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Now Mickey GO HOME, GET SOME SLEEP, EAT and RELAX FOR AS LONG AS YOU WANT!!!!! 
And I am done talking to you guys about this stupid trial. I am taking some rest from it. I´ve had enough!!!!! "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Now,they need to put the boy's mother on trial,for allowing her son to sleep in a grown man's bed.What kind of parent does that??  | |
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vainandy said: MartyMcFly said
He has some scary fans... did you see those people outside of the court.... and the countless MJ impersonators.... they're just as sad as the person they're portraying....  You got that right..... 
I'd fuck the cute girl in the middle though.... we be doing some "off the wall" shit together....  | |
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Now Mickey GO HOME, GET SOME SLEEP, EAT and RELAX FOR AS LONG AS YOU WANT!!!!!
And I am done talking to you guys about this stupid trial. I am taking some rest from it. I´ve had enough!!!!! Hey Daggy 
WE GONNA PART LIKE ITS 1999!!
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DavidEye said: JohnP said: Yep. But no evidence doesn't mean a thing. Reasonable doubt remains. I agree with you.But if there is any reasonable doubt,you can't convict.The prosecution failed to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.The jury reached the right verdict. I think he's guilty as sin but they just couldn't prove it. If not with this boy, maybe with one of the others. I sure don't think he has never molested any child. Apparently some of the jurors feel the same way too. The jurors played by their guidelines and I would have come to the same verdict they did because I could never send someone to prison if there was a chance I could be wrong. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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dag said: Now Mickey GO HOME, GET SOME SLEEP, EAT and RELAX FOR AS LONG AS YOU WANT!!!!!
Relax?? Not a chance.... he'll be on the prowl in no time.... [Edited 6/14/05 3:56am] | |
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Hey Daggy
WE GONNA PART LIKE ITS 1999!! :yay2 YEEEEES!!!!! "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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LightOfArt said: I think Michael's life style was prosectued in this trial. Very cleary seen, that one juror said he thought he was guilty because he found it hard sleepovers were non-sexual
That's my problem with it too...I expect it's most peoples' problem with it, who have a problem with the outcome. But like I said in another thread to DavidEye, the real problem I have is that I REAAAALLLY want to play my Ultimate Collection guilt-free!  | |
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JohnP said: LightOfArt said: I think Michael's life style was prosectued in this trial. Very cleary seen, that one juror said he thought he was guilty because he found it hard sleepovers were non-sexual
That's my problem with it too...I expect it's most peoples' problem with it, who have a problem with the outcome. But like I said in another thread to DavidEye, the real problem I have is that I REAAAALLLY want to play my Ultimate Collection guilt-free! Put the Bucharest Concert on. That Working Day&Night performance is fonkayyy | |
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DavidEye said: Now,they need to put the boy's mother on trial,for allowing her son to sleep in a grown man's bed.What kind of parent does that?? They need to put Nancy Grace on her ass.  Andy is a four letter word. | |
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I think he's guilty as sin but they just couldn't prove it. If not with this boy, maybe with one of the others. I sure don't think he has never molested any child. Apparently some of the jurors feel the same way too. The jurors played by their guidelines and I would have come to the same verdict they did because I could never send someone to prison if there was a chance I could be wrong.
vainanddeeeee!!!! STOP IT!!!! DON´T BRING ME DOWN!!!!! See I knew i should have stayed off line. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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LightOfArt said: JohnP said: That's my problem with it too...I expect it's most peoples' problem with it, who have a problem with the outcome. But like I said in another thread to DavidEye, the real problem I have is that I REAAAALLLY want to play my Ultimate Collection guilt-free! Put the Bucharest Concert on. That Working Day&Night performance is fonkayyy Or listen to the song on record... it's the same thing... | |
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vainandy said: They need to put Nancy Grace on her ass. hell yeah | |
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dag said: Hey Daggy
WE GONNA PART LIKE ITS 1999!! :yay2 YEEEEES!!!!! Even though I feel he may be guilty, I am happy for you because I know how worried you were.  Andy is a four letter word. | |
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MartyMcFly said: LightOfArt said: Put the Bucharest Concert on. That Working Day&Night performance is fonkayyy Or listen to the song on record... it's the same thing... no it's not | |
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vainandy said: I think he's guilty as sin but they just couldn't prove it. If not with this boy, maybe with one of the others. I sure don't think he has never molested any child. Apparently some of the jurors feel the same way too. The jurors played by their guidelines and I would have come to the same verdict they did because I could never send someone to prison if there was a chance I could be wrong.
You make some very good points 
If you were part of the prosecution,what would you have done differently? (this question is for everyone) | |
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LightOfArt said: MartyMcFly said: Or listen to the song on record... it's the same thing... no it's not How come... is the tape that he used in concert different from the album version...? | |
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MartyMcFly said: LightOfArt said: no it's not How come... is the tape that he used in concert different from the album version...? uhm no...it's freaking live  | |
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DavidEye said: vainandy said: I think he's guilty as sin but they just couldn't prove it. If not with this boy, maybe with one of the others. I sure don't think he has never molested any child. Apparently some of the jurors feel the same way too. The jurors played by their guidelines and I would have come to the same verdict they did because I could never send someone to prison if there was a chance I could be wrong.
You make some very good points
If you were part of the prosecution,what would you have done differently? (this question is for everyone) I honestly don't know what I would have done. Like they say, it's very hard to prove because it's usually one person's word against another person's. I sure would have tried to do everything I could to keep that shady con artist mother from testifying. Even if she was telling the truth, you can't trust a damn con artist. I guess I would have stressed the pornography and alcohol to the end because that's the part that I can't understand. If Michael weren't doing adult things, I could believe that he is still "a man that has never grown up". The fact that he looks at porn means he gets horny so why is he sleeping with someone else's child? Finding the pornography (no matter if it's straight, gay, or kiddie porn), for me, blows the whole "asexual" bit. I guess that's the route I would have taken but it would still be the boy's word against Michael's. I probably would have drugged that sorry ass mother and kept her tied up until the trial was over. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Well, I've always believed he was guilty of these charges and past allegations and i still think he is and i still believe he committed the crime.
The mother who pressed the charges though is another looney, so it was looney vs looney. Honestly, the mother was a less than credible witness and her past history with trying to make money off false allegations ruined this trial. I honestly believe MJ got away with the crime again, but child molesters don't stop molesting children when they're not behind bars, so give it some time and i'm sure we'll see him facing the jury again | |
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Yeah,the boy's mother ruined the prosecution's case.She has a long history of filing bogus lawsuits,lying under oath,and persuading her children to do the same.The jury absolutely didn't like her,and they didn't believe a word she said.Plus,she had tried in the past to get money from other celebrities.Perhaps Thomas Sneddon should have investigated the mother a little bit before bringing this case against Michael? | |
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vainandy said: I honestly don't know what I would have done. Like they say, it's very hard to prove because it's usually one person's word against another person's. I sure would have tried to do everything I could to keep that shady con artist mother from testifying. Even if she was telling the truth, you can't trust a damn con artist. I guess I would have stressed the pornography and alcohol to the end because that's the part that I can't understand. If Michael weren't doing adult things, I could believe that he is still "a man that has never grown up". The fact that he looks at porn means he gets horny so why is he sleeping with someone else's child? Finding the pornography (no matter if it's straight, gay, or kiddie porn), for me, blows the whole "asexual" bit. I guess that's the route I would have taken but it would still be the boy's word against Michael's. I probably would have drugged that sorry ass mother and kept her tied up until the trial was over. Are you suggesting think 13 14 year olds don't look at porn?
No matter how I say I wont give a shit what people think, I still do when I see them talk bullshit. And we still share the same feelings towards todays mid tempo shit. Right I'm off. ciao | |
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DavidEye said: Yeah,the boy's mother ruined the prosecution's case.She has a long history of filing bogus lawsuits,lying under oath,and persuading her children to do the same.The jury absolutely didn't like her,and they didn't believe a word she said.Plus,she had tried in the past to get money from other celebrities.Perhaps Thomas Sneddon should have investigated the mother a little bit before bringing this case against Michael?
It was not just the Arvizos, like I said ALL the prosection witnesses were either sued by or sued MJ in the past and got thousands of $s from tabloids. Allright I left. siriously. | |
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jayaredee said: Well, I've always believed he was guilty of these charges and past allegations and i still think he is and i still believe he committed the crime.
The mother who pressed the charges though is another looney, so it was looney vs looney. Honestly, the mother was a less than credible witness and her past history with trying to make money off false allegations ruined this trial. I honestly believe MJ got away with the crime again, but child molesters don't stop molesting children when they're not behind bars, so give it some time and i'm sure we'll see him facing the jury again I agree with you that MJ is a paedophile, and he will definitely do it again at some point. MJ was, however, rightly acquitted in this instance because the case against him was based on flimsy evidence and his accusers were proven extortionists and liars. Who would you believe? The jury made the right call. They may have thought that there was a possibility that Arvizo was telling the truth - and they may even believe that Jackson is indeed a paedophile - but the likelihood that he and his mother were lying was too high to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I would have acquitted him on those grounds. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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LightOfArt said: DavidEye said: Yeah,the boy's mother ruined the prosecution's case.She has a long history of filing bogus lawsuits,lying under oath,and persuading her children to do the same.The jury absolutely didn't like her,and they didn't believe a word she said.Plus,she had tried in the past to get money from other celebrities.Perhaps Thomas Sneddon should have investigated the mother a little bit before bringing this case against Michael?
It was not just the Arvizos, like I said ALL the prosection witnesses were either sued by or sued MJ in the past and got thousands of $s from tabloids. So,did the prosecution have any credible witnesses? I didn't follow the case day-to-day,so that's why I'm wondering. | |
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LightOfArt said:
Are you suggesting think 13 14 year olds don't look at porn? I think Michael has graduated from a being a child to being a teenager. Michael has finally reached puberty. Hopefully, after this, he will reach adulthood.
Of course teenage boys love to look at porn. Lord knows I did. But when I got horny from it and wanted to have sex, it was with someone my own age. Michael is an adult and is never seen with anything but young boys. Yes, there's a chance that there may be a grown man or woman he's fooling with, but if there is, this person should have stepped forward and attempted to get him out of this mess. I think they should have dug more into his sex life and sexual preferences. True enough, it's no one's business but it sure could have helped him out. Also, if he couldn't tell what his preference was and couldn't come up with any grown sexual partners, this could have help the prosecutors. And we still share the same feelings towards todays mid tempo shit.
Of course, nothing changes that and even if Michael was proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, it still wouldn't affect how I love his music. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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DavidEye said: LightOfArt said: It was not just the Arvizos, like I said ALL the prosection witnesses were either sued by or sued MJ in the past and got thousands of $s from tabloids. So,did the prosecution have any credible witnesses? I didn't follow the case day-to-day,so that's why I'm wondering. Yeah. The investigator that talked about Michael's phone records | |
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vainandy said: LightOfArt said:
Are you suggesting think 13 14 year olds don't look at porn? I think Michael has graduated from a being a child to being a teenager. Michael has finally reached puberty. Hopefully, after this, he will reach adulthood. Yeah he may marry Priscilla | |
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I can't honestly believe that if MJ released a new album, that it would sell well. All this negative press fucked over his chances of a hit record IMHO.
Whether they said he's not guilty, it can't take away this controversy and all the negative press. | |
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i think he should leave the sleepovers be after this.
mj,i know you like to get your jammies on and giggle like you were skipper with the other kids.... but you are old enough to be one of my parents lol stop it ! | |
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