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Reply #60 posted 06/10/05 7:07pm

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Xavier23 said:

what's wrong with a gay artist singing about their experiences?? i like Maxwell and think he's a great singer. so what if he's gay??


Absolutely nothing. I just dont wanna listen to it.

Every artist has every right to sing about their gay experiences/pleasures if they want. And yes, Maxwell is an extraordinary artist and I respect him for desire to come out the closet on this next album if he is...but I dont wanna hear it....just like I wouldnt wanna hear some boring-ass country song. Does that make me country-phobic???
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Reply #61 posted 06/10/05 7:07pm

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IF this is true and Maxy decides to "come out" it will hurt his sales because his main audience is women...BLACK women. And Black women are ALWAYS worried about that DOWN LOW BROTHA. Maxy would basically be doing career suicide.
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Reply #62 posted 06/10/05 7:09pm

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boriquateddy said:

OnionJuice said:



Listen the lyrics again:

"Pussy dont fail me now
I gotta turn this nigga out
So he dont want nobody else"

"He", not "bitches", "he".

"He" as in a male, a dude, a guy, a man, or a boy. How is that a declaration of lesbianism??? I dont get you at all on that.

We all know she's bi (Mel B even confirmed it once), but she was obviously talkin about a guy in that song.
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lets back track....I said those lyrics are hardly a declaration of her lesbianism...not that they are...I know what the lyrics of the song are,thats what i was trying to point out...the same exact thing that u are.


Oh my bad, I was reading through these responses fast. wink
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Reply #63 posted 06/10/05 7:15pm

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whodknee said:

In OnionJuice's defense, as a straight man I feel the same way I think he does. A straight man is not going to want to hear or see sexually explicit homosexual male activity. I have no problem with the male body, but have no interest in seeing or hearing about two men going at it. I guess I can only speak for myself when I say it's a turnoff. Nonetheless, Maxwell can do what he wants to do and I wish him well. It'll just be one more of his albums that I won't have. lol
However this plays out Urban Hang Suite will always be one of my favorites.



thesexofit said:

Are their any real "gay" themes in songs though? We straight guys are lucky. Iam a big tevin fan, if he said "come over here big boy" on "tell me what u want me to do", I'd be kinda put off.


Thats exact shit what I was sayin but they perfer to think Im homophobic. That what I said in the beginning in my very first post. I just simply said that I didnt wanna hear no sexually explict songs a man making love to another man. I didnt say I wouldnt listen to his earlier music anymore. I didnt make any anti-gay slurs or nothing.

I co-sign on all of that! If the rumors are true about Maxwell then he's still a great singer and I'll continue to enjoy his previous jams but I don't think that I'll be able to relate to his vibe any longer if the majority of his lyrics are addressed to a man. That by no means implies I'll be against him, it means that he would no longer represent like he used to(despite the long lasting gay rumors).

Before part of my diggin' his style was that he was the sensitive brother melting women's hearts and soiling their panties while getting air play in a world of generic thugs that the media decided were spokesmen for all black men. Maxwell was the voice of fellas like myself and had the respect of fans and non fans alike.If he's gone another route then I guess well still have Musiq and a few others to help break the doors down.
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Reply #64 posted 06/10/05 7:30pm

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OnionJuice said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:


this is no "front". i was like this wayyyyy before i was a moderator.


I aint talkin about the way you act, I talkin about that "Sr. Moderator" you're fronting under your name. Another MOD over you told me that you werent a MOD anymore.

so? i can't get rid of the sign myself. shrug
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Reply #65 posted 06/10/05 7:50pm

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sitruk7 said:

OnionJuice said:



Thats exact shit what I was sayin but they perfer to think Im homophobic. That what I said in the beginning in my very first post. I just simply said that I didnt wanna hear no sexually explict songs a man making love to another man. I didnt say I wouldnt listen to his earlier music anymore. I didnt make any anti-gay slurs or nothing.

I co-sign on all of that! If the rumors are true about Maxwell then he's still a great singer and I'll continue to enjoy his previous jams but I don't think that I'll be able to relate to his vibe any longer if the majority of his lyrics are addressed to a man. That by no means implies I'll be against him, it means that he would no longer represent like he used to(despite the long lasting gay rumors).

Before part of my diggin' his style was that he was the sensitive brother melting women's hearts and soiling their panties while getting air play in a world of generic thugs that the media decided were spokesmen for all black men. Maxwell was the voice of fellas like myself and had the respect of fans and non fans alike.If he's gone another route then I guess well still have Musiq and a few others to help break the doors down.

"to help break the doors down"
Think about that. confused
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Reply #66 posted 06/10/05 8:08pm

MsLegs

Bfunkthe1 said:

sitruk7 said:


I co-sign on all of that! If the rumors are true about Maxwell then he's still a great singer and I'll continue to enjoy his previous jams but I don't think that I'll be able to relate to his vibe any longer if the majority of his lyrics are addressed to a man. That by no means implies I'll be against him, it means that he would no longer represent like he used to(despite the long lasting gay rumors).

Before part of my diggin' his style was that he was the sensitive brother melting women's hearts and soiling their panties while getting air play in a world of generic thugs that the media decided were spokesmen for all black men. Maxwell was the voice of fellas like myself and had the respect of fans and non fans alike.If he's gone another route then I guess well still have Musiq and a few others to help break the doors down.

"to help break the doors down"
Think about that. confused

hmmm That is something to think about. If Max goes George Micheal's route, Musiq would be the only Neo cat left for you fellas to use while getting the drawers from us ladies. Ah wow, it is amazing how things can change w/in a blink of an eye.
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Reply #67 posted 06/10/05 8:40pm

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Xavier23 said:

what's wrong with a gay artist singing about their experiences?? i like Maxwell and think he's a great singer. so what if he's gay??

nod My point exactly. I'm glad that he is follwing the lead of Elton and George Micheal. More singers should do the same instead of faking the funk and not being true to themselves in order to decieve the public. Hell, we already know the truth so they be real.
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Much respect...you made some great points...But according to the allhiphop post, the issue wasn't that Maxwell was coming out (To me people should be able to do what they want to do in their private lives, so that's the end of that)...It was the point that Maxwell recorded a record that explicitly detailed sexual acts with another man...I think that's totally different...Elton John and George Michael came out of the closet...but they did not write explicit songs about their sexual relationships...To all of the org's gay members, if you think that its homophobic for a straight man not to want to hear a record in which a man is openly professing his love to another man, you are not being reasonable. Just as there are some people that find straight explicit content a little hard to deal with, the same applies for gay themes. Once again, it's one thing to hate, hurt, discriminate on a person for there sexual preference. But a man who doesn't want to see or hear another cat getting it on with a man is not neccessarily homophobic...I know it's a brave new world, but you can't expect people to accept everything...
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Reply #68 posted 06/10/05 8:46pm

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I'm not too quick to believe these rumors, but it wouldn't shock me if Max were gay. My wife says the same thing, and she loves that man.

As for his wanting to release a candidly homoeerotic album, I'd LOVE it. I'd buy multiple copies and support him all the way!

Now, a sexually vulgar album is another matter. That's old, tired and tacky whether he's talking about doing a guy or girl. shrug
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μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
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τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #69 posted 06/10/05 8:48pm

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murph said:

MsLegs said:


nod My point exactly. I'm glad that he is follwing the lead of Elton and George Micheal. More singers should do the same instead of faking the funk and not being true to themselves in order to decieve the public. Hell, we already know the truth so they be real.
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Much respect...you made some great points...But according to the allhiphop post, the issue wasn't that Maxwell was coming out (To me people should be able to do what they want to do in their private lives, so that's the end of that)...It was the point that Maxwell recorded a record that explicitly detailed sexual acts with another man...I think that's totally different...Elton John and George Michael came out of the closet...but they did not write explicit songs about their sexual relationships...To all of the org's gay members, if you think that its homophobic for a straight man not to want to hear a record in which a man is openly professing his love to another man, you are not being reasonable. Just as there are some people that find straight explicit content a little hard to deal with, the same applies for gay themes. Once again, it's one thing to hate, hurt, discriminate on a person for there sexual preference. But a man who doesn't want to see or hear another cat getting it on with a man is not neccessarily homophobic...I know it's a brave new world, but you can't expect people to accept everything...
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Reply #70 posted 06/10/05 8:51pm

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

ABeautifulOne said:




You don't have to it's a free country...

this site is not "a free country".


If that's the case, then how much is this country (Prince.org) worth? wink
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Reply #71 posted 06/10/05 9:08pm

MsLegs

murph said:

MsLegs said:


nod My point exactly. I'm glad that he is follwing the lead of Elton and George Micheal. More singers should do the same instead of faking the funk and not being true to themselves in order to decieve the public. Hell, we already know the truth so they be real.
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Much respect...you made some great points...But according to the allhiphop post, the issue wasn't that Maxwell was coming out (To me people should be able to do what they want to do in their private lives, so that's the end of that)...It was the point that Maxwell recorded a record that explicitly detailed sexual acts with another man...I think that's totally different...Elton John and George Michael came out of the closet...but they did not write explicit songs about their sexual relationships...To all of the org's gay members, if you think that its homophobic for a straight man not to want to hear a record in which a man is openly professing his love to another man, you are not being reasonable. Just as there are some people that find straight explicit content a little hard to deal with, the same applies for gay themes. Once again, it's one thing to hate, hurt, discriminate on a person for there sexual preference. But a man who doesn't want to see or hear another cat getting it on with a man is not neccessarily homophobic...I know it's a brave new world, but you can't expect people to accept everything...
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whofarted Elton and George may not have written explicit homoerotic songs but they made homoerotic videos which makes the meaning of the song implied. So get your facts straight.

As with most of Max hetero female fans, yeah I am shocked but nothing is surprising these days in 2K.
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Reply #72 posted 06/10/05 9:46pm

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disbelief This thread is fucked up.
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Reply #73 posted 06/11/05 2:09am

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Always thought Maxwell sucked ass anyway. Looks like dude's hungry 4 publicity.
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Reply #74 posted 06/11/05 2:44am

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Always thought Maxwell sucked ass anyway. Looks like dude's hungry 4 publicity.

hmmm You never know. That last album didn't sell as well I heard.
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Reply #75 posted 06/11/05 5:22am

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OnionJuice said:


I accept homosexuals in society, I dont mind working with them at work, I dont havin gay friends, I dont gay bash, but I dont wanna hear about two getting busy with each other either. Thats disgusting to me.


That's the same shit that people used to say about blacks and interracial couples....."I don't have a problem with it, just keep it in a closet and out of my face". Meanwhile, these same people were flaunting their relationship with someone of the same race in public.
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Reply #76 posted 06/11/05 5:42am

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OnionJuice said:

I aint homophic - besides I love seeing two lesbians go at it - their homosexuals too, right?


Apparently, you, as well as many other men, have no respect for women either and don't see them as equal to a man. Y'all have a problem with two men getting it on because you find it "sick" and "disgusting", but y'all are ready to cum all over yourselves watching two women. You must think it's OK for women to engage in such "sick" and "disgusting" acts because, hey, they are just a second class woman and are not equal to men. I guess they are just put on this earth to entertain a man.

That bullshit in the movies about two women is strictly fantasy. Those bitches are getting paid well for that. In real life, lesbians do not let men watch them and they sure as hell don't let a man join in. At least a lesbian with any damn self respect wouldn't. There are a few that do but they are usually crackheads or some confused slutty bitch that don't know what they want to do and have no gay pride. Also, in real life, it's not usually the couple you see in the movies....two beautiful feminine ladies getting it on. It's usually one feminine lady and one masculine lady. These bulldaggers would beat their woman's ass if she even thought about being with a man and she should beat that ass.


But anyaway, I dont like his hearing about or seeing guys gettin intimate not cause Im scared but cause I think its sickening. Why look or listen when I might fuck around vomit?


And what makes you think that gay people are happy every time they turn on the TV and see a damn man and woman kissing? It works both ways. If people are supposed to be truly equal, they need to take those motherfuckers off the TV also. It's about time for true equality and if people don't like it.....fuck 'em. Gay people should have the right to flaunt their shit just like straight people have been doing all along and should tell these people that don't like it to kiss their ass.
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Reply #77 posted 06/11/05 5:44am

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

OnionJuice said:

However you like at it. There's a big different between being afraid and not liking something. I aint got nothing against gay people and I damn sure aint scared of them - I dont try to avoid or run away from gay people nor do I go around disrespecting them. I aint homophic - besides I love seeing two lesbians go at it - their homosexuals too, right?

ahhh, the ol' homosexuals-are-gross-except-for-lesbians retort. truth be told, not all of us lesbians are here to entertain the straight male population...hell, women in general aren't here to entertain you. it ain't cool, man.

as for whatcha think of maxwell, it shouldn't be no problem.


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Reply #78 posted 06/11/05 5:48am

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ABeautifulOne said:

thesexofit said:



Luther is gay? Tevins a better example, everyone knew from "round and round" it was his ass that wanted a pound!



Luther ain't gay it's a old ass rumor...


Oh yes he is. I've seen how Luther is first hand. He doesn't go around admitting it to the press but in every day life, he very much flaunts it and does it with a "fuck you" attitude. I could always take or leave Luther's music, but after I saw that, I gained tremendous respect for him.
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Reply #79 posted 06/11/05 6:03am

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NeoSoulScribe said:

IF this is true and Maxy decides to "come out" it will hurt his sales because his main audience is women...BLACK women. And Black women are ALWAYS worried about that DOWN LOW BROTHA. Maxy would basically be doing career suicide.


If Maxwell admitted that he was gay, he wouldn't be one of those "down low" men, or as we haved called them for years...."trade". These "trade" assholes are usually those hardcore rapper types that are more masculine than a straight man. The reason they are so overly masculine is because they have something to hide.
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Reply #80 posted 06/11/05 6:13am

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murph said:

MsLegs said:


nod My point exactly. I'm glad that he is follwing the lead of Elton and George Micheal. More singers should do the same instead of faking the funk and not being true to themselves in order to decieve the public. Hell, we already know the truth so they be real.
[Edited 6/10/05 18:05pm]



Much respect...you made some great points...But according to the allhiphop post, the issue wasn't that Maxwell was coming out (To me people should be able to do what they want to do in their private lives, so that's the end of that)...It was the point that Maxwell recorded a record that explicitly detailed sexual acts with another man...I think that's totally different...Elton John and George Michael came out of the closet...but they did not write explicit songs about their sexual relationships...To all of the org's gay members, if you think that its homophobic for a straight man not to want to hear a record in which a man is openly professing his love to another man, you are not being reasonable. Just as there are some people that find straight explicit content a little hard to deal with, the same applies for gay themes. Once again, it's one thing to hate, hurt, discriminate on a person for there sexual preference. But a man who doesn't want to see or hear another cat getting it on with a man is not neccessarily homophobic...I know it's a brave new world, but you can't expect people to accept everything...
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I mean, I get everything you're saying on some level. You can't really politicize people's tastes. People like what they like, period. But you just have to put yourself in gay folks' shoes for a second, because we've historically had so little access to commercialized art. There's nowhere for us to really see ourselves in the media other than porn and the rare George Michael/Elton/Etheridge breakthrough. So most of us have just learned to live with straight art as our main diet. And I truly don't mind it...hell, I owned Too Short as a teen, cause he's filthy and funny and the beats were hot. But it's this "if it's talking about anything gay I want nothing to do with it" attitude that really pisses me off. I can't understand why someone who like Maxwell before wouldn't at least still dig the music if he came out. It's a very all-or-nothing viewpoint, and it's the reason gay people often get blocked from music, movies, TV, etc. But I guess at the end of the day, Boriqua Teddy's right: You don't like it, don't buy it. It's not going to affect my enjoyment of it. Oh, wait. It's Maxwell. I don't like his music. wink
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Reply #81 posted 06/11/05 6:21am

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murph said:

MsLegs said:


nod My point exactly. I'm glad that he is follwing the lead of Elton and George Micheal. More singers should do the same instead of faking the funk and not being true to themselves in order to decieve the public. Hell, we already know the truth so they be real.
[Edited 6/10/05 18:05pm]



Much respect...you made some great points...But according to the allhiphop post, the issue wasn't that Maxwell was coming out (To me people should be able to do what they want to do in their private lives, so that's the end of that)...It was the point that Maxwell recorded a record that explicitly detailed sexual acts with another man...I think that's totally different...Elton John and George Michael came out of the closet...but they did not write explicit songs about their sexual relationships...To all of the org's gay members, if you think that its homophobic for a straight man not to want to hear a record in which a man is openly professing his love to another man, you are not being reasonable. Just as there are some people that find straight explicit content a little hard to deal with, the same applies for gay themes. Once again, it's one thing to hate, hurt, discriminate on a person for there sexual preference. But a man who doesn't want to see or hear another cat getting it on with a man is not neccessarily homophobic...I know it's a brave new world, but you can't expect people to accept everything...
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Once upon a time,the masses had a difficult time dealing with interracial relationships.Maybe we'll get closer to utopia once we abandoned all of our phobias.
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Reply #82 posted 06/11/05 6:24am

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Maxwell's last album "Now" debuted at #1 on the Billboard Charts when it came out in 2001. I believe it went platinum. So, it was not a failure of any kind.

He's a great musician, and I'm not sure I believe this story anyway. This is a damn rumor for now.
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Reply #83 posted 06/11/05 6:40am

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I doubt Maxwell is gay I think this is another Wendy Williams type rumour besides have you seen his last girlfriend horny she was hot. can remember her name right off.
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Reply #84 posted 06/11/05 6:41am

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vainandy said:

And what makes you think that gay people are happy every time they turn on the TV and see a damn man and woman kissing? It works both ways. If people are supposed to be truly equal, they need to take those motherfuckers off the TV also. It's about time for true equality and if people don't like it.....fuck 'em. Gay people should have the right to flaunt their shit just like straight people have been doing all along and should tell these people that don't like it to kiss their ass.


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Reply #85 posted 06/11/05 7:48am

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Oh yes he is. I've seen how Luther is first hand. He doesn't go around admitting it to the press but in every day life, he very much flaunts it and does it with a "fuck you" attitude. I could always take or leave Luther's music, but after I saw that, I gained tremendous respect for him.

nod Exactly Vain.
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Reply #86 posted 06/11/05 7:53am

Hotlegs

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If Maxwell admitted that he was gay, he wouldn't be one of those "down low" men, or as we haved called them for years...."trade". These "trade" assholes are usually those hardcore rapper types that are more masculine than a straight man. The reason they are so overly masculine is because they have something to hide.


nod You are correct. A lot of these Trade Assholes or Wannabe Hard Rappper Types are actually the DL brothas who are the ones that are fucking around especially in the underground scence in LA and ATL and other cities as well.

I would have to agree with you about Max if he indeed is coming out of the closet. He definitely wouldn't be one of those closet case/greedy muthafuckas playing a woman on the side and would be true to himself. From what I've heard from people that know Max, his music is a reflection of his soul.
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Reply #87 posted 06/11/05 9:25am

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MsLegs said:

ABeautifulOne said:





It is a rumor Luther said so himself in an old article

Oh and you beleive him rolleyes . George Micheal said he was straight in the beginning and you see what happened later. Open your eyes.



Of course I believe the man if it came from his lips and GM is an exception people speculated long before he came out with his gayness
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Reply #88 posted 06/11/05 9:28am

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TonyVanDam said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:


this site is not "a free country".


If that's the case, then how much is this country (Prince.org) worth? wink



That was so lame...
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Reply #89 posted 06/11/05 9:47am

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ABeautifulOne said:

TonyVanDam said:



If that's the case, then how much is this country (Prince.org) worth? wink



That was so lame...



...except that I was dead serious! cool
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