krayzie said:

Damn, you hit that on the head.

Slave2daGroove said:

I understand where you're comming from but this is one thread of many that I have started in my 14 months here on the Org. I think Im entitled to start a discussion about anything I choose. Just because I start a thread like this dosent mean that I dont care about single mothers, the homeless, or education. Thank you.

PurpleKnight said:

Maybe MJ does deserve what he's getting but that doesnt have anything to do with this thread topic. If you want to piss on MJ for the sake of pissing on him, please go to the Trial thread. This thread is about something else.

VoicesCarry said:

Those fans are CRAZY. One of them got a restraining order not to come around one of the reporters because he was threatening her. Diane Dimond is her name. That's just silly and immature. Can you imagine what'll happen with them if MJ is convicted?

Marrk said:

Alright, is there really a front page of a newspaper as the one I'm thinking of after reading this?
How can one write such a line? I guess opportunity, anonymity and legitimation bring the worst out of people. Happens all the time.
I hope you get what I mean. I'm just stunned by this.
Reminds me of the headline of the biggest German newspaper back in 2001 after the terror attacks when they wrote "we wish you everlasting hell, monster!" under the photo of one of the terrorists.
The attacks of course cannot be explained or excused with common sense, but such revenge mentality is what brought us where we are.

Rant over.

purplecam said:

Maybe after they dismember Diane, they can donate her to a soup kitchen or something.

PurpleKnight said:

What is? people attacking him for nigh on twenty five years is his fault how? I can understand from '93 onwards, but what the hell was he doing in the early 80's to piss people off so much?

I find it incredible and disheartening that all the good he's done (both as an entertainer and humanitarian) is just being swept away under a cloud of baseless innuendo and hearsay.

I just kind of want to state for the record that I am in no way an apologist for some of the decisions that MJ has made but I think it is a crying shame the way this man has been tried and convicted in the media.

dreamfactory313 said:

People didn't hate him when he was black, but a lot of people was making a lot of joke because his voice was abnormally high...

But after Thriller people started to hate him, because most of them were pissed of Thriller success... the same way people started to be pissed of Prince after Purple Rain...

right around the time he jacked off that first kid.

purplecam said:

I can't believe some of them came from all over the world to sit outside the courthouse and Neverland for an unspecified amount of time! How'd they get that kind of free time? Money? Energy?

krayzie said:

Other than the success of his Thriller album, why do you think he was hated so much at that time?

Universaluv said:

So are you saying that no one had dislike for MJ in the media before the 1993 allegations?

dreamfactory313 said:

If you are talkin about race, I don't think so, he was so popular during this time, everybody loved him all around the world.
If you are talkin about the Beatles catalog...
Really I don't know why Mike should be hated because he bought the Beatles catalog...
[Edited 6/10/05 12:49pm]

dreamfactory313 said:

no, he's saying he was quick to believe 1993 Hook, line and sinker. Pity, there's a few like that.

JackieBlue said:

Isn't that the truth? The trial's been going on sine February, January if you count Jury Duty. I wouldn't do that for anyone, Prince included.

krayzie said:

Don't mistake hate for envy. Mike's share of it is worth hundreds of millions these days. I didn't believe in any conspiracy to do with the catalogue until a few months ago, then i stumbled on some fact and figures on that thing and i'm not so sure anymore.

"The appetite for Michael Jackson is insatiable," said Graeme Massie, who has covered the trial for Splash, a British news agency. "In the U.S., people may believe that Jackson's star has fallen, but in Europe it still shines brightly."

As badly as Michael may have contributed to his own demise, there is certainly an undertone of maliciousness that creeps in the American media. Its as noticable as the stench of a dead animal.

dreamfactory313 said:

He's not gone yet. I'll be supporting him in the event of any retrial, or if the worse happens, appeal.

It aint over!

Marrk said:

true that.

so true Marrk.

Anyways. I´ll always love Mike and I find it appaling to see all the hatred towards him. It´s very painful to watch. Those of you who are not his fans do not seem to realize that, but if you care about him, you feel the pain and I have felt a lot of it because of what was done to MJ. I am not trying to whine here saying poor us MJ-fans, cause Mike has given us a lot of compansation, but I just feel sory for the man. HOnestly, I´ve never seen anyone who would be more ridiculed. And plz stop this non-sence saying he deserves it. He´s not the only person in this world to have made stupid mistakes or to be eccentric.

Dream, Michael was a puppet, when he decided to pull his own strings they came down on him, now they're trying to kill him. it's vast conspiracy. The media is used by they to control the masses, they can make or break anyone. Mike knows they are trying to break him.....

The only person who should have a problem with that is Paul McCartney.

In the UK, the tabloid media created the whole 'Wacko Jacko' thing so most of the UK see him as an eccentric individual and most don't like him.

Some MJ fans are way OTT in their support but if thats their thing then whatever. I'm a fan of MJ's music, espically his music with The J5, Jacksons and 'Off The Wall' and 'Thriller' albums.

I've been a big MJ fan for many years and find it interesting that some people have such a one dimensional approach in their judgment of him. The J Randy Taraborrelli book should be read by any MJ hater and then perhaps they'll re-evaluate their own thoughts rather than being told what to think by the media.

Just my

People were pissed with Prince because he changed his musical style. People were pissed with Michael because he changed his looks.

Hmmm. Good question. I think when he did "Leave me Alone" it was sort of the start of things that the media was saying all kinds of crap about him (some he started). At this time 1987, he was still respected and had the same amount of media crap that most famous stars have...but nothing awful.

His skin started getting lighter and his appearance started changing.

He came out with the lack luster Dangerous...with the hit single Black or White. The album was a big disappointment and it was no longer cool to like MJ...who did a whole car dance scene with the crotch grab...which seemed really really wierd. It was almost over.

Molestation charges in 93...this was truely the thing that kickstarted his decline and fall from grace.

A ridiculously large statue was erected in his honor.

His marriage and subsequent divorce and then married again had 3 kids and then got divorced agian. Many did not belives that A) the marrigaes were really about love and B) Many were shocked to find out MJ was a dad...and that those were his kids.

All this time...more and more surgery and the whitening of his skin. He was becomeing a joke.

He went on and did that interview on 20/20 in which he furthered the wierdness. He may have thought he was clearing his name...but no one believed him at this point. I realized all his credibility was gone. No one liked him.

Everything after that was a farce. I'd say it was a slow road...but definitely over a decade of strangness got many to not like him anymore.

Anyone who hates on MJ right now is obviously sick in the head and i would have absolutely no wish to converse with them. Im also utterly disgusted that a Prince fan would spout filth from their mouths regarding michael, which i have witnessed on this site. Do these individuals have any morals/standards, do they not understand that no human being deserves to be treated in this way for no justifiable reason (and dont give me the "he's wacko" argument). Fair enough, you dont like the guy, but to launch vicious attacks on him and strip him of his dignity is just plain evil. This is especially disgusting, since MJ has contributed more to this world, its culture, its art, its history than everyone on this board combined. He deserves to be treated with the same respect he treats others.

Did anyone hear the story about him stopping his car the other day, and he bought 2 soda's from girls at the side of the road for $0.25 and he then gave them $100 each. A man who does that whilst being attacked by the whole world is to be commended imo.

How any Prince fan can behave like this is unbelievable, obviously u have learned nothing from his music.

I also have to admit that the thing with buying beatles catalog was not a cool thing for him to do. He made a lot of enemies (I would imagine in Europe/England) when he did that. I still can't believe that he outbid Paul on those. They were supposed to be friends.

You know Sir McCartney is just waiting for those to be auctioned off again.

i cant get over the title of the article about mj. sweat, freak!? are you being serious? or are you just overreacting? if there really is a title saying that im am absolutely SHOCKED! how can they do that? how can they get away with that? thats absolutely disgusting! poor michael, i didnt know the treatment from the media was that bad! seriously, michael DOES NOT deserve that, and he did not bring that om himself (meaning the media hatred) and any idiot that could possibly say to me he deserves that title is a sick freak themselves.