 6/18/05 15:48pm] Ur right. Colour is involved. Id new edition were white guys, then alot of people would dismiss it with no cred. Black makes it street, no matter how corny it is, like "candy girl". "the right stuff" is rnb. it is rnb pop, whatever that is? If NKOTB were black, alot more people would dig it. I agree with what your saying....I mean you have to think about it Maurice Star started both of those groups both of their early sounds,sounding very similar and very formulated and heavily R&B influenced...I agree color does play an issue here...and it's not to say in the last days of their careers that NKOTB didn't switch it up to mall rat/bubblegum music...and I do remember the first time I heard "The Right stuff" before even seeing what these cats looked like,right before their explosion took off in late 88...I thought they were black,and being a very cultured Boriqua which really ain't got shit to do with it...just want to play the race card too...I know my R&B!!!! I am not African. Africa is in me, but I cannot return.
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NeoSoulScribe said: meow85 said: So where is the line drawn? Because a lot of R&B groups are just as manufactured and plastic as a lot of boybands are, and a lot of boybands have the same tight harmonies and rhythms that a lot of R&B groups do. Sometimes I wonder if it isn't about colour. (and I hate bringing that up, because I sincerely hope it isn't, and people who feel the need to make colour an issue where it shouldn't be are just fucking annoying) I've seen boybands with black members called R&B when they clearly weren't, and R&B groups with white members called boybands when they clearly weren't. The best example I can think of is a few years ago, when pop music had infected even the local music scene. One obviously "pop" group with black and native members was refered to by the local press as an R&B group. Another, more R&B-centric group with 3 white and one asian member were called a boyband. Was it a colour issue? I don't know.
[Edited 6/18/05 15:48pm] Name a manufactured R&B group. In other words, name an R&B group that was "thrown together" just to make money and not real music. And I've never seen any Black boy bands because they weren't bands but groups. Maybe that's the difference. The white kids called themselves bands while the Black kids called them groups. And what Black boy band/group do you know that is a POP group/band? uhm B2muthafuckin K.....and whether some in is called a band(white) or a group(black) is irrelevant that shit was made up by music industry insiders,because all the white folks I know,know that bands play instruments...so in an interchangeable musical climate the shit has all come to mean the same...unfortunately,regardless of the colors or race of it's members. I am not African. Africa is in me, but I cannot return.
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kiss85 said: NeoSoulScribe said: How in the fuck are you even giving "Typical R&B Group" as a choice when they WEREN'T EVEN R&B? Some of you people truly don't know music.
NO, half of the shit they put out WAS r&b, and just because you think someone made an honest mistake or misjudgment about the particular "style" or "repetoire" of a group, doesnt mean they dont know music. So, calm down.....
[Edited 6/19/05 22:20pm] You prove my case just with that post. This is why I laugh at some people when they claim they know R&B. You're one of the frauds I speak daily of. But just to show you I'm a fair man, name 10 R&B songs by New Kids On The Block. That's WELL under HALF of what YOU claim they did that was R&B. Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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kiss85 said: Hotlegs said: I'm sorry but the NKOB were never a R&B band. To say that NKOB is R&B is like saying that Ozzy Osborne is an Soul singer which is an invalid statement. Why, because of their skintones, perhaps? No, because of their songs. DUH! Teen Marie = R&B. She sang R&B songs, put out R&B albums. NKOTB = Pop scrubs that had a couple of R&B "sounding" songs = Does NOT make you an R&B group. Good grief! Where do these underlings come from? You don't know music at all, do you? Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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boriquateddy said: NeoSoulScribe said: Name a manufactured R&B group. In other words, name an R&B group that was "thrown together" just to make money and not real music. And I've never seen any Black boy bands because they weren't bands but groups. Maybe that's the difference. The white kids called themselves bands while the Black kids called them groups. And what Black boy band/group do you know that is a POP group/band? uhm B2muthafuckin K.....and whether some in is called a band(white) or a group(black) is irrelevant that shit was made up by music industry insiders,because all the white folks I know,know that bands play instruments...so in an interchangeable musical climate the shit has all come to mean the same...unfortunately,regardless of the colors or race of it's members. Explain to me how B2K was formed. And I need to warn you, I know their manager/producer so you better come correct. Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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NeoSoulScribe said: kiss85 said: Why, because of their skintones, perhaps? No, because of their songs. DUH! Teen Marie = R&B. She sang R&B songs, put out R&B albums. NKOTB = Pop scrubs that had a couple of R&B "sounding" songs = Does NOT make you an R&B group. Good grief! Where do these underlings come from? You don't know music at all, do you?  | |
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NeoSoulScribe said: boriquateddy said: uhm B2muthafuckin K.....and whether some in is called a band(white) or a group(black) is irrelevant that shit was made up by music industry insiders,because all the white folks I know,know that bands play instruments...so in an interchangeable musical climate the shit has all come to mean the same...unfortunately,regardless of the colors or race of it's members. Explain to me how B2K was formed. And I need to warn you, I know their manager/producer so you better come correct. | |
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Stymie said: thesexofit said: Not related but NKOTB's "never let you go" woulda been huge if blackstreet did it. Of course, it helps if teddy riley wrote the cut. So point is, stations gotta rep to keep, so they just fuck NKOTB up the ass as their image ain't with the stations. But that cut was solid rnb (and good rnb too) Donny osmonds late 80's comeback hit "soldier of love" (not an rnb cut  ) was deliberately played without the dj's saying who the song was buy. To avoid labelling. It worked. When stations finially told, after the airplay was huge, people were shocked. Lukcily it worked.
[Edited 6/18/05 19:54pm] Also, Luther Vandross is R&B, Teena is R&B, Patti LaBelle is R&B, nothing and I mean nothing is R&B about NKOTB. Had Blackstreet recorded that song, they would have given it a soulful sound. You can't sing soul if you don't have any. The donny referance (i did say I knew "soldeir of love" was not an rnb song) was put in because labelling happens in the music industry. White kids can do rnb. But people label white kids as being devopid of creating or singing any at times | |
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NeoSoulScribe said: But just to show you I'm a fair man, name 10 R&B songs by New Kids On The Block. That's WELL under HALF of what YOU claim they did that was R&B. Yeah Iam starting to agree with u, though I only ever mentioned "the right stuff" though really. Their first was rnb. "i'll be loving u forever" is corny as fuck but is soulful right? It is hard where to draw the line, but I'll try dagnamit! As boriquateddy said, at first, they were more rnb. Their "step by step" album didn't have any really and their remix album was house with a lil' hiphop. Last album was not only rnb, but mature adult contemporary too (or middle of the road ).NKOTB's first album, with "stop it girl" IS new edition song. Rnb for kids could be a label u could attached to it?
Its funny but I thought nothing of lead singer jordan knight until "give it to you" dropped. Then I thought he could be huge. He had balls slowing down a Prince "classic", "i could never take the place of your man". Not a bad album, but he didn't drop anything after that 
Then justin comes in, justin is very much like jordan K. Vocally, the looks they have, the backgrounds in music. But jordan has a better voice LOL. Anyway, maurice used rnb tools for their "hangion tough" album. He wanted a tough image, one which boybands traditionally didn't have, he did it with new edtion, and started doing it with NKOTB. As for naming ten songs. I can come close The right stuff Please dont girl girl No more games You got the flavour Girls Never let you go Mrs right Lets play house Ever since you walked into my life Whatcha' gonna do about it (cheesy as fuck, but the rythem is their) Baby I beleive in you Dirty dawg True, all only hint at what could be considered rnb (though these tunes were not newjack in the slightest), but back then, this WAS pop, BUT it had an rnb edge, even though it was classified pop. U see my point? Maurice knew that, and wanted to appeal to black and white kids. Nsyncs sound was pop for the most part. [Edited 6/20/05 15:47pm] | |
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thesexofit said: NeoSoulScribe said: But just to show you I'm a fair man, name 10 R&B songs by New Kids On The Block. That's WELL under HALF of what YOU claim they did that was R&B. Yeah Iam starting to agree with u, though I only ever mentioned "the right stuff" though really. Their first was rnb. "i'll be loving u forever" is corny as fuck but is soulful right? It is hard where to draw the line, but I'll try dagnamit! As boriquateddy said, at first, they were more rnb. Their "step by step" album didn't have any really and their remix album was house with a lil' hiphop. Last album was not only rnb, but mature adult contemporary too (or middle of the road ).NKOTB's first album, with "stop it girl" IS new edition song. Rnb for kids could be a label u could attached to it?
Its funny but I thought nothing of lead singer jordan knight until "give it to you" dropped. Then I thought he could be huge. He had balls slowing down a Prince "classic", "i could never take the place of your man". Not a bad album, but he didn't drop anything after that
Then justin comes in, justin is very much like jordan K. Vocally, the looks they have, the backgrounds in music. But jordan has a better voice LOL. Anyway, maurice used rnb tools for their "hangion tough" album. He wanted a tough image, one which boybands traditionally didn't have, he did it with new edtion, and started doing it with NKOTB. As for naming ten songs. I can come close The right stuff Please dont girl girl No more games You got the flavour Girls Never let you go Mrs right Lets play house Ever since you walked into my life Whatcha' gonna do about it (cheesy as fuck, but the rythem is their) Baby I beleive in you Dirty dawg True, all only hint at what could be considered rnb (though these tunes were not newjack in the slightest), but back then, this WAS pop, BUT it had an rnb edge, even though it was classified pop. U see my point? Maurice knew that, and wanted to appeal to black and white kids. Nsyncs sound was pop for the most part. [Edited 6/20/05 15:47pm] Well, dawg, I give you credit for making the effort at least. But naw, maybe 4 of those songs had an &&B vibe to it. And Jordan did do a nice job on I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man. To make it a slow song was pretty tight. Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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NeoSoulScribe said: thesexofit said: Yeah Iam starting to agree with u, though I only ever mentioned "the right stuff" though really. Their first was rnb. "i'll be loving u forever" is corny as fuck but is soulful right? It is hard where to draw the line, but I'll try dagnamit! As boriquateddy said, at first, they were more rnb. Their "step by step" album didn't have any really and their remix album was house with a lil' hiphop. Last album was not only rnb, but mature adult contemporary too (or middle of the road ).NKOTB's first album, with "stop it girl" IS new edition song. Rnb for kids could be a label u could attached to it?
Its funny but I thought nothing of lead singer jordan knight until "give it to you" dropped. Then I thought he could be huge. He had balls slowing down a Prince "classic", "i could never take the place of your man". Not a bad album, but he didn't drop anything after that
Then justin comes in, justin is very much like jordan K. Vocally, the looks they have, the backgrounds in music. But jordan has a better voice LOL. Anyway, maurice used rnb tools for their "hangion tough" album. He wanted a tough image, one which boybands traditionally didn't have, he did it with new edtion, and started doing it with NKOTB. As for naming ten songs. I can come close The right stuff Please dont girl girl No more games You got the flavour Girls Never let you go Mrs right Lets play house Ever since you walked into my life Whatcha' gonna do about it (cheesy as fuck, but the rythem is their) Baby I beleive in you Dirty dawg True, all only hint at what could be considered rnb (though these tunes were not newjack in the slightest), but back then, this WAS pop, BUT it had an rnb edge, even though it was classified pop. U see my point? Maurice knew that, and wanted to appeal to black and white kids. Nsyncs sound was pop for the most part. [Edited 6/20/05 15:47pm] Well, dawg, I give you credit for making the effort at least. But naw, maybe 4 of those songs had an &&B vibe to it. And Jordan did do a nice job on I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man. To make it a slow song was pretty tight. Its hard I know, but rnb can be cheesy too. U couldn't of listened to all those songs? Most people forget "dirty dawg". That was an rnb cut. Poppy, but madonna it was not. Maruice's new edtion and NKOTB both paved the way for more rnb type boybands again. And that was originated from the jackson 5, who were still bubblegum as fuck but still had some soul appeal, osmonds they were not, bay city rollers (uk boyband) they were not | |
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NeoSoulScribe said: boriquateddy said: uhm B2muthafuckin K.....and whether some in is called a band(white) or a group(black) is irrelevant that shit was made up by music industry insiders,because all the white folks I know,know that bands play instruments...so in an interchangeable musical climate the shit has all come to mean the same...unfortunately,regardless of the colors or race of it's members. Explain to me how B2K was formed. And I need to warn you, I know their manager/producer so you better come correct. regardless how that Chris Stokes(Smooth's brother Yes baby I'm throwback too!!!)cat put them together is irrelevant...they still do the same ish NKOTB did equally as corny and equally as bubblegum. and as far as NKOTB they may not have been your typical R&B group...but you can not deny that they were not heavily R&B influenced especially in the beginning. [Edited 6/20/05 16:56pm] I am not African. Africa is in me, but I cannot return.
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NeoSoulScribe said: thesexofit said: Yeah Iam starting to agree with u, though I only ever mentioned "the right stuff" though really. Their first was rnb. "i'll be loving u forever" is corny as fuck but is soulful right? It is hard where to draw the line, but I'll try dagnamit! As boriquateddy said, at first, they were more rnb. Their "step by step" album didn't have any really and their remix album was house with a lil' hiphop. Last album was not only rnb, but mature adult contemporary too (or middle of the road ).NKOTB's first album, with "stop it girl" IS new edition song. Rnb for kids could be a label u could attached to it?
Its funny but I thought nothing of lead singer jordan knight until "give it to you" dropped. Then I thought he could be huge. He had balls slowing down a Prince "classic", "i could never take the place of your man". Not a bad album, but he didn't drop anything after that
Then justin comes in, justin is very much like jordan K. Vocally, the looks they have, the backgrounds in music. But jordan has a better voice LOL. Anyway, maurice used rnb tools for their "hangion tough" album. He wanted a tough image, one which boybands traditionally didn't have, he did it with new edtion, and started doing it with NKOTB. As for naming ten songs. I can come close The right stuff Please dont girl girl No more games You got the flavour Girls Never let you go Mrs right Lets play house Ever since you walked into my life Whatcha' gonna do about it (cheesy as fuck, but the rythem is their) Baby I beleive in you Dirty dawg True, all only hint at what could be considered rnb (though these tunes were not newjack in the slightest), but back then, this WAS pop, BUT it had an rnb edge, even though it was classified pop. U see my point? Maurice knew that, and wanted to appeal to black and white kids. Nsyncs sound was pop for the most part. [Edited 6/20/05 15:47pm] Well, dawg, I give you credit for making the effort at least. But naw, maybe 4 of those songs had an &&B vibe to it. And Jordan did do a nice job on I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man. To make it a slow song was pretty tight.  He did do P's song some justice. I didn't sound too damn wack. | |
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boriquateddy said: NeoSoulScribe said: Explain to me how B2K was formed. And I need to warn you, I know their manager/producer so you better come correct. regardless how that Chris Stokes(Smooth's brother Yes baby I'm throwback too!!!)cat put them together is irrelevant...they still do the same ish NKOTB did equally as corny and equally as bubblegum. and as far as NKOTB they may not have been your typical R&B group...but you can not deny that they were not heavily R&B influenced especially in the beginning. [Edited 6/20/05 16:56pm] Isn't chris stokes gay? | |
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Maybe it was their production,but I could never put NKOTB in the R&B group genre.Backstreet Boys and NSYNC are more R&B than the New Kids. larry luvlife
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larryluvlife said: Choooh0 said: Post all opinions here
Maybe it was their production,but I could never put NKOTB in the R&B group genre.Backstreet Boys and NSYNC are more R&B than the New Kids. Nsync were pop man  "every little thing I do" or whatever it was called was pop. As was "everybody (backstreets back)". Maybe backstreets ballads might be more rnb though. | |
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meow85 said: Can anyone show where the line between "boyband" and "R&B group" is drawn? Because as far as I can see, if there is one, it's a damn fine line.
Now there is a good topic.What is the difference between a "Boyband" and a R&B group. The industry would say"boybands are white and R&B groups are black".Music fans would say R&B groups are organic,and boy bands are the creations of record companies and impresarios. larry luvlife
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Stymie said: Sirah said: eh... I guess I like R&b-ish pop?
It's not about color. It's about soul/R&B music. AWB was all white except for one member and they were an R&B act. Color means nothing when describing this music. All4One was pop. They never played them on R&B stations in Chicago.Ahh-ny-way, I have this particular GROUP in mind, and I read the threag´d, and now I don't know if y'all classify them as Pop or R&B... What is All4One? onw white member as far as I see clearly, very smooth songs... I know a lot of people will disagree with this,but I would consider Justin Timberlake an R&B artist.Yes I know he's in a boyband,and yes I know he's Caucasian,but close your eyes and just listen to his CD.It's R&B! larry luvlife
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larryluvlife said: meow85 said: Can anyone show where the line between "boyband" and "R&B group" is drawn? Because as far as I can see, if there is one, it's a damn fine line.
Now there is a good topic.What is the difference between a "Boyband" and a R&B group. The industry would say"boybands are white and R&B groups are black".Music fans would say R&B groups are organic,and boy bands are the creations of record companies and impresarios.  Well Said Larry. | |
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NeoSoulScribe said: How in the fuck are you even giving "Typical R&B Group" as a choice when they WEREN'T EVEN R&B? Some of you people truly don't know music.
I'm actually clarifying the point that nkotb IS a boy band to someone else, and I'm getting opinions on that, hence the topic | |
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thesexofit said: NeoSoulScribe said: But just to show you I'm a fair man, name 10 R&B songs by New Kids On The Block. That's WELL under HALF of what YOU claim they did that was R&B. Yeah Iam starting to agree with u, though I only ever mentioned "the right stuff" though really. Their first was rnb. "i'll be loving u forever" is corny as fuck but is soulful right? It is hard where to draw the line, but I'll try dagnamit! As boriquateddy said, at first, they were more rnb. Their "step by step" album didn't have any really and their remix album was house with a lil' hiphop. Last album was not only rnb, but mature adult contemporary too (or middle of the road ).NKOTB's first album, with "stop it girl" IS new edition song. Rnb for kids could be a label u could attached to it?
Its funny but I thought nothing of lead singer jordan knight until "give it to you" dropped. Then I thought he could be huge. He had balls slowing down a Prince "classic", "i could never take the place of your man". Not a bad album, but he didn't drop anything after that
Then justin comes in, justin is very much like jordan K. Vocally, the looks they have, the backgrounds in music. But jordan has a better voice LOL. Anyway, maurice used rnb tools for their "hangion tough" album. He wanted a tough image, one which boybands traditionally didn't have, he did it with new edtion, and started doing it with NKOTB. As for naming ten songs. I can come close The right stuff Please dont girl girl No more games You got the flavour Girls Never let you go Mrs right Lets play house Ever since you walked into my life Whatcha' gonna do about it (cheesy as fuck, but the rythem is their) Baby I beleive in you Dirty dawg True, all only hint at what could be considered rnb (though these tunes were not newjack in the slightest), but back then, this WAS pop, BUT it had an rnb edge, even though it was classified pop. U see my point? Maurice knew that, and wanted to appeal to black and white kids. Nsyncs sound was pop for the most part. [Edited 6/20/05 15:47pm] The songs on "Face the Music" on good attempts, but are not r&b an all the other songs on pop. All pop is is a watered-down attempt at r&b | |
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Anyone who thinks New Kids is R&B (and I'm not referring to the original post) doesn't know R&B. The Right Stuff? That shit is as pop as it gets. New Edition was originally rooted in an R&B sound with Cool it Now and all of those songs but they were largely pop which by my definition means commercial product. I liked Please Don't Go Girl back in the day but it's a ballad type song, not R&B. R&B is a rich, musical sound with some bounce or flavor to it not the generic music and harmonizing you hear from these groups.
For the record, I don't consider Babyface, Whitney, Mariah, and artists with those types of sound R&B either. They are pop-stars. |
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whodknee said: Anyone who thinks New Kids is R&B (and I'm not referring to the original post) doesn't know R&B.
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NeoSoulScribe said: kiss85 said:
NO, half of the shit they put out WAS r&b, and just because you think someone made an honest mistake or misjudgment about the particular "style" or "repetoire" of a group, doesnt mean they dont know music. So, calm down.....
[Edited 6/19/05 22:20pm] You prove my case just with that post. This is why I laugh at some people when they claim they know R&B. You're one of the frauds I speak daily of. But just to show you I'm a fair man, name 10 R&B songs by New Kids On The Block. That's WELL under HALF of what YOU claim they did that was R&B. One of the "frauds" you speak of, huh? As if I don't know music? Sweetie, you don't know me. Don't DARE go there..... 
Anyways, go to cdzinc.com and listen to 'em: *I'll Be Loving You (Forever) *Valentine Girl *Let's Try It Again *If You Go Away *Hangin' Tough *I Remember When *Whatcha Gonna Do (About It) *Baby, I Believe In You *Please Don't Go Girl and.....*Didn't I Blow Your Mind - an original cut by The Delfonics - which is an R&B cut!!!!! Now get a Q-Tip and clean them ears.  They did WHAT??!....
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MsLegs said: whodknee said: Anyone who thinks New Kids is R&B (and I'm not referring to the original post) doesn't know R&B.
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