meow85 said:

Because in the colloquial realm, almost no one thinks of "pop" music in that manner. That is where the term had its origin, yes, but connotations change with time in English.

thesexofit said:

Bro, Sam was Soul. End of story. He had his roots in Gospel and then blended it with secular music. And Pop NOW is WAY different from Pop THEN.

NeoSoulScribe said:

Thank you.

meow85 said:

How was Next manufactured and how were they pop? I've never heard of Imajin and Code Red (Thank the good Lord probably).

I think you guys think that if an R&B song hits the Pop station then it AUTOMATICALLY turns that group and or song into Pop and that's not the case. Next was NEVER a pop group.

meow85 said:

Ok, cool. But Pop isn't what SOME OF THOSE GROUPS called themselves. See, what you're trying to do is put them into pop once they get 'POPULAR' but ask Prince if he's pop and I bet he'll pop you in the mouth! LOL! Popular is what YOU wanna make them out to be once they hit the pop stations, but Lenny Kravitz would NEVER deem himself POP. Trust me. Prince would NEVER deem himself POP. Some of you guys think Pop stations are the end all of what a group is categorized in, and you're wrong.
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VoicesCarry said:

Bam! Right in the mark. Meow wants groups to be pop because she first hears it on a pop station.

meow85 said:

And on that note, folks, this debate is OFFICIALLY DONE. LOL!

NeoSoulScribe said:

The definition is completely vague and pointless, anyway. You may as well call it by its real name: music. How do you set gold standards for defining something as "pop" by the popularity definition, anyway? 100,000 units sold? Gold? Platinum? How many spins on the radio does it take? No one thinks of it like that.

VoicesCarry said:

I hear ya.

Anyway, "right stuff" is rnb pop.

thesexofit said:

bingo.....you can call it white people r&b but that song would have been r&b if someone like bobby brown had recorded it....

to call it anything but r*b is silly...

just like all the "folks" that got pissy that george michael won an r*b grammy and soul train awards...

these threads.....same shit over and over.....reverse racism is a b*tch..

eh... I guess I like R&b-ish pop?



Ahh-ny-way, I have this particular GROUP in mind, and I read the threag´d, and now I don't know if y'all classify them as Pop or R&B...
What is All4One? onw white member as far as I see clearly, very smooth songs...

NeoSoulScribe said:

Bullshit. I haven't listened to top 40 radio since I was 12.

Groups are pop because they're popular. Colloquialisms be damned. Just because the general idiot public thinks something, doesn't make it right. In this case, just because people think "pop" refers only to manufactured boybands and pop princesses, doesn't mean a thing. Most people think irregardless is a real word, too.
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sosgemini said:

But YOU tried to say NKOTB was an R&B group based off 2 SINGLES. Way wrong. Wronger than Michael Jackson at a Boy Scouts meeting.

meow85 said:

Ok, well, considering we're living in the real world and not a snooty music faculty, I think I'm going to to go with what the "general idiot public" (myself included, thankyouverymuch) considers pop. The meaning has changed since the term emerged - ignore it if you want, but there it is.
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Sirah said:

Pop.

VoicesCarry said:

There's no set number for what constitutes popular and what doesn't. But if something does manage to become popular, it's "pop"ular music.

Why people get so wound up about this is beyond me. Perhaps if they stopped assigning their own assumptions to the term, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

meow85 said:

You REALLY don't know what text the term 'POP' is being used in this debate, do you?

sosgemini said:

Oh yeah. That was my thread Yeah that got pretty heated.

VoicesCarry said:

I agree. Pop in this instance isn't what the term was originally intended. BUT, if you wanna just say Popular music, then I guess 50 Cent is POP. Right?

meow85 said:

So define "popular" - what turns every genre into pop?

meow85 said:

And you aren't? Puh-leeze.

meow85 said:

Well if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black. Aren't YOU applying YOUR own assumptions as well?
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NeoSoulScribe said:

There is a definite distinction between "popular" music and pop music.

VoicesCarryFurther said:

Bingo!

NeoSoulScribe said:

Dont encourage him. Bingo is next week.

thesexofit said:

You really must be drunk tonight, as sos noted on the healthy diet thread

sosgemini said:

Color has zero to do with it, SOS. N'Sync (excuse me ) had an R&b cut with Gone. I do not recall NKOTB being played on any R&B station in Chicago at the time. Please Don't Go Girl was garbage and no one I know considered it or The Right Stuff to be R&B.

thesexofit said:

Yahtzee!

Stymie said:

Not related but NKOTB's "never let you go" woulda been huge if blackstreet did it. Of course, it helps if teddy riley wrote the cut. So point is, stations gotta rep to keep, so they just fuck NKOTB up the ass as their image ain't with the stations. But that cut was solid rnb (and good rnb too)

Donny osmonds late 80's comeback hit "soldier of love" (not an rnb cut ) was deliberately played without the dj's saying who the song was buy. To avoid labelling. It worked. When stations finially told, after the airplay was huge, people were shocked. Lukcily it worked.
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Sirah said:

It's not about color. It's about soul/R&B music. AWB was all white except for one member and they were an R&B act. Color means nothing when describing this music. All4One was pop. They never played them on R&B stations in Chicago.

Stymie said:

You're referring to the remix with Nelly, I assume? The original cut was as pop as pop gets.