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dreamfactory313 said: ... All I said is that people were hating him when he was dark skinned, before the drastic change in appearance. Thats a fact from as far as I can see.
Umm, you mean back in the day when he was selling records by the boatload and knockin' everyone dead with his performances (Motown 25, anyone?)? Or maybe you just mean that he always had at least a few critics...well who doesn't, and if you're as famous as he was back in the early 80's (arguably the most famous person in the world), you're inevitably going to draw a little flak along with the accolades and applause. "I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015 |
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CandaceS said: Umm, you mean back in the day when he was selling records by the boatload and knockin' everyone dead with his performances (Motown 25, anyone?)? Or maybe you just mean that he always had at least a few critics...well who doesn't, and if you're as famous as he was back in the early 80's (arguably the most famous person in the world), you're inevitably going to draw a little flak along with the accolades and applause.
Yeah, but a little flak has turned into something equivalent to a witch-hunt. No matter anyone's opinion of Michael I don't think he deserves it. | |
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Anyone who hates on MJ right now is obviously sick in the head and i would have absolutely no wish to converse with them. Im also utterly disgusted that a Prince fan would spout filth from their mouths regarding michael, which i have witnessed on this site. Do these individuals have any morals/standards, do they not understand that no human being deserves to be treated in this way for no justifiable reason (and dont give me the "he's wacko" argument). Fair enough, you dont like the guy, but to launch vicious attacks on him and strip him of his dignity is just plain evil. This is especially disgusting, since MJ has contributed more to this world, its culture, its art, its history than everyone on this board combined. He deserves to be treated with the same respect he treats others.
Did anyone hear the story about him stopping his car the other day, and he bought 2 soda's from girls at the side of the road for $0.25 and he then gave them $100 each. A man who does that whilst being attacked by the whole world is to be commended imo. How any Prince fan can behave like this is unbelievable, obviously u have learned nothing from his music. you´re my funkybrotha "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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You mean we can hold press conferences to announce that our coworkers are "devilish"?
c´mon voice. Have you ever heard of anyone being more polite to others. Motolla is the only person MJ has ever attacked publicaly. I believe he had a reason. Mike has NEVER EVER spoke negatively of ANYONE! EVER! While you see other ppl bitching others all the time. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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FunkyBrotha said: Anyone who hates on MJ right now is obviously sick in the head and i would have absolutely no wish to converse with them. Im also utterly disgusted that a Prince fan would spout filth from their mouths regarding michael, which i have witnessed on this site. Do these individuals have any morals/standards, do they not understand that no human being deserves to be treated in this way for no justifiable reason (and dont give me the "he's wacko" argument). Fair enough, you dont like the guy, but to launch vicious attacks on him and strip him of his dignity is just plain evil. This is especially disgusting, since MJ has contributed more to this world, its culture, its art, its history than everyone on this board combined. He deserves to be treated with the same respect he treats others.
This post is absolute bullshit. This is Prince.org and I don't exactly see people clamoring for Prince to get the respect he deserves. I see disrespectful posts about him, his friends, his wife, his ass, etc., and we're supposed to get upset because some dissed MJ on a Prince site? MJ is a grown assed man who does not seem to be capable of taking responsibility for his own actions. Whatever happens to him is of his own doing. When the first accusations came out in '93 and he didn't stop sharing his bed with children without adult supervision, then everything else that happened is too fucking bad.Did anyone hear the story about him stopping his car the other day, and he bought 2 soda's from girls at the side of the road for $0.25 and he then gave them $100 each. A man who does that whilst being attacked by the whole world is to be commended imo. How any Prince fan can behave like this is unbelievable, obviously u have learned nothing from his music. | |
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Stymie said: This post is absolute bullshit. This is Prince.org and I don't exactly see people clamoring for Prince to get the respect he deserves. I see disrespectful posts about him, his friends, his wife, his ass, etc., and we're supposed to get upset because some dissed MJ on a Prince site? MJ is a grown assed man who does not seem to be capable of taking responsibility for his own actions. Whatever happens to him is of his own doing. When the first accusations came out in '93 and he didn't stop sharing his bed with children without adult supervision, then everything else that happened is too fucking bad.
I like that song.  | |
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This post is absolute bullshit. This is Prince.org and I don't exactly see people clamoring for Prince to get the respect he deserves. I see disrespectful posts about him, his friends, his wife, his ass, etc., and we're supposed to get upset because some dissed MJ on a Prince site? MJ is a grown assed man who does not seem to be capable of taking responsibility for his own actions. Whatever happens to him is of his own doing. When the first accusations came out in '93 and he didn't stop sharing his bed with children without adult supervision, then everything else that happened is too fucking bad
true as well. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: This post is absolute bullshit. This is Prince.org and I don't exactly see people clamoring for Prince to get the respect he deserves. I see disrespectful posts about him, his friends, his wife, his ass, etc., and we're supposed to get upset because some dissed MJ on a Prince site? MJ is a grown assed man who does not seem to be capable of taking responsibility for his own actions. Whatever happens to him is of his own doing. When the first accusations came out in '93 and he didn't stop sharing his bed with children without adult supervision, then everything else that happened is too fucking bad
true as well.  Dag and TOFKA agreeing on something. | |
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calldapplwondery83 said: Like I said, very open-minded.
And it's an established fact by now that he has vitiligo. Except for those open-minded few, of course. I'm sure he bleached the rest of his skin because he wouldn't want to run around with stains in his face, but so what? That's not "destroying his blackness". hooray. at last somebody knows what they're on about. There's a girl where i work with very bad Vitiligo, her face is 60% white. This time last year i'd swear it was 60% black. She says it easier to white up these days. Lovely girl, i feel for her. Though she does at times make light of her condition, alternating her make up at times to confuse all the newbies at work. |
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FunkyBrotha said: Anyone who hates on MJ right now is obviously sick in the head and i would have absolutely no wish to converse with them. Im also utterly disgusted that a Prince fan would spout filth from their mouths regarding michael, which i have witnessed on this site. Do these individuals have any morals/standards, do they not understand that no human being deserves to be treated in this way for no justifiable reason (and dont give me the "he's wacko" argument). Fair enough, you dont like the guy, but to launch vicious attacks on him and strip him of his dignity is just plain evil. This is especially disgusting, since MJ has contributed more to this world, its culture, its art, its history than everyone on this board combined. He deserves to be treated with the same respect he treats others.
Did anyone hear the story about him stopping his car the other day, and he bought 2 soda's from girls at the side of the road for $0.25 and he then gave them $100 each. A man who does that whilst being attacked by the whole world is to be commended imo. How any Prince fan can behave like this is unbelievable, obviously u have learned nothing from his music. REAL TALK. well said, funkybrotha. |
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moderatorMarrk said: dreamfactory313 said: So are you saying that no one had dislike for MJ in the media before the 1993 allegations? no, he's saying he was quick to believe 1993 Hook, line and sinker. Pity, there's a few like that. That's not at all what I said. I gave him the benefit of the doubt back then. I was rooting for his comeback well after I bought Invicible. It's only been since his current mess that I've reassessed his eccentricities. But he totally lost alot of the general public around 1993, imho. . [Edited 6/13/05 8:28am] | |
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This is a prime example of the hate that inspired this thread.
From VH1.com: Jackson's touring career has been in the dumps in the U.S. for more than a decade, but he's still a huge draw in Asia, and overseas audiences are likely to be more forgiving. He should begin a comeback where he's still considered a huge star and let his fans do the talking and show the world he still has it. "[With an acquittal] there's still a sizeable population here that will think he's guilty," said Bongiovanni. "But overseas, the demand is still very strong." http://www.vh1.com/news/a...lines=true "Jackson's touring career has been in the dumps in the U.S. for more than a decade. Michael Jackson purposely retired from touring the United States (except for Hawaii after the Bad tour in 1988. If he hasnt toured the US since then, why would they describehis touring career as being "in the dumps"? Personally I believe that Michael Jackson can sell out any venue in this country. What are these critics thinking? | |
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"The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them insomuch as he who knows nothing is nearer the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors."
Thomas Jefferson Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: "The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them insomuch as he who knows nothing is nearer the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors."
Thomas Jefferson  
That's what's so funny about the responses on this thread, the basically reflect media opinion. And we think we have free thought in a free society.  | |
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When did we start hating Michael Jackson?
For me it began when the non prince music thread began being taken over by Jackson obsessives who start a new thread everytime MJ farts. . | |
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krayzie said: dreamfactory313 said: Im not using any race card. PurpleKinght mentioned that people started hated him when his appearance changed. All I said is that people were hating him when he was dark skinned, before the drastic change in appearance. Thats a fact from as far as I can see. People didn't hate him when he was black, but a lot of people was making a lot of joke because his voice was abnormally high... But after Thriller people started to hate him, because most of them were pissed of Thriller success... the same way people started to be pissed of Prince after Purple Rain... Very true. We are guilty of doing that, even today with contemporary artists ala Usher, Beyoncé who have huge success. My answer, I think it did start in the 80s and grew gradually as the years went by. I think he brought it on himself, I don't feel any sympathy. love is a fate resigned memories mar my mind love it is a fate resigned Over futile odds and laughed at by the Gods and now the final frame Love is a losing game | |
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dreamfactory313 said: I remember watching Geraldo's talk show in 1995. The whole show was about his History album, his marriage to Lisa Marie and the molestation allegations that by then had been settled out of court. I will never forget this show because of what people were saying on it. He had a panel of gossip columnists and they were all saying your typical trash MJ stuff (except for Flo Anthony). I remember them showing a clip of the "Scream" video and Geraldo said that he thught the song was rubbish and unlistenable and he said that the video was awful and shouldnt have costed as much as it did. They said MJ was washed up and stale and the cd was going to flop. All this and the cd hadnt even come out yet. I have watched this agressive campaign to destroy Michael's career for a long time now. Its running in overdrive now.
Interestingly. Geraldo has been one of the few journalist to come to MJ's defense this time around. He used his credentials as a lawyer (yup, believe it or not, Geraldo is a bona-fide lawyer) to gain access to the court transcripts and look over the evidence (he also looked at the past cases). He ultimately concluded that MJ was innocent, and that he was the victim of grifters who were taking advantage of his naive, trusting nature. 
Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) | |
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JediMaster said: dreamfactory313 said: I remember watching Geraldo's talk show in 1995. The whole show was about his History album, his marriage to Lisa Marie and the molestation allegations that by then had been settled out of court. I will never forget this show because of what people were saying on it. He had a panel of gossip columnists and they were all saying your typical trash MJ stuff (except for Flo Anthony). I remember them showing a clip of the "Scream" video and Geraldo said that he thught the song was rubbish and unlistenable and he said that the video was awful and shouldnt have costed as much as it did. They said MJ was washed up and stale and the cd was going to flop. All this and the cd hadnt even come out yet. I have watched this agressive campaign to destroy Michael's career for a long time now. Its running in overdrive now.
Interestingly. Geraldo has been one of the few journalist to come to MJ's defense this time around. He used his credentials as a lawyer (yup, believe it or not, Geraldo is a bona-fide lawyer) to gain access to the court transcripts and look over the evidence (he also looked at the past cases). He ultimately concluded that MJ was innocent, and that he was the victim of grifters who were taking advantage of his naive, trusting nature. I know. Thats why I was so surprised to seem him turn the corner. Geraldo used to be very anti-MJ. Remember he would have LaToya on his show all the time when she used to bash her brother? | |
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dreamfactory313 said: I was listening to a local radio talk show last weekened and they were taking callers. One person called (a black woman) in to complain about Michael's eccentricities. She said that Michael grew up as a handsome black man and now hes a white woman. She talked about his cosmetic surgery and his white skin. She screamed: "Why would he have all of that plastic surgery?"
and the co-host of the show said: "Do you know how many people in Hollywood have plastic surgery on their faces?" and the caller said: "Yeah, but thats OUR face!" It was striking to me that she would say that. It was very telling. This whole thing is bigger than just Michael Jackson. Its about a legacy. A legacy in African-American history and many blacks feel subconciously hurt by Michael's seemingly ambandonment of black culture. Michael is getting heat from everybody, icluding blacks. Blacks have had a psychological stake in the success of black celebrities for a long time and I think blacks feel betrayed. Ditto, Ditto Ditto...and to add to your point, people started being turned off by Mike with the release of the Bad album...but even more than that, people were turned off when it became less about the music...It became all about MJ's obsession with topping Thriller...One thing that makes me laugh is all this talk about Mike not being able to reach the levels of his '80s days...The thing that people have to remember is MJ's level of success in the '80s will never be seen again...The '80s was wide open, the media was leaner and much more streamlined (no internet) and people were less jaded about their heroes...As a veteran Prince fan who brought both Thriller and Purple Rain, the hoopla around that trial reminded me that Mike really was the biggest star of his era in terms of worldwide impact...It's just too bad that he has lost his humanity.... | |
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