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PrintableNeoSoulScribe said: vainandy said: How could he be a down low man if he came out? The reason they are called "down low" men is because they keep what they do on the down low. If he came out, he would be in the open with it. That would either make him a gay man or a bisexual man. Down low men keep what they do a secret. Yes, IF he comes out he's no longer Down Low but he was a PRACTICING DOWN LOW BROTHA BEFORE he came out. That's my point. If he is a switch hitter and he kept it on the slide...he's down low. If he comes out and proclaims he's gay, he's no longer down low. That's true.  Andy is a four letter word. | |
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OnionJuice said: I didnt insult you.
Because calling me "ignorant" is not an insult. Right. OnionJuice said: Im saying, how are you gonna give me that bullshit solution when thats what Ive been saying since the very first post?
I'm talking about the many comments you made after your first post. You should have taken your own advice. OnionJuice said: And what the fuck are you talkin? Im not complaining about the path Maxwell might possibly take musically (this just rumor, remember?) But did I ever say anywhere on this thread that Maxwell shouldnt go that route musically? NO. I just said that although I would always love Maxwell as an artist, I would not wanna listen to a song of him singin about another man. Thats it. Im just dictating what I dont want my own eyes/ears to see/hear - I dont know why you would have a problem wit that. I didnt say I would hold anything against him and I didn't would never listen to his music ever ever again. So thats why I said you sound so fuckin ignorant. Now, do yourself a favor and dont say shit else.
If merely hearing about homosexual sex makes you want to vomit and you would call a homosexual love song "disgusting" (among other things), then, yes, I think you have a few phobia issues to work through. And again, you are stooping to insults. Big shocker there. OnionJuice said: Most you gay posters got it twisted and had a heart attack from the beginning and wrongingfully accused me of being homophobic (which is what I consider "heterophobic" on y'all). When you accuse someone of being something like that when they aint, thats an insult.
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vainandy said: That's true.  | |
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vainandy said: How could he be a down low man if he came out? The reason they are called "down low" men is because they keep what they do on the down low. If he came out, he would be in the open with it. That would either make him a gay man or a bisexual man. Down low men keep what they do a secret.  Exactly. | |
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NeoSoulScribe said: vainandy said: How could he be a down low man if he came out? The reason they are called "down low" men is because they keep what they do on the down low. If he came out, he would be in the open with it. That would either make him a gay man or a bisexual man. Down low men keep what they do a secret. Yes, IF he comes out he's no longer Down Low but he was a PRACTICING DOWN LOW BROTHA BEFORE he came out. That's my point. If he is a switch hitter and he kept it on the slide...he's down low. If he comes out and proclaims he's gay, he's no longer down low. | |
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TonyVanDam said: ABeautifulOne said: That was so lame... ...except that I was dead serious!  Either way it goes you're still lame | |
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GottaLetitgo said: jjam said: The whole thing about Luther isn't exactly a secret.
I feel sorry for any singer "hiding" in the closet because their record company thinks it would be prudent to do so. It's time the American music industry woke up and stopped doing this shit. Things are different in the UK, thank God. Well, for the most part, excepting a singer by the initials of CD...not that I'll fill you in... Charlie Daniels? No it's Craig David which is so damn obvious | |
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Hotlegs said: ABeautifulOne said: Of course I believe the man if it came from his lips and GM is an exception people speculated long before he came out with his gayness  Those who are oblivious to whats the real deal like yourself are hilarious. While others do actully have a real radar and know the deal. Keep fooling yourself and that's all I have to say.I don't have to fool myself because I am gay but it just never comes to me that Luther is gay so it is what it is.... | |
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ABeautifulOne said: Hotlegs said: Those who are oblivious to whats the real deal like yourself are hilarious. While others do actully have a real radar and know the deal. Keep fooling yourself and that's all I have to say.I don't have to fool myself because I am gay but it just never comes to me that Luther is gay so it is what it is.... WHATEVER | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Maxwell is about as gay as Prince. He & his old lady have been seen many places together. This is just another version of the Maxwell is gay rumor. Let it die.
btw, Maxwell used to date Ananda Lewis, too. (well, who DIDN'T) I have never thought Maxwell was gay, I just don't think he fits into a typical role and that causes people to question his sexuality. Hell, I've had people make assumptions about my sexuality based on the most ignorant criteria known to humanity and I find it laughable. Now if he comes out and states that he is gay I will continue to support him because I'm not ignorant nor homophobic like many in the record buying public. I will say this though, the man has style! [Edited 6/12/05 14:10pm] | |
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vainandy said: OnionJuice said:
And you really think I dont know that?  LOL! You aint schoolin nobody. But just so you know, you dont know what the fuck is going universally cause some of that shit you're that doesnt happen in real life acutally DOES happen in real life - you're just buying to the stereotypes. I am well aware that there are lesbians out there that sleep with men. There are some in my area. They are very rare though. Most of them have more pride than that. The fact that the porno industry is constantly showing two women together, is the reason these trade motherfuckers come to the gay clubs in the first place. They are constantly in the lesbians' faces bothering them all night long. When they are not successful, then they go after the drag queens (but they don't let anyone see them go after them). As a last resort, then they will go after a gay man that doesn't dress in drag. A mouth is a mouth and an orgasm feels the same no matter who's giving to them. As far as stereotypes go, I'm very aware of them also. Gay people are just like straight people. There are many different types varying from extremely masculine to extremely feminine. The media just doesn't let you see the gay people that appear to be close to their version of "normal" because they want to keep homosexuals as a freak show to give them a good laugh. Now you see how gay people have felt for years....outnumbered and disrespected. So say whatever you will after this, say whatever helps you sleep at night, but the end of the day, you're WRONG about me.
The fact that you are defending yourself about being accused of being homophobic means you're an alright person. A real homophobic person wouldn't give a damn if people thought they were homophobic....and believe me, I've met plenty of people like that. If I thought you were a 100% homophobic gay basher, I wouldn't waste my time responding to you. I would have just said what I had to say and wouldn't have given a damn if you liked it or not.  | |
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I'm on the fence here... well not really 
First of all, this thread makes me wanna smack people around... Second, IF Maxwell is gay I think it'd be fucking brave of him to go in this direction musically & I applaud that. I'd be a little bummed b/c he's hot & I'd like to think I'd have a chance @ slobbin' on that knob myself  Whatever man, just drop a good album    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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ABeautifulOne said: GottaLetitgo said: [/b]
Charlie Daniels? No it's Craig David which is so damn obvious Um, well I guess I can stop listening to Mr. Daniels records to search for clues. I really thought I guessed right on that one. Is Craig David still big in the UK? He tanked big-time here in the states. All good things they say never last... | |
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CalhounSq said: I'm on the fence here... well not really
First of all, this thread makes me wanna smack people around... Second, IF Maxwell is gay I think it'd be fucking brave of him to go in this direction musically & I applaud that. I'd be a little bummed b/c he's hot & I'd like to think I'd have a chance @ slobbin' on that knob myself Whatever man, just drop a good album  thats all the fuck i'm concerned with. | |
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Hotlegs said: ABeautifulOne said: I don't have to fool myself because I am gay but it just never comes to me that Luther is gay so it is what it is.... WHATEVERok....where the hell does he live???? and has he ever seen Miss Lu-Lu in interviews...my girl is on FIYAH!!!! cuttin eyes and shit,don't get me wrong I love me some Lu-Lu he is one of the premiere male Divas...but can we call a spade a spade please. I am not African. Africa is in me, but I cannot return.
I am not taína. Taíno is in me, but there is no way back. I am not european. Europe lives in me, but I have no home there. I am new. History made me. My first language was spanglish. And I am | |
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boriquateddy said: Hotlegs said: WHATEVERok....where the hell does he live???? and has he ever seen Miss Lu-Lu in interviews...my girl is on FIYAH!!!! cuttin eyes and shit,don't get me wrong I love me some Lu-Lu he is one of the premiere male Divas...but can we call a spade a spade please.  | |
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CalhounSq said: I'd be a little bummed b/c he's hot & I'd like to think I'd have a chance @ slobbin' on that knob myself
 
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boriquateddy said: Hotlegs said: WHATEVERok....where the hell does he live???? and has he ever seen Miss Lu-Lu in interviews...my girl is on FIYAH!!!! cuttin eyes and shit,don't get me wrong I love me some Lu-Lu he is one of the premiere male Divas...but can we call a spade a spade please.  | |
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Well whateva he is or trying to figure out, he needs to hurry up, and release a new album this year!!! "Funkyslsistah… you ain't funky at all, you just a little ol' prude"!
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MsLegs said: murph said: Much respect...you made some great points...But according to the allhiphop post, the issue wasn't that Maxwell was coming out (To me people should be able to do what they want to do in their private lives, so that's the end of that)...It was the point that Maxwell recorded a record that explicitly detailed sexual acts with another man...I think that's totally different...Elton John and George Michael came out of the closet...but they did not write explicit songs about their sexual relationships...To all of the org's gay members, if you think that its homophobic for a straight man not to want to hear a record in which a man is openly professing his love to another man, you are not being reasonable. Just as there are some people that find straight explicit content a little hard to deal with, the same applies for gay themes. Once again, it's one thing to hate, hurt, discriminate on a person for there sexual preference. But a man who doesn't want to see or hear another cat gett with GMing it on with a man is not neccessarily homophobic...I know it's a brave new world, but you can't expect people to accept everything... [Edited 6/10/05 20:46pm]  Elton and George may not have written explicit homoerotic songs but they made homoerotic videos which makes the meaning of the song implied. So get your facts straight.
As with most of Max hetero female fans, yeah I am shocked but nothing is surprising these days in 2K. Get My facts straight????? What the hell are you talking about...When Elton and GM were in their commercial prime they were not making homoerotic videos or songs...Most of Elton's videos were very campy...In fact with GM, the homoerotic videos came after he was busted in the bathroom and forced to come out...In the videos since, he was willing to make fun of the situation...But again, you didin't hear GM and Elton making explicit songs (if this is the case with Maxwell, which has not been proven one way or the other) about their personal lifestyle...I think you need to look back at my post homie...Much respect... | |
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murph said: MsLegs said: Elton and George may not have written explicit homoerotic songs but they made homoerotic videos which makes the meaning of the song implied. So get your facts straight.
As with most of Max hetero female fans, yeah I am shocked but nothing is surprising these days in 2K. Murph, you need to get you damn facts straight. It's humourous to see how little you know about music trivia. Of course you are probably to young to remember the video, I'm Still Standing by Elton which featured gay men in S&M outfits. And in the Faith by George Micheal did have some homosexual overtunes with him it leather chaps with the camera directed on his ass. Get a  and smile and shut the fuck up until you get a clue about the flava. Choa! | |
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I remember in the mid-80s,Ray Parker Jr. announced that he had written a bunch of songs about bisexual relationships.He stressed that the songs are not about him.He apparently just wanted to go in another direction,lyrically,and start covering more provocative topics in his songs.I guess he chickened out because the songs were never released
If thes rumors about Maxwell are true,it will be a first.I don't think there are any openly gay or bisexaul male R&B singers right now.If Maxwell were a pop or rock singer,it wouldn't even matter.He would still be accepted.But I don't know how the R&B audience would respond. | |
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VoicesCarry said: OnionJuice said: I didnt insult you.
Because calling me "ignorant" is not an insult. Right. If merely hearing about homosexual sex makes you want to vomit and you would call a homosexual love song "disgusting" (among other things), then, yes, I think you have a few phobia issues to work through. And again, you are stooping to insults. Big shocker there. OnionJuice said: Most you gay posters got it twisted and had a heart attack from the beginning and wrongingfully accused me of being homophobic (which is what I consider "heterophobic" on y'all). When you accuse someone of being something like that when they aint, thats an insult.
I'm straight, and I agree with 'em Listen, I want you to read this carefully with an open mind. I didnt say you were ignorant, I said you sounded ignorant - cause you said I was complaining about the path that Maxwell as decided to take when I wasn't. This what you said before : There's your option if you don't want to appear homophobic: listen or don't, but don't complain about the path that Maxwell has decided to take because you find his overt sexuality "disgusting".
But thats where you're completely throwed off at cause I aint even complaining about the Maxwell's new alledged musically route, in fact, I would respect that man even more than I have before for being that damn bold. But the problem started when you and everybody else had problem with what I said didnt want my eyes to see, ears to hear, or mind to visualize. And if you were REALLY reading this thread at all and if you're not illiterate, you would've known that after my first post, I was fighting off the accusations of those calling me homophobic; and you wouldnt have given me a "solution" that I ALREADY had from the start. Thats why what you said was ignorant. So I didnt insult you, but I was criticizing what you said cause it was completely off. So just admit it, you were wrong and out of place. And truthfully, two guys doin it doesnt really make me wanna vomit, I aint got no weak stomach like that. But for the last time, let make this clear for you: I find the thought/sight/visual of two guys gettin intimate sickening. I have nothing against those who may find it lovely. But if it makes you and everybody else happy and proud, then if I knew that one small comment in my first post would ruffle alot of y'all's feathers to the point y'all would assume this and that about me, then I never wouldve said it. And like Jigga said, if you cant respect that, your whole perspective is wack. [Edited 6/13/05 13:36pm] Onion Juice appears courtesy of Streethop.com | |
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OJ, (snickers at the initials) You don't have to apologize for your feelings on homosexuality. Everybody is entitled to their opinions. I myself decided a long time ago to just completely butt out of other peoples' sex/love lives. Who somebody screws/loves, etc. is none of my business if it doesn't involve me and I choose not to care about what anybody else is doing. Trust me, you should try it. Its better that way. No one can make you accept anything you don't want to accept and you can't change anyone's ways/lifestyles/whateva, so its best to just leave well enough alone. There is a segment of the homosexual community that are very Nazi-like about people accepting their lifestyle. (I AM NOT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY REFFERING TO ANYONE WHO HAS POSTED; I'M JUST COMMENTING) Its best to just ignore them. I caught shit before on here just for saying that I didn't care about the homosexual lifestyle and immediately got attacked as if I was leading a right-winged Christian march against them. Nothing has changed. I still don't care. People get heated about the topic and long posts like this one get posted and the end results are still the same.
As for Maxwell; internet rumors are a bitch. I don't know if he's bi, but I know he's not gay. Like I said, calling Maxwell gay is like calling Prince gay. There's too much evidence against it to hold water. If Prince fans knew as much about Maxwell as they did about Prince, this thread would have died a long time ago. If dude does by some miracle "out" himself, nothing would change for me. He's a helluva singer and I'll still buy his music. | |
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GottaLetitgo said: ABeautifulOne said: No it's Craig David which is so damn obvious Um, well I guess I can stop listening to Mr. Daniels records to search for clues. I really thought I guessed right on that one. Is Craig David still big in the UK? He tanked big-time here in the states. I think he is still big in the UK since he has a new album dropping in August it flopped due to horrble ass single choices here in the US..I'm still going to buy the album though | |
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BlaqueKnight said: No one can make you accept anything you don't want to accept and you can't change anyone's ways/lifestyles/whateva, so its best to just leave well enough alone. There is a segment of the homosexual community that are very Nazi-like about people accepting their lifestyle. (I AM NOT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY REFFERING TO ANYONE WHO HAS POSTED; I'M JUST COMMENTING) Its best to just ignore them. I caught shit before on here just for saying that I didn't care about the homosexual lifestyle and immediately got attacked as if I was leading a right-winged Christian march against them. Nothing has changed. I still don't care. People get heated about the topic and long posts like this one get posted and the end results are still the same.
You are going to get a lot of heat for that comment. All I'm going to say is that that sort of thing can be said for any under-represented/maligned community. You need people at both extremes and middle of the road to get any movement underway. Unfortunately, the media and public would rather focus on the radicals. The same sentiment was also expressed about the feminist and civil rights movements. I'm not comparing the movements, just the perception of them. | |
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MendesCity said: OnionJuice said: What do y'all think about that there? I wont discriminate and Im always gonna respect Maxwell as an artist but I dont wanna hear no sexually explict love songs from a man singing about another man. Sorry, that's straight-up homophobia. Us gay folks listen to your straight freaky tales all the time and we don't complain...open up your mind and hear the music and the universal expression behind it. I seriously doubt he's getting that nasty...he's Maxwell for god's sake (though not that I'd mind if he did). But if he's truly coming out on this record, I'll have way more respect for him than I ever did before. [Edited 6/10/05 14:27pm] HELL YEAH!!!!! DOUBLE FUCKING CO-SIGN. 
Miguel MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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OnionJuice said: MendesCity said: Sorry, that's straight-up homophobia. Us gay folks listen to your straight freaky tales all the time and we don't complain...open up your mind and hear the music and the universal expression behind it. I seriously doubt he's getting that nasty...he's Maxwell for god's sake (though not that I'd mind if he did). But if he's truly coming out on this record, I'll have way more respect for him than I ever did before. [Edited 6/10/05 14:27pm] How is that homophobia??? You think just because I dont wanna hear about or see a man kissing a another man Im homophobic??? Especially if its sexually explict. I dont wanna hear about a man suckin another guy's penis. And you think Im homophobic cause of that. I accept homosexuals in society, I dont mind working with them at work, I dont havin gay friends, I dont gay bash, but I dont wanna hear about two getting busy with each other either. Thats disgusting to me. I understand that theres alot of gay people on this board, but that dont stop me from posting here. I think gay people and gay supporters throw tha word "homophobic" around too much even to those it doesnt even apply too. I think you're heteorphobic for saying that. [Edited 6/10/05 14:55pm] Thanks for not minding working with us and thanks for not bashing us..... Do two women together turn you on? M MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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OnionJuice said: whodknee said: In OnionJuice's defense, as a straight man I feel the same way I think he does. A straight man is not going to want to hear or see sexually explicit homosexual male activity. I have no problem with the male body, but have no interest in seeing or hearing about two men going at it. I guess I can only speak for myself when I say it's a turnoff. Nonetheless, Maxwell can do what he wants to do and I wish him well. It'll just be one more of his albums that I won't have.
However this plays out Urban Hang Suite will always be one of my favorites. thesexofit said: Are their any real "gay" themes in songs though? We straight guys are lucky. Iam a big tevin fan, if he said "come over here big boy" on "tell me what u want me to do", I'd be kinda put off.
Thats exact shit what I was sayin but they perfer to think Im homophobic. That what I said in the beginning in my very first post. I just simply said that I didnt wanna hear no sexually explict songs a man making love to another man. I didnt say I wouldnt listen to his earlier music anymore. I didnt make any anti-gay slurs or nothing. I find this kind of sad. I grew up with straight boys that love THE SMITHS and they were HARDCORE fans. The lyrics were pretty much always written about a man for a man. M MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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You don't have to understand me, my life(not lifestyle) or anything like that. You don't have to understand that my being gay has some to do with sex but it's not alllll about sex. Yeah I like to fuck but I also want a partner that I can love. You don't have to understand that when people make comments, the slightest comments, regarding my GBLT brothers and sisters it hurts me. You can't understand what I, as a gay man, have to deal with on an everyday basis. I'm not super fem so I hear it all and fucken pisses me off. I call them on it though. That's all I can do for now.
sorry about the rant. but I'm pissed. I guess we need some kind of segregation, Straight version on the A side, and gay version on the B side. Every artist should do this. M MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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