You know, this is what Ive been thinking. I think that when MJ constantly says that he didnt have a childhood it means that not only was he not allowed to be a kid because of his work schedule or he didnt get to play with other kids but that his childhood innocence was STOLEN from him. Has anyone ever thought about that? I think he just doesnt know any other way to say it. I think that MJ was sexually and/or emotionally molested when he was a kid. Thats the only way that you could explain it. Thats gotta be it!

What do u guys think?

dreamfactory313 said:

I had my childhood stolen from me. I went through therapy for years. Had the people around him taken care of him, we would probably not be having this conversation.

Marrk said:

But they never said he was "weird" like MJ. He just havent been publicly promoting singles and albums like MJ, though he was doing much much more.

Prince has been famous since he was what..19? He put himself on the map.

MJ has been doing this shit since he was 5. He was I'd say...forced in the public by his father. He doesnt even know anything else but being famous, and staying famous.

Its good that you have been able to get whatever help that you needed to deal with your situation, Stymie.

There was thread in the General Discussion Forum about do words really hurt and I think they do especially to very sensitive individuals.

I don't know about the sexual molestation but I wouldn't be surprised if it was psychological/emotional abuse. It's amazing how a person can be affected by what a an imposing or dominant person says to them.

If Joe or anyone else constantly said negative things or criticized him enough it could severely affect his self-esteem enough so that he wouldn't feel confidant not just as person but as 'a man'. The stage was his safest place, performing--what he did best. Away from those things he may have felt insecure, inadequate, etc. This probably would also supported his distrust of adults, relationships with women or intimate relationships in general. The way that he protects himself is by surrounding himself with what is non-threatening and through avoidance.

Being a husband or lover requires him to deal with things he may not be use to or comfortable with. It may be a level of emotional resposnsibility he literally can not handle. Being a parent comes naturally because of his love for children and his nurturing aspect. When he can no longer cuddle them and control them it may be an interesting time for him because they will be adults who may have very different views or personalities and may eventually move away from home.

I'll bet a few people have tried to help Michael over the years but you can't help someone who doesn't want to change. Also if he's stubborn and superstar he doesn't want to hear what anyone else has to say.
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LightOfArt said:

AH yes..
1 of my favorite "debate" topics - FREE WILL/FREEDOM OF CHOICE.

I acknowledge that you (duly) show some compassion to Michael-
I don't envy any person, especially not a (minor) child, who believes they're "obligated" to work to support the family.

to a certain degree, I am sure there was a certain amount of "implied pressure" within the family- at least from "Poppa Joe"- to "give your best", "do this for the family", "do this for your poor mother who has sacrificed so much for you & your siblings", etc.
BUT STILL
AT SOME POINT MICHAEL COULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING LIKE
"hey ya'll.. I've loved performing these last X years, but..
I need a break, I WANT A BREAK, I WANT TO BE A "normal teenager" for 6 months" or a year or whatever..
Michael could have "faked" an injury of some sort,
or
he could have actually inflicted BODILY HARM upon himself to get out of singing/touring (THAT would have been a REAL sign to the family.. "hey, maybe we should ALL chill for a minute..)

through the years, I have heard (& read) Michael say
HOW MUCH HE LOVES
performing on stage, how "the music is in him", how it's "his gift that he 'must' share with the world"..
okay, fine.
even I will say that Michael's music- especially what he did with his brothers- has added something positive to the world..
BUT MICHAEL - as "exceptionally gifted" as he or others may think he is -
CANNOT
HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

he cannot want to be onstage & record & sing & dance all the time-
& be KNOWN WORLDWIDE for it
& make MILLIONS & MILLIONS of dollars
yet "complain" about how he "never had a childhood..

well, I would recommend that in Michael's next lifetime
he be born an only child
somewhere up in Alaska or something
so that he can indeed have that "normal childhood" about which he has TOO OFTEN dreamed about..

then, he can have that "normal adulthood"-
INCLUDING not "sharing a bed" with minor boys-
that most of us "normal adults" know.

dreamfactory313 said:

Marrk said:

NO Marrk, I am NOT saying that Michael deserves to "go down" to go to (or get back to) anything. in fact (as I'm sure I've said before on the org & elsewhere)
I would rather see him acquitted, provided obviously that the jury finds him "innocent beyond a reasonable doubt"..
seriously I would.
here is why :
worst case scenario (& God forbid), this delicate & perpetually misunderstood man-child-genius would be found guilty of these charges & be sent to "jail"..
the hurt & humiliation would drive him to kill himself.
AGAIN - I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THIS HAPPEN WITH MICHAEL & I THINK IT'S WRONG FOR ANYONE TO TAKE THEIR OWN LIFE FOR ANY REASON.
if somehow something like this were to happen & Mike "took himself out"..
it would be the
ONLY THING
in the media - ALL OVER THE WORLD - for that next month.
a month later, it would be the MAIN THING in all the media for the next SIX months..
I'm JUST getting out of the "OJ" thing, which was.. almost 10 years ago..


Marrk you do make a good point about those parents - e.g. the "parents" of JonBenet Ramsey - who push their children into situations for which these children are hardly prepared for..
however I think you & I both know that for every REASONABLE parent who would encourage their child into any artistic form, there is at least ANOTHER parent who is "gung-ho" & will sell anything or anyone - even themselves - to put their child in that spotlight.
a sad commentary indeed.


then this may be the BIGGEST irony:
Mike talks about how much he is "for children" & how much he loves them..

I wonder how much - IF AT ALL - Mike thought about the impact of the MERE ALLEGATIONS of what he's accused of doing.. how this will affect HIS OWN "children".. who, as we all know, already have to walk around IN PUBLIC with sheets &/or masks covering their faces.. & having no contact with their mother..
WHERE was Mike's COMMON SENSE when he said to himself
"I'm going to be loving & positive & giving, by sharing my bed with minor pre-adolescent boys to whom I am not at all related.. & this is NOT going to be a problem for or have an impact on anybody else, because I am wholesome & I genuinely love children & they love me, & yada yada yada.."


DEFINITELY
a sad commentary..
ALL
THE WAY
AROUND.

mltijchr said:

I agree with much of what you said, but Michael caring for kids is really nothing new. It's time for him to look after his(?) own kids and just do worthwhile things like:

Lest we forget

January 10, 1984: Michael visits the unit for burn victims at Brotman-Memorial Hospital in Los Angeles.

April 9, 1984: David Smithee, a 14-year-old boy who suffers from cystic fibroses is invited to Michael's home. It was David's last wish to meet Michael. He dies 7 weeks later.

April 14, 1984: Michael equips a 19-bed-unit at Mount Senai New York Medical Center. This center is part of the T.J. Martell-Foundation for leukemia and cancer research.

July 5, 1984: During the Jackson's press conference at Tavern On The Green, Michael announces that his part of the earnings from the Victory Tour will be donated to three charitable organizations: The United Negro College Fund, Camp Good Times, and the T.J. Martell-Foundation.

July 14, 1984: After the first concert of the Victory Tour, Michael meets 8 terminally ill children backstage.
December 13, 1984: Michael visits the Brotman Memorial Hospital, where he had been treated when he was burned very badly during the producing of a Pepsi commercial. He donates all the money he receives from Pepsi, $1.5 million, to the Michael Jackson Burn Center for Children.

January 28, 1985: Michael and 44 other artists meet to record "We Are The World", written by Michael and Lionel Ritchie. The proceeds of this record are donated to the starving people in Africa.

1986: Michael set up the "Michael Jackson UNCF Endowed Scholarship Fund". This $1.5 million fund is aimed towards students majoring in performance art and communications, with money given each year to students attending a UNCF member college or university.

February 28, 1986: After having had a heart-transplant, 14-year-old Donna Ashlock from California gets a call from Michael Jackson. He had heard that she is a big fan of his. Michael invites her to his home as soon as she is feeling better. This visit takes place on March 8th. Donna stays for dinner and watches a movie together with Michael.

September 13, 1987: Michael supports a campaign against racism. He supports efforts of the NAACP, to fight prejudices against black artists.

October 1987: At the end of his Bad Tour, Michael donates some personal items to the UNESCO for a charitable auction. The proceeds will be for the education of children in developing countries.

February 1, 1988: The Song "Man In the Mirror" enters the charts. The proceeds from the sales of this record goes to Camp Ronald McDonald for Good Times, a camp for children who suffer from cancer.

March 1, 1988: At a press conference held by his sponsor Pepsi, Michael presents a $600,000 check to the United Negro College Fund.

April 1988: Free tickets are given away for three concerts in Atlanta, Georgia to the Make A Wish Foundation.

May 22, 1988: Michael visits children who suffer from cancer in the Bambini-Gesu Children's Hospital in Rome. He signs autographs and gives away sweets and records to the little patients. He promises a check of 100,000 pounds to the hospital.

July 16, 1988: Before a concert at Wembley Stadium Michael meets the Prince of Wales and his wife Diana. He hands over a check of 150,000 pounds for the Prince's Trust, and a check of 100,000 pounds for the children's hospital at Great Ormond Street.

July 20, 1988: Michael visits terminally ill children at Great Ormond Street Hospital. At a unit for less critical patients he stays a little bit longer and tells a story.

August 29, 1988: At his 30th birthday Michael performs a concert in Leeds, England for the English charity-organization "Give For Life". The goal of this organization is the immunization of children. Michael presents a check for 65,000 pounds.

December 1988: Michael visits 12-year-old David Rothenburg. His father had 5 years earlier burned him very badly in an act of revenge against his former wife.

January 1989: The proceeds of one of Michael's shows in Los Angeles are donated to Childhelp USA, the biggest charity-organization against child-abuse. In appreciation of the contributions of Michael, Childhelp of Southern California is founding the "Michael Jackson International Institute for Research On Child Abuse".

January 10, 1989: The Bad Tour comes to an end. Under-privileged children are donated tickets for each concert and Michael donates money to hospitals, orphanages and charity-organizations.

February 7, 1989: Michael visits the Cleveland Elementary School in Stockton, California. Some weeks earlier a 25-year-old man had fired at the school's playground. 5 children had been killed and 39 had been wounded.

March 5, 1989: Michael invites 200 deprived children of the St. Vincent Institute for handicapped children and of the organization Big Brothers and Big Sisters to the Circus Vargas in Santa Barbara. After this event he invites them to his ranch to introduce his private zoo at his Neverland Ranch to them.

November 13, 1989: The organization "Wishes Granted" helps 4-year-old Darian Pagan, who suffers from leukemia to meet Michael. Michael invites the little boy to a performance of Canadian acrobats.

December 28, 1989: Young Ryan White, who suffers from hemophilia, spends his holidays on Michael's ranch. Ryan had been infected with AIDS by contaminated blood transfusions in 1984. After he was excluded from his school in Kokomo, Ryan fought against the discrimination of AIDS victims.

January 6, 1990: Michael invites 82 abused and neglected children through Childhelp to his Neverland Ranch. There are games, a Barbeque and a movie show provided for them.

July 1990: 45 children from the Project Dream Street, Los Angeles, for children with life-threatening illness are invited to Neverland Valley.
August 18, 1990: Michael invites 130 children of the YMCA summer program of Los Angeles and Santa Barbara to his Neverland Ranch.

May 6, 1991: Michael is invited to the Jane Goodall Charity event. Michael supports her, an advocate of behavioral research concerning chimpanzees in Gombe, Nigeria for more than 30 years.

July 26, 1991: Michael pays a visit to the Youth Sports & Art Foundation in Los Angeles. This Foundation supports families of gang members, and helps dealing with drug-abuse. Michael talks to the kids and presents them with a wide-screen TV set and a financial gift.


December 1991: Michael's office MJJ Productions treats needy families in Los Angeles with more than 200 turkey dinners.
February 1992: Within 11 days Michael covers 30,000 miles in Africa, to visit hospitals, orphanages, schools, churches, and institutions for mentally handicapped children.

February 3, 1992: At a press conference at the New York Radio City Music Hall, Michael announces that he is planning a new world tour, to raise funds for his new "Heal The World" Foundation. This Foundation will support the fight against AIDS, Juvenile Diabetes and will support the Camp Ronald McDonald and the Make A Wish Foundation.
May 6, 1992: Michael defrays the funeral-expenses for Ramon Sanchez, who was killed during the Los Angeles riots.

June 23, 1992: At a press conference in London, Michael makes an announcement about his Heal The World Foundation.

June 26, 1992: Michael presents the Mayor of Munich, Mr. Kronawitter, with a 40,000 DM-check for the needy people of the city.

June 29, 1992: Michael visits the Sophia Children's Hospital in Rotterdam and presents a check for 100,000 pounds.

July 1992: Michael donated L. 821,477,296 to La Partita del Cuore (The Heart Match) in Rome and donated 120,000 DM to children's charities in Estonia and Latvia.

July 25, 1992: On the occasion of a concert in Dublin, Ireland, Michael announces that he will give 400,000 pounds of the tour earnings to various charities.

July 29, 1992: Michael visits the Queen Elizabeth Children's Hospital in London. To the surprise the children, he brings Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse from Euro-Disney to the hospital.

July 31, 1992: On the Eve of his second concert at Wembley Stadium, Michael presents Prince Charles with a check of 200,000 pounds for the Prince's Trust.

August 16, 1992: 6 year old Nicholas Killen, who lost his eyesight caused by a life aiding cancer surgery, meets Michael backstage in Leeds, England.

September 1992: Michael donated 1 million pesetas to charity headed by the Queen of Spain.

September 30, 1992: President Iliescu of Romania inaugurates a playground for 500 orphans which Michael has financed. Michael discusses his Heal The World Foundation.

October 1, 1992: Michael chooses a concert in Bucharest, Romania for worldwide television broadcast. Bucharest is a logical choice due to the numerous orphanages the country is known for.

November 24, 1992: At Kennedy Airport in New York, Michael supervises the loading of 43 tons of medication, blankets, and winter clothes destined for Sarajevo. The Heal The World Foundation collaborates with AmeriCares to bring resources totaling $2.1 million to Sarajevo. They will be allocated under the supervision of the United Nations.

December 10, 1992: During a press conference at the American Ambassy in Tokyo Michael is presented with a check for $100,000 for the Heal The World Foundation by Tour Sponsor Pepsi.

December 26, 1992: During a broadcast request for donations to the United Negro College Fund, Michael declares: "Black Colleges and Universities are breeding some of the leading personalities of our time. They are on top in business, justice, science and technologies, politics and religion. I am proud, that the Michael Jackson Scholarship Program enabled more than 200 young men and women to get a qualified education."

January 19, 1993: Michael is one of the stars to perform at the Presidential Inauguration of Bill Clinton. Before he sings "Gone Too Soon" he draws the attention to the plights of the victims of AIDS and mentions his friend Ryan White.

January 26, 1993: At a press conference held at Century Plaza Hotel in Century City, Los Angeles, Michael is presented with a $200,000 donation from the National Football League and the Sponsors of the Super Bowl. He gets another $500,000 from the BEST Foundation for his Heal The World Foundation. At this occasion the foundation of "Heal L.A." is officially announced.

February 1993: In association with Sega, launched an initiative to distribute more than $108,000 of computer games and equipment to children's hospitals, children's homes, and children's charities throughout the U.K.

March 1993: The foundation of an independent film company is announced. They will produce family-oriented movies. A part of the earnings will go to the Heal The World Foundation.

March 27, 1993: At a meeting at Century Plaza Hotel in Los Angeles, Michael gives a 5-minute speech to 1200 teachers and politicians.

April 26, 1993: Within his "Heal LA" tour, Michael visits the Watta Health Foundation, and two schools in Los Angeles South Central.

May 5, 1993: Former President Jimmy Carter and Michael, who are chairmen of the "Heal Our Children/Heal The World" initiative, are in Atlanta to promote their "Atlanta Project Immunization Drive".
June 1993: Michael has announced that he will donate $1.25 million for children who have suffered from the riots in Los Angeles.

June 1993: 100 children from the Challengers Boys and Girls Club visit Neverland.


June 10, 1993: Michael promotes the new DARE-program. The purpose of the program is to inform children about the dangers of drug abuse.

June 18, 1993: Michael pays a visit to a hospital in Washington. He spends several hours with the young patients and plays chess with some of them.


August 1993: With Pepsi-Cola Thailand, donated $40,000 to Crown Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn's charity, the Rural School Children and Youth Development Fund, in support of school lunch programs in rural villages in Thailand.

August 1993: In conjunction with Pepsi-Cola International, donated new ambulances to the Contacts One Independent Living Center for Children in Moscow, Russia and the Hospital de Ninos Dr. Ricardo Gutierrez in Buenos Aires, Argentina.

October 1993: Donated $100,000 to the Children's Defense Fund, the Children's Diabetes Foundation, the Atlanta Project, and the Boys and Girl Clubs of Newark, New Jersey.

October 22, 1993: Michael visits a hospital in Santiago.

October 28, 1993: Michael makes it possible for 5000 underprivileged children to visit the Reino Aventura Park, where the whale Keiko ("Free Willy") is living.

November 5, 1993: Michael is guest at a children's party at the Hard Rock Cafe in Mexico City.

December 1993: With the Gorbachev Foundation, airlifted 60,000 doses of children's vaccines to Tblisi, Georgia.

December 16, 1993: The Heal The World Foundation UK supports "Operation Christmas Child" delivering toys, sweets, gifts and food to children in former Yugoslavia.
1994: Michael donates $500,000 to Elizabeth Taylor's AIDS Foundation.

January 7, 1994: On the weekend of Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday, Michael gives a party for more than 100 underprivileged children at his Neverland Ranch.

February 22, 1994: "The Jackson Family Honors" is televised. The earnings of the show are given to their own newly formed charity, "Family Caring for Families".

August 6, 1994: Michael and his wife Lisa Marie are visiting two children's hospitals in Budapest. They distribute toys to the ill children.

1995: Michael wants to free dolphins who have been locked up for years. He believes there should be legal guidelines about the way dolphins have to live in zoos and parks.

March 1995: Little Bela Farkas received a new liver. Michael and Lisa Marie met this 4-year-old boy during their trip to Hungary in 1994. Michael did everything to help Bela, whose only chance to live was getting a new liver. The Heal The World Foundation covered the surgery and the cost for caring.

June 21, 1996: Michael donated a four-times platinum disc of "HIStory" in aid of the Dunblane appeal at the Royal Oak Hotel, Sevenoaks in England.

July 18, 1996: In Soweto, South Africa Michael is laying down a wreath of flowers for youngsters who have been killed during the fights involving Apartheid.

September 1996: The first Sports Festival "Hope" was held for orphans and disadvantaged children. 3000 children and 600 volunteers took part in the Sports Festival and Michael Jackson was a special guest.
September 6, 1996: Michael visits the children's unit of a hospital in Prague.

October 1996: Michael visited a hospital for mentally challenged children in Kaoshiung, Taiwan and offered 2,000 free tickets to the sold out performance in Kaoshiung.
October 1, 1996: Michael donated the proceeds of his Tunisia concert to "The National Solidarity Fund", a charity dedicated to fighting poverty.

October 3, 1996: Michael visits a children's hospital and brings small gifts for the patients during a HIStory tour visit in Amsterdam. A room in the hospital (for parents who want to be with their children) is named after Michael.

November 1, 1996: Michael donates most of the earnings from a HIStory concert in Bombay, India to the poor people of the country.

November 7, 1996: Before his first concert in Auckland, New Zealand, Michael fulfills the wish of little Emely Smith, who is suffering from cancer, who wants to meet Michael.

November 25, 1996: Michael visited the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne, delivering toys, signing autographs, and visiting with children.

December 9, 1996: During a HIStory tour visit in Manila, Michael visits a children's hospital. He announces that a part of his concert earnings will be donated to the renovation of the hospital.

January 25, 1997: Michael waved his personal fee for his Bombay appearance and donated $1.1 million to a local charity helping to educate children living in slums.

April 4, 1997: British magazine "OK!" is publishing exclusive photos of Michael's son Prince. The magazine pays about 1 million pounds for the photos. Michael donates the money to charity.

June 18, 1997: Michael signed the "Children in Need" book auctioned by the charity UNESCO.


September 1998: Michael meets 5 year old Aza Woods, who suffers from cancer, at the Hilton Hotel in Las Vegas. Michael introduces Aza to the attraction "Star Trek: The Experience" and spends the rest of the afternoon with the little boy. Finally Michael invites Aza to spend some time with him at his Neverland Ranch.

November 16, 1998: Michael arrives in Harare, Zimbabwe. He is a member of the American Delegation invited by the Minister of Defense. The delegation thanks the government of Zimbabwe for helping to keep the peace in this area.

September 4, 1999: Michael presented Nelson Mandela with a check for 1,000,000 South African rand for the "Nelson Mandela Children's Fund."

January 22, 2000: During Christmas last year a violent storm ravaged the park of the Chateau de Versailles and destroyed 10,000 trees in the park. The estimated cost for rebuilding the park is around $20 million. Some celebrities are supporting the restoration of the park. French officials are reporting that Michael Jackson is one of them. He was one of the first people to donate money to this cause.

October 28, 2000:Michael painted a plate to be auctioned for the "Carousel of Hope Ball" benefiting childhood diabetes research.
March 6, 2001: Michael donated a black hat, a birthday phone-call and a jacket worn at the Monaco Music Awards in 2000 to the Movie Action for Children auction, an event being given by UNICEF with all proceeds will going to UNICEF's efforts to prevent mother-to-child HIV transmission in Africa.

March 26, 2001: Michael handed out books to young people at a Newark, NJ theater. The event, which helped to launch the Michael Jackson International Book Club, part of his new Heal the Kids charity, aims to promote childhood reading and encourage parents to return to reading bedtime stories.

September 15, 2002: Michael donated 16 exclusively autographed items consisting of CD's, videos and 2 cotton napkins to aid in the support of the victims of a severe flood in Germany. These items were auctioned off for charity and managed to raise 3935 Euro (US$ 3,814).

October 12, 2002: Michael Jackson invited more than 200 Team Vandenberg members, who recently returned from overseas deployments, and their families to his Neverland Ranch. This was to show his appreciation for the sacrifices the military in his community make.

November 19-29, 2002: Michael donated an autographed teddy bear dressed in his likeness to Siegfried & Roy's celebrity teddy bear auction. This auction benefits Opportunity Village which is a non-profit organization based in Las Vegas (USA) that enhances the lives of individuals with intellectual disabilities and their families. Michael's autographed teddy bear raised $5,000 for the charity.

November 21, 2002: Michael donated a jacket to the The Bambi Charity Event in Berlin which raised $16,000.

April 25, 2002: Michael Jackson performed at a fundraiser for the Democratic National Committee at the Apollo Theater in Harlem helping to raise nearly $3 million dollars towards voter registration.

June 2003: The Wolf family, who experienced serious damages to their belongings during the flood in Saxony, Germany last August, was invited to Berlin by Michael Jackson when he was at the Bambi Awards. On that occasion Michael invited them to Neverland. In June, they spent three days at Neverland, meeting Michael and his children.


[Edited 6/10/05 11:46am]

DAMN.

typing as fast as I was,
I saw that I just made a grammatical mistake :

"who push their children into situations for which these children are hardly prepared for.."

I used "for" twice- the 2nd time it was not needed.


I see that several people here give Michael the benefit of the doubt, with this "Michael being a 'victim' " position..

ALL OF US - who are OBVIOUSLY "on the outside looking in" with Mike's life,
we could all agree that he did have a bad, often "abusive" relationship with his father. this & other factors could have indeed had an effect in how Mike relates to other people- especially adults.
BUT AGAIN- as "famous" as Mike is, as "unique" as his place is in this world,
he is NOT the only person who's ever had a "less than great" relationship with a parent, he's not the only (famous) person who has "missed out on childhood"!

JackieBlue made a VERY GOOD point - about not being able to chance someone who DOES NOT WANT to change.
with Michael's.. (I'll say) "unique way of seeing the world".. there really IS nothing wrong with doing the things he does, things that most others probably would not do..

Marrk said:

I know
Fuck all that shit. Michael is thee most caring entertainer in the world.

paisleypark4 said:

micheal is a hot mess!!

I would hope that, as human beings, we can all feel some sympathy for Michael and wish him well. Each person's experience is different and until you walk in their shoes we really can't judge them (though we do it all the time). However, an individual must be held accountable for their actions when they break the law, regardless of the reasons. If MJ molested this boy he's gotta go to jail. You can't arrest a man for bad judgment though so sleeping in bed with some kids isn't enough. They need solid proof or eye-witness accounts.

It's really that simple. .

If people are so outraged over MJs behavior then maybe there needs to be a law against sharing a bed with boys-- otherwise we really can't complain. I do think all forms of child labor should be prohibited. What happened to MJ was more damaging then forcing a kid to work in a factory.
[Edited 6/10/05 12:20pm]

interesting. I feel it the other way round.

What was with that mask Prince was wearing over his face on the Sunday Show interview and getting Mayte to answer questions for him?.

What was that with the 0(+> and his staff not allowed to call him Prince or Mr Nelson?

What was that all about with the hidden messages on 'Darling Nikki' etc

What was that about the 'Black Album' and it's released being stopped because it was a work of 'evil'

What is that with the countless alter ego's? - Camille, Alexander Nevermind, Joey Coco, Jamie Starr, The Starr Company etc. etc.

These are some examples of Prince's brand of 'craziness' but nothing is said about that on here is it?. I'm a huge P fan but you have to say some of that is way 'out there'.

MistyCotton said:

I don't understand what you want to say...
Nobody accepts his childhood as an excuse for his behavior...

krayzie said:

Yeah, they do. How many times have the words: Michael didn't have a childhood, appear on these very boards?

whodknee said:

You actually make a very good point that I've never seen on here.

Stymie said:

You actually make a very good point that I've never seen on here.[/quote]

I get lucky every now and then.

MistyCotton said:

I think that you go way out on a limb by assuming that anyone but us even pays attention to Prince at this point for them to think anything at all about him, good, bad or indifferent.

Yeah, he got a lot of attention last year. But to most people I encounter, he's still almost as non-existent to them as he was about 3 years ago.