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PrintableTiffypoo2004 said: Xagain said: God says so? 
And yes, it's true about the porn. You're just being ridiculous if you don't believe that. It's documented evidence. yes maybe the porn and shit but that wasnt a crime as they had said but other then that mj's innocent still. Not a crime he was charged with. There were pictures of underaged boys in that porn, including explicit pics. And regardless of the verdict, I still say that any adult man who is proud of his sleepovers with young boys, behind locked doors, with no other adults present, is a sick fuck. And people who think there's nothing wrong with that are sick too. | |
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GeminiMoon said: Xagain said: What are you talking about? The juror saying "What mother would allow this to go on?" WHAT to go on, if he's innocent? Or the juror saying that "He wasn't on trial for possession of child porn." Clearly, it was not a weak case. Jackson is an 46-yo man who regularly sleeps with a plethora of pre-teen boys. If this were a man in your neighborhood, would you say it was a weak case? And what kind of proof do you think exists in a molestation case? A blue dress? Unless a pedophile is caught in the act, there's almost never any evidence. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't all ready to hang him right away. But when he wasn't even convicted of giving alcohol to minors, something that witnesses even testified to helping him do, clearly justice was not served. And whatever about Nancy Grace. She is a smart chic that says some hard truths and has balls of steel. If Jackson was the guy next door, he would't have stood a chance. But the accuser's mom was a bitch. And a freak. She pissed off the jury, and that's what swung it. Some people want Jackson to be guilty so bad. Its almost sick how bad some people want Michael to fry. yeah people want Michael to burn but guess what it aint gonna happen jack. 10 counts NOT GUILTY SO THE JUSTICE PREVAILED!!! so people need to hang it up.   | |
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SassyBritches said: sosgemini said: (for the record..i support the verdict....but i still have a sense of perspective...one that seems to correspond with the jackson family..hence them *not* making grandstand speeches after the verdict ala OJ and robert blake...unlike mj's fans calling this a day parrallel to MLK's b-day and Nelson Mandela being free? please!!)
haven't been to mj's official site, www.mjjsource.com , have you? where do you think those folks got the notion of comparing it to mlk's birthday and nelson mandela's day of release? and there's NOTHING wrong with a person celebrating their acquittal. most of us, whether we admit it or not, would do the very same thing if we were in those shoes. what's wrong with saying "i told you so" when the entire us media had him pegged as guilty? sure, theres a graceful way of handling this situation..and then theres the one you propose.....if the mj official site was approved by mj (which something tells me it wasnt) then im sure mj will give it a go and kill any goodwill remaining for him... ditto janet...if they go at this like bitches, decrying the media instead of taking ownership then its over... the majority of the public is gonna walk away from these people forever. all accept the fanatical who have been defending this man as if he has done no wrong...  Space for sale... | |
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Xagain said:
Whatever the verdict, Jackson is not innocent. Any 46 y.o. man that has a closet full of naked kiddie pictures and sleeps with an array of pre-teen boys is not innocent, regardless of whether he's caught fondling them or not. He's a sick fuck. Was it kiddie porn that they found? I heard they found porn but I didn't know what kind. If this is true, there is no doubt in my mind that he is guilty. Did anyone watch Nancy Grace on Headline News tonight? Good show. The truth is, the jury acquitted him because they thought (and rightly so) that the accuser's mother was an opportunistic grifter.
Did anyone hear the comments of the jurors afterward? Very telling. I watched her show on CNN this evening. I thought it was great. I like ole Nancy, she's a "bitch" and everyone knows I have a great admiration for "bitches" in the highest form of respect. I think she doesn't like Michael Jackson personally (which is wrong) but she still asks perfect questions. She really made that juror squirm. He tried his best not to admit that he personally thought Michael was guilty but he had to vote innocent because there wasn't any evidence. I also loved it when she asked him about the lady juror that said "What kind of mother would let her son sleep with Michael Jackson?". That definately shows the lady juror thought he was guilty but could not prove it. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Xagain said: Tiffypoo2004 said: yes maybe the porn and shit but that wasnt a crime as they had said but other then that mj's innocent still. Not a crime he was charged with. There were pictures of underaged boys in that porn, including explicit pics. And regardless of the verdict, I still say that any adult man who is proud of his sleepovers with young boys, behind locked doors, with no other adults present, is a sick fuck. And people who think there's nothing wrong with that are sick too. people are the ones who sick if that think that mj would hurt a child even a child whose a liar at that. no am not saying that having underage pics of children or porn is right. but the juror worked what they had which was actual evidence and so called kiddie porn isnt enough evidence to convict a person alone. and its not known what kind of porn it was. if the evidence havent been proven its not credible. so obviously the prosecution didnt have much to work with if they did mj will be in jail now. [Edited 6/13/05 20:14pm] | |
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Tiffypoo2004 said: GeminiMoon said: Some people want Jackson to be guilty so bad. Its almost sick how bad some people want Michael to fry. yeah people want Michael to burn but guess what it aint gonna happen jack. 10 counts NOT GUILTY SO THE JUSTICE PREVAILED!!! so people need to hang it up. Yeah, and some people are so sold into Jackson's self-portrait of a saint-like martyr that they can't imagine him being guilty of such a dispicable crime and are blind to any evidence that he's a messed-up sicko freak. The not-guilty verdict may have been the right one, being that there did exist a "reasonable doubt" based on the fact that accuser's mom wasn't credible and was an unlikable opportunist. Alot like the finger-in-the-chili lady. But just based on what Jackson has said himself, he's a sick-o freak. And if you would allow your children to sleepover with a 47 y.o. man, whether he's Michael Jackson or not, you're just as sick. | |
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Xagain said: What are you talking about? The juror saying "What mother would allow this to go on?" WHAT to go on, if he's innocent? what the juror was saying was that she did not believe the story the mother was giving because if it had really happened, she didn't believe the woman would allow it to continue for as long as she did. the juror was not saying that she believed the story but held the mother accountable - she was saying that she did not believe her story added up. Xagain said: Or the juror saying that "He wasn't on trial for possession of child porn." Clearly, it was not a weak case. Jackson is an 46-yo man who regularly sleeps with a plethora of pre-teen boys. If this were a man in your neighborhood, would you say it was a weak case? he was not on trial for child porn. period. this jury followed the rules to a "T" and i applaud them for doing so. if this were a man in my neighborhood and the same case was presented...yes, i would have the same opinion. scott peterson is not a celebrity and i believed he should have been acquitted as well. i am not concerned with michael's celebrity but what i am concerned with is the lack of evidence that was shown. i am also concerned with the fact that while the jury - those who were in the courtroom hearing and seeing everything all day, every day - has declared michael not guilty, news media rodents like ms. dis-grace insist on calling him guilty. Xagain said: And what kind of proof do you think exists in a molestation case? A blue dress? Unless a pedophile is caught in the act, there's almost never any evidence.
a man with as much access to children would most certainly have more victims. even michael is not rich enough to pay off all the kids he would have molested. where is the corroboration? just because someone is accused of a crime that is difficult to prove does not mean we should automatically assume the defendent's guilt. Xagain said: And whatever about Nancy Grace. She is a smart chic that says some hard truths and has balls of steel.
nancy dis-grace is sad image of the prosecutor's of america. Xagain said: If Jackson was the guy next door, he would't have stood a chance. But the accuser's mom was a bitch. And a freak. She pissed off the jury, and that's what swung it.
i don't agree and the jury has repeatedly said otherwise. | |
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vainandy said: Xagain said:
Whatever the verdict, Jackson is not innocent. Any 46 y.o. man that has a closet full of naked kiddie pictures and sleeps with an array of pre-teen boys is not innocent, regardless of whether he's caught fondling them or not. He's a sick fuck. Was it kiddie porn that they found? I heard they found porn but I didn't know what kind. If this is true, there is no doubt in my mind that he is guilty. Did anyone watch Nancy Grace on Headline News tonight? Good show. The truth is, the jury acquitted him because they thought (and rightly so) that the accuser's mother was an opportunistic grifter.
Did anyone hear the comments of the jurors afterward? Very telling. I watched her show on CNN this evening. I thought it was great. I like ole Nancy, she's a "bitch" and everyone knows I have a great admiration for "bitches" in the highest form of respect. I think she doesn't like Michael Jackson personally (which is wrong) but she still asks perfect questions. She really made that juror squirm. He tried his best not to admit that he personally thought Michael was guilty but he had to vote innocent because there wasn't any evidence. I also loved it when she asked him about the lady juror that said "What kind of mother would let her son sleep with Michael Jackson?". That definately shows the lady juror thought he was guilty but could not prove it. She's a smart bitch though. She did make that juror squirm, and I think you're right. The jury knew that something was going on, but couldn't convict. | |
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SassyBritches said: Xagain said: What are you talking about? The juror saying "What mother would allow this to go on?" WHAT to go on, if he's innocent? what the juror was saying was that she did not believe the story the mother was giving because if it had really happened, she didn't believe the woman would allow it to continue for as long as she did. the juror was not saying that she believed the story but held the mother accountable - she was saying that she did not believe her story added up. nancy dis-grace is sad image of the prosecutor's of america. Xagain said: If Jackson was the guy next door, he would't have stood a chance. But the accuser's mom was a bitch. And a freak. She pissed off the jury, and that's what swung it.
i don't agree and the jury has repeatedly said otherwise. You...uh...DON'T THINK SCOTT PETERSON WAS GUILTY EITHER? 
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boriquateddy said: vainandy said: I think the mother of the victim is to blame for Michael Jackson walking because she is a money hungry con artist. She has gotten what she deserved (which is nothing) because of her greed. However, if Michael Jackson did molest this boy, she is also to blame for letting her son sleep with Michael and for being such a money hungry gold digger. It would be very easy for Michael to molest this boy and get away with it because who would ever believe a piece of money hungry trash like this boy's mother.
I personally believe he is guilty but could not be proven guilty. When they found porn in the house, that convinced me. The fact that he owns porn, means that he does have a sex drive so who is he using this drive on? He's never seen with men, he's never seen with women either. He's only seen with young boys. You can only look at porn for so long until you actually want to have some sort of sex. I used to wonder if he was asexual but the possession of the porn proves to me that he does have sexual urges just like everyone else. Knowing now, that he has sexual urges, owns porn, and has liquor in the house (all of which are adult things), I don't buy the fact that he is a grown man that "never grew up" so he could very innocently sleep in the same bed with a boy in his underwear. I could have believed it before, but I can't now. I don't blame the jury though because they did their job. He could not be proven guilty. I totally agree with your whole statement. Thank you. I've always tried to give him the benefit of the doubt and tried to understand him as a man that never grew up....but now he is doing adult things like looking at porn and drinking. Sex is the next thing that follows and who is he having sex with? I never see him with anyone except boys. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Tiffypoo2004 said: ELBOOGY said: A closet full. Don't believe that shit until they show it. And Nancy Grace's ass is full of shit. yes full of shit. yes i believe it when i sees it until then i dont believe none of that shit. mj innocent the juror says so and "God" says so too. WTF????? I am not African. Africa is in me, but I cannot return.
I am not taína. Taíno is in me, but there is no way back. I am not european. Europe lives in me, but I have no home there. I am new. History made me. My first language was spanglish. And I am | |
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Xagain said: SassyBritches said: i don't agree and the jury has repeatedly said otherwise. You...uh...DON'T THINK SCOTT PETERSON WAS GUILTY EITHER?
Good grief. i didn't say that. i said he should have been acquitted of the charges. big difference. i don't know he committed that heinous crime; its possible he did. possible is the key word. nobody should be sent to prison, let alone death row, because they "might" have done something. i followed that case on court tv and the evidence was completely circumstantial and YOU DO NOT send someone to the death chamber based on circumstantial evidence...especially when a star witness has a freakin' book deal! | |
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vainandy said: I think the mother of the victim is to blame for Michael Jackson walking because she is a money hungry con artist. She has gotten what she deserved (which is nothing) because of her greed. However, if Michael Jackson did molest this boy, she is also to blame for letting her son sleep with Michael and for being such a money hungry gold digger. It would be very easy for Michael to molest this boy and get away with it because who would ever believe a piece of money hungry trash like this boy's mother.
I personally believe he is guilty but could not be proven guilty. When they found porn in the house, that convinced me. The fact that he owns porn, means that he does have a sex drive so who is he using this drive on? He's never seen with men, he's never seen with women either. He's only seen with young boys. You can only look at porn for so long until you actually want to have some sort of sex. I used to wonder if he was asexual but the possession of the porn proves to me that he does have sexual urges just like everyone else. Knowing now, that he has sexual urges, owns porn, and has liquor in the house (all of which are adult things), I don't buy the fact that he is a grown man that "never grew up" so he could very innocently sleep in the same bed with a boy in his underwear. I could have believed it before, but I can't now. I don't blame the jury though because they did their job. He could not be proven guilty. Exactly. Word-perfect. | |
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Xagain said: Tiffypoo2004 said: yeah people want Michael to burn but guess what it aint gonna happen jack. 10 counts NOT GUILTY SO THE JUSTICE PREVAILED!!! so people need to hang it up. Yeah, and some people are so sold into Jackson's self-portrait of a saint-like martyr that they can't imagine him being guilty of such a dispicable crime and are blind to any evidence that he's a messed-up sicko freak. The not-guilty verdict may have been the right one, being that there did exist a "reasonable doubt" based on the fact that accuser's mom wasn't credible and was an unlikable opportunist. Alot like the finger-in-the-chili lady. But just based on what Jackson has said himself, he's a sick-o freak. And if you would allow your children to sleepover with a 47 y.o. man, whether he's Michael Jackson or not, you're just as sick. am not suggesting a 47 year old man sleeping with boys is right at all. and am not saying that mj dont need help all am saying is that i dont think he would hurt a child. and the case has proven that. and ur innocent until proven guilty am i right?? [Edited 6/13/05 20:23pm] | |
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Forgive my ignorance but who are we talking about here?  | |
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SassyBritches said: Xagain said: You...uh...DON'T THINK SCOTT PETERSON WAS GUILTY EITHER?
Good grief. i didn't say that. i said he should have been acquitted of the charges. big difference. i don't know he committed that heinous crime; its possible he did. possible is the key word. nobody should be sent to prison, let alone death row, because they "might" have done something. i followed that case on court tv and the evidence was completely circumstantial and YOU DO NOT send someone to the death chamber based on circumstantial evidence...especially when a star witness has a freakin' book deal! Ok, whatever. If you think Peterson should have been acquitted, then you're either very naive or haven't read much about his case. Just what does a person have to do in order to convince you he's guilty? What kind of evidence should exist in a child molestation case? Does he actually have to be caught in the act? | |
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Tiffypoo2004 said: Xagain said: Yeah, and some people are so sold into Jackson's self-portrait of a saint-like martyr that they can't imagine him being guilty of such a dispicable crime and are blind to any evidence that he's a messed-up sicko freak. The not-guilty verdict may have been the right one, being that there did exist a "reasonable doubt" based on the fact that accuser's mom wasn't credible and was an unlikable opportunist. Alot like the finger-in-the-chili lady. But just based on what Jackson has said himself, he's a sick-o freak. And if you would allow your children to sleepover with a 47 y.o. man, whether he's Michael Jackson or not, you're just as sick. am not suggesting a 47 year old man sleeping with boys are right at all. and not saying that mj dont need help all am saying is that i dont think he would hurt a child. and the case has proven that. and ur innocent until proven guilty am i right?? Pedophiles don't believe they're hurting children. | |
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Fauxie said: Forgive my ignorance but who are we talking about here?
michael jackson acquittal. | |
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Tiffypoo2004 said: Fauxie said: Forgive my ignorance but who are we talking about here?
michael jackson acquittal. the singer? | |
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Xagain said: Tiffypoo2004 said: am not suggesting a 47 year old man sleeping with boys are right at all. and not saying that mj dont need help all am saying is that i dont think he would hurt a child. and the case has proven that. and ur innocent until proven guilty am i right?? Pedophiles don't believe they're hurting children. well okay think what u want alright the facts are the facts and opinions are like assholes every body has them. i have my opinion and u have yours okay.  [Edited 6/13/05 20:28pm] | |
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Fauxie said: Tiffypoo2004 said: michael jackson acquittal. the singer? yes | |
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Tiffypoo2004 said: Fauxie said: the singer? yes omg, what did he do???? | |
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Xagain said: Ok, whatever. If you think Peterson should have been acquitted, then you're either very naive or haven't read much about his case.  yeah, ok. i'm naive or uninformed because i don't share the same opinion as you. now its my turn to say whatever. maybe...just maybe...i have seen and read just as much about the trial as you have but have a (gasp) different, yet just as educated, perspective. nah. couldn't be that.
once again, i ask for people like yourself to come down off your high horse. people don't have to agree with you in order to have valid opinions. | |
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Nancy Grace is a joke like most of the media pundits. She plays to the conservative audience that wants to convict anyone that has been alleged or indicted of doing anything. Her show is a fucking joke and anyone with half a brain can see through that lame ass bull shit she peddles to the uninformed masses. The biased nature of the media makes me sick and sadly it molds public opinion. Regardless of what we feel about MJ, none of us know what went on and we only have 2nd, 3rd, 4th 5th.....70th hand info to go on so you REALLY can't state what happened because we are getting our info thru a lens. I'm tired of this shit already. It amazes me that we don't get this continuously worked up about the daily goings on of our government. This distraction is just what the Doctor ordered. | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: Nancy Grace is a joke like most of the media pundits. She plays to the conservative audience that wants to convict anyone that has been alleged or indicted of doing anything. Her show is a fucking joke and anyone with half a brain can see through that lame ass bull shit she peddles to the uninformed masses. The biased nature of the media makes me sick and sadly it molds public opinion. Regardless of what we feel about MJ, none of us know what went on and we only have 2nd, 3rd, 4th 5th.....70th hand info to go on so you REALLY can't state what happened because we are getting our info thru a lens. I'm tired of this shit already. It amazes me that we don't get this continuously worked up about the daily goings on of our government. This distraction is just what the Doctor ordered.
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Not guilty! Ha ha! The boys couldn't keep there stories straight. Wasn't no goddamn kiddie porn or he would have been charged. Some of y'all grasping at straws.
I think I'm gonna get a tattoo of MJ flippig the bird on my ass, and you can all give it a kiss. Right on the left cheeck  | |
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SassyBritches said: Xagain said: Ok, whatever. If you think Peterson should have been acquitted, then you're either very naive or haven't read much about his case. yeah, ok. i'm naive or uninformed because i don't share the same opinion as you. now its my turn to say whatever. maybe...just maybe...i have seen and read just as much about the trial as you have but have a (gasp) different, yet just as educated, perspective. nah. couldn't be that.
once again, i ask for people like yourself to come down off your high horse. people don't have to agree with you in order to have valid opinions. thank u at least someone understands | |
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Fauxie said: Tiffypoo2004 said: yes omg, what did he do???? no its what mj havent done. he was found not guilty on all 10 counts of molestion. | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: Nancy Grace is a joke like most of the media pundits. She plays to the conservative audience that wants to convict anyone that has been alleged or indicted of doing anything. Her show is a fucking joke and anyone with half a brain can see through that lame ass bull shit she peddles to the uninformed masses. The biased nature of the media makes me sick and sadly it molds public opinion. Regardless of what we feel about MJ, none of us know what went on and we only have 2nd, 3rd, 4th 5th.....70th hand info to go on so you REALLY can't state what happened because we are getting our info thru a lens. I'm tired of this shit already. It amazes me that we don't get this continuously worked up about the daily goings on of our government. This distraction is just what the Doctor ordered.
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sosgemini said: Sdldawn said: How we put these icons on a foot stool, and let them do the things that norms cant.. what a role model.
. [Edited 6/13/05 18:32pm] bingo... and im really disgusted by all these people celebrating as if todays jury decision was a good thing... no, it wasnt a good thing to celebrate..this is a somber moment and im glad at least the jackson family treated it as such and walked away, heads down, back into their caravan and back the fuck home..... i hope mj, his family and his fans really think about what happened here....we have children who are being abused by either mj (not sexually) but mentally by acting like a child and sucking their own childhoods from them, greedy parents and a hungry and disgusting media.... this kid (and the others before him) has lost his own childhood now..he will always be the "freak who slept with mj".....hor ironic that mj sucked out of this boy the very thing he lost himself...mj should feel ashamed.....and his fans should feel ashamed for jumping up and celebrating what should be considered a pathetic day for a family who should be remembered for their talent...not their freakish behaviors...  I agree with you one hundred percent. | |
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