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Printablekrayzie said: NeoSoulScribe said: And I don't see genius that way. That's a more 'simple' definition of the word genius that I don't feel fits here. I like this definition much better and being more accurate: Extraordinary and native intellectual power especially as manifested in unusual capacity for creative activity of any kind. [Edited 6/5/05 10:42am] Love this one... I love as you try to sound intelligent... 
If I took your own Criteria as you tell me to do, Jame Brown isn't an "Extraordinary and native intellectual power especially as manifested in unusual capacity for creative activity of any kind." If i took once again your OWN criteria as you tell me to do, Sly isn't an "Extraordinary and native intellectual power especially as manifested in unusual capacity for creative activity of any kind." Neo, you a true genius... Zzzzz...Huh!..Whuh?! Oh, my bad, CRAZY -- OOPS! -- I mean krayzie was dodging my question again and he startled me...now, back to sleep. Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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NeoSoulScribe said: This may upset a few people, but there are only 3 R&B musical geniuses:
Stevie Ray Prince Period. We tend to throw the word genius around like it's an everyday occurence. Genius is the highest honor you can bestow upon an artist and some of these people may be great singers or have had successful careers but geniuses they are not. [Edited 6/1/05 21:39pm] Neo. While I owe you, I can't even begin to agree with the short list you have. Like I said in here before, "genius" can be applied to vocalists as well. Phrasing, intonation, etc. requires skill. Listen to a Billie Holliday or an Ella Fitzgerald or a Johnny Hartman, or, yes, a Frank Sinatra. What they do is genius as well. On that basis, folk like Al Green qualify as "geniuses" in my book. Sly is also a genius. Without Sly, Prince isn't quite the same Prince. James, Curtis Mayfield, and others could also work their way into the convo. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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namepeace said: NeoSoulScribe said: This may upset a few people, but there are only 3 R&B musical geniuses:
Stevie Ray Prince Period. We tend to throw the word genius around like it's an everyday occurence. Genius is the highest honor you can bestow upon an artist and some of these people may be great singers or have had successful careers but geniuses they are not. [Edited 6/1/05 21:39pm] Neo. While I owe you, I can't even begin to agree with the short list you have. Like I said in here before, "genius" can be applied to vocalists as well. Phrasing, intonation, etc. requires skill. Listen to a Billie Holliday or an Ella Fitzgerald or a Johnny Hartman, or, yes, a Frank Sinatra. What they do is genius as well. On that basis, folk like Al Green qualify as "geniuses" in my book. Sly is also a genius. Without Sly, Prince isn't quite the same Prince. James, Curtis Mayfield, and others could also work their way into the convo. And see, I don't look at MUSICAL GENIUS in just that way. Musical Genius to me HAS to incorporate: Masterization of Musicianship, Longevity, Greatness, Quantity of Output, Creativity, Songwriting, and Composing. Now I could go with your list as "Vocal Geniuses" but not Musical Geniuses. Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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NeoSoulScribe said: namepeace said: Neo. While I owe you, I can't even begin to agree with the short list you have. Like I said in here before, "genius" can be applied to vocalists as well. Phrasing, intonation, etc. requires skill. Listen to a Billie Holliday or an Ella Fitzgerald or a Johnny Hartman, or, yes, a Frank Sinatra. What they do is genius as well. On that basis, folk like Al Green qualify as "geniuses" in my book. Sly is also a genius. Without Sly, Prince isn't quite the same Prince. James, Curtis Mayfield, and others could also work their way into the convo. And see, I don't look at MUSICAL GENIUS in just that way. Musical Genius to me HAS to incorporate: Masterization of Musicianship, Longevity, Greatness, Quantity of Output, Creativity, Songwriting, and Composing. Now I could go with your list as "Vocal Geniuses" but not Musical Geniuses. I see the distinction, I guess I thought we were speaking of genius in a more generic sense, albeit in the musical context. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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First you said
NeoSoulScribe said: LOL! You're funny, bro. James and Marvin I wouldn't call 'geniuses'...and maybe not Sly. When I think of MUSICAL GENIUS I think of someone encompassing ALL of mucis: Singing, writing, composing, instrumentation, output. Ray, Prince, and Stevie are the only ones that fit that criteria.[/b] Then you radically changed YOUR criteria with a very different definition NeoSoulScribe said: VoicesCarry said: One of the dictionary definitions of genius is "a person who influences another for good or bad". So, actually, it does make sense. And, no offense, but since when did your criteria become the gold standard for judging geniuses? krayzie obviously has different criteria, so let him be. And I don't see genius that way. That's a more 'simple' definition of the word genius that I don't feel fits here. I like this definition much better and being more accurate: Extraordinary and native intellectual power especially as manifested in unusual capacity for creative activity of any kind. And I said in my original post that that was MY criteria, didn't I? No, you didn't... 
If you notice there, the criteria you said isn't the same that your original one... sorry But then you changed again YOUR criteria,(you incorporated new things now) NeoSoulScribe said: And see, I don't look at MUSICAL GENIUS in just that way. Musical Genius to me HAS to incorporate: Masterization of Musicianship, Longevity, Greatness, Quantity of Output, Creativity, Songwriting, and Composing. Now you bring Longevity, Greatness, and Creativty. Did you mention this in your original post, of course not... You can verify yourself...
It's very difficult to follow you, everytimes you post, everytimes YOUR criteria changes... Before telling me Read MY criteria.. and then respond accordingly"... Try to fix definitely YOUR criteria and accord yourself first...
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krayzie said: First you said
NeoSoulScribe said: LOL! You're funny, bro. James and Marvin I wouldn't call 'geniuses'...and maybe not Sly. When I think of MUSICAL GENIUS I think of someone encompassing ALL of mucis: Singing, writing, composing, instrumentation, output. Ray, Prince, and Stevie are the only ones that fit that criteria.[/b] Then you radically changed YOUR criteria with a very different definition No, you didn't...
If you notice there, the criteria you said isn't the same that your original one... sorry But then you changed again YOUR criteria,(you incorporated new things now) NeoSoulScribe said: And see, I don't look at MUSICAL GENIUS in just that way. Musical Genius to me HAS to incorporate: Masterization of Musicianship, Longevity, Greatness, Quantity of Output, Creativity, Songwriting, and Composing. Now you bring Longevity, Greatness, and Creativty. Did you mention this in your original post, of course not... You can verify yourself...
It's very difficult to follow you, everytimes you post, everytimes YOUR criteria changes... Before telling me Read MY criteria.. and then respond accordingly"... Try to fix definitely YOUR criteria and accord yourself first...
Ps : Excuse me if I wake up you once again... Zzzzzz....Oh damn! You scared the Stevie out of me! Don't sneak up on a brotha like that as you continue to avoid my question. Now...were you answering my question I posed to you when I asked you to tell me why you said James Brown CREATED FUNK? Oh, my bad. You were avoiding me again. Oh well, back to sleep. Zzzzz... LOL! Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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VoicesCarry said:
[Edited 6/7/05 17:25pm] You should've gotten a Small. This beatdown he's taking won't last long enough for you to finish that Large. LOL Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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NeoSoulScribe said: krayzie said: First you said
Now you bring Longevity, Greatness, and Creativty. Did you mention this in your original post, of course not... You can verify yourself...
It's very difficult to follow you, everytimes you post, everytimes YOUR criteria changes... Before telling me Read MY criteria.. and then respond accordingly"... Try to fix definitely YOUR criteria and accord yourself first...
Ps : Excuse me if I wake up you once again... Zzzzzz....Oh damn! You scared the Stevie out of me! Don't sneak up on a brotha like that as you continue to avoid my question. Now...were you answering my question I posed to you when I asked you to tell me why you said James Brown CREATED FUNK? Oh, my bad. You were avoiding me again. Oh well, back to sleep. Zzzzz... LOL! LOL Once again you're off topic.. You don't respond to my questions... We are talkin about the geniuses and YOUR criteria, and all you can do is bringing back another subject in the conversation... Common.. You're ridiculous how you try to deviate the thread everytimes... But I understand you, in such position and after saying the weakest statements on this board (James Brown is not a genius, MArvin is not a genius...) now your only way out is bringing another subject "Who invented the funk"... This is why you try so hard to avoid my questions... Because you fell very bad and you know it... You don't want to talkin about the subject of this thread no more... If you don't want to talk about the subject of this thread (who are the R&B geniuses, and how define them) it's OK, but don't deviate it all the time, or let this thread down... If you want to talk about who invented the funk, create a new TOPIC... Is that so difficult to understand ?? [Edited 6/8/05 3:00am] | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: I agree but aleast they didn't put Janet Jackson on the list.
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Anxiety said: it's one thing not to include prince, but not to include stevie is just plain silly. weird.
My thoughts exactly. Since seemingly half the people on this site claim Prince isn't really an R&B artist, I can understand the omission, but having Keith Sweat on the list and not Stevie is blatant ignorance. At least they have Luther. I bet if Whitney wasn't coked out she would be on there, too. Looking at the list, the obvious general age range is about 21-27 because of the artists chosen. Prince was on another tip by the time these kids really knew who he was. It also explains the Stevie exclusion. Most of the folks in this age range don't necessarily realize just how many other people on that list Stevie has influenced. Many of these so called "top lists" never span back more than a little over a decade or so from the current charts. This goes for many lists; not just Black Voices. Oh, and to all you R&B bashers who tend to look down on the genre and claim doing other forms as "trancending"and so on -  . Its ALL R&B, bitches! Rock changes once every 25 years or so and when it does, it usually changes because of urban/R&B influences. Funk is R&B and hip hop is R&B based. Electronica, House and dance evolved from R&B. Its ALL R&B! Try that for trancending. R&B is bigger than what many of you think it is. Its not just slow songs.[/color] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Anxiety said: it's one thing not to include prince, but not to include stevie is just plain silly. weird.
My thoughts exactly. Since seemingly half the people on this site claim Prince isn't really an R&B artist, I can understand the omission, but having Keith Sweat on the list and not Stevie is blatant ignorance. At least they have Luther. I bet if Whitney wasn't coked out she would be on there, too. Looking at the list, the obvious general age range is about 21-27 because of the artists chosen. Prince was on another tip by the time these kids really knew who he was. It also explains the Stevie exclusion. Most of the folks in this age range don't necessarily realize just how many other people on that list Stevie has influenced. Many of these so called "top lists" never span back more than a little over a decade or so from the current charts. This goes for many lists; not just Black Voices. Oh, and to all you R&B bashers who tend to look down on the genre and claim doing other forms as "trancending"and so on - . Its ALL R&B, bitches! Rock changes once every 25 years or so and when it does, it usually changes because of urban/R&B influences. Funk is R&B and hip hop is R&B based. Electronica, House and dance evolved from R&B. Its ALL R&B! Try that for trancending. R&B is bigger than what many of you think it is. Its not just slow songs.[/color]----- "Since seemingly half the people on this site claim Prince isn't really an R&B artist" Well we don't want to think about what those people are smoking.(LOL). I am at a point were I don't give a rat's ass what the 20 somethings think When I was in my 20's I certainly knew who Chuck Berry was and I could certain see his contribution to music. This is just ignorance. | |
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laurarichardson said: ----- "Since seemingly half the people on this site claim Prince isn't really an R&B artist" Well we don't want to think about what those people are smoking.(LOL). I am at a point were I don't give a rat's ass what the 20 somethings think When I was in my 20's I certainly knew who Chuck Berry was and I could certain see his contribution to music. This is just ignorance. Yeah, I knew and respected the previous generations' music, too. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case anymore these days.  We live in the VH-1 "I Love The 70s/80s/90s" generation of bashing previous artists and making fun of the clothes, music, etc. without realizing that everything that is liked now is a result of something from the past.
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krayzie said: NeoSoulScribe said: Zzzzzz....Oh damn! You scared the Stevie out of me! Don't sneak up on a brotha like that as you continue to avoid my question. Now...were you answering my question I posed to you when I asked you to tell me why you said James Brown CREATED FUNK? Oh, my bad. You were avoiding me again. Oh well, back to sleep. Zzzzz... LOL! LOL Once again you're off topic.. You don't respond to my questions... We are talkin about the geniuses and YOUR criteria, and all you can do is bringing back another subject in the conversation... Common.. You're ridiculous how you try to deviate the thread everytimes... But I understand you, in such position and after saying the weakest statements on this board (James Brown is not a genius, MArvin is not a genius...) now your only way out is bringing another subject "Who invented the funk"... This is why you try so hard to avoid my questions... Because you fell very bad and you know it... You don't want to talkin about the subject of this thread no more... If you don't want to talk about the subject of this thread (who are the R&B geniuses, and how define them) it's OK, but don't deviate it all the time, or let this thread down... If you want to talk about who invented the funk, create a new TOPIC... Is that so difficult to understand ?? [Edited 6/8/05 3:00am] Zzzzzz....Zzzzzz....Zzzzzz! Hey! Who dat!?! Who woke me up trying to creep outta tellin' me why they said JAMES BROWN INVENTED FUNK?! Let me get my sleep, dammit! Sneaky fools tryin' to disturb my sleep! GET OUT MY HOUSE, LIL FELLA! Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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I forgot to add Quincy Jones to that short list of musical geniuses. Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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NeoSoulScribe said: krayzie said: LOL Once again you're off topic.. You don't respond to my questions... We are talkin about the geniuses and YOUR criteria, and all you can do is bringing back another subject in the conversation... Common.. You're ridiculous how you try to deviate the thread everytimes... But I understand you, in such position and after saying the weakest statements on this board (James Brown is not a genius, MArvin is not a genius...) now your only way out is bringing another subject "Who invented the funk"... This is why you try so hard to avoid my questions... Because you fell very bad and you know it... You don't want to talkin about the subject of this thread no more... If you don't want to talk about the subject of this thread (who are the R&B geniuses, and how define them) it's OK, but don't deviate it all the time, or let this thread down... If you want to talk about who invented the funk, create a new TOPIC... Is that so difficult to understand ?? [Edited 6/8/05 3:00am] Zzzzzz....Zzzzzz....Zzzzzz! Hey! Who dat!?! Who woke me up trying to creep outta tellin' me why they said JAMES BROWN INVENTED FUNK?! Let me get my sleep, dammit! Sneaky fools tryin' to disturb my sleep! GET OUT MY HOUSE, LIL FELLA! ----- Dude take your bullshit over to Okayplayer.com. | |
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laurarichardson said: NeoSoulScribe said: Zzzzzz....Zzzzzz....Zzzzzz! Hey! Who dat!?! Who woke me up trying to creep outta tellin' me why they said JAMES BROWN INVENTED FUNK?! Let me get my sleep, dammit! Sneaky fools tryin' to disturb my sleep! GET OUT MY HOUSE, LIL FELLA! ----- Dude take your bullshit over to Okayplayer.com. Damn, this broad is on her period. Midol, anyone? LOL! Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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BlaqueKnight said: laurarichardson said: ----- "Since seemingly half the people on this site claim Prince isn't really an R&B artist" Well we don't want to think about what those people are smoking.(LOL). I am at a point were I don't give a rat's ass what the 20 somethings think When I was in my 20's I certainly knew who Chuck Berry was and I could certain see his contribution to music. This is just ignorance. Yeah, I knew and respected the previous generations' music, too. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case anymore these days. We live in the VH-1 "I Love The 70s/80s/90s" generation of bashing previous artists and making fun of the clothes, music, etc. without realizing that everything that is liked now is a result of something from the past.
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BlaqueKnight said: Anxiety said: it's one thing not to include prince, but not to include stevie is just plain silly. weird.
My thoughts exactly. Since seemingly half the people on this site claim Prince isn't really an R&B artist, I can understand the omission, but having Keith Sweat on the list and not Stevie is blatant ignorance. At least they have Luther. I bet if Whitney wasn't coked out she would be on there, too. Looking at the list, the obvious general age range is about 21-27 because of the artists chosen. Prince was on another tip by the time these kids really knew who he was. It also explains the Stevie exclusion. Most of the folks in this age range don't necessarily realize just how many other people on that list Stevie has influenced. Many of these so called "top lists" never span back more than a little over a decade or so from the current charts. This goes for many lists; not just Black Voices. Oh, and to all you R&B bashers who tend to look down on the genre and claim doing other forms as "trancending"and so on - . Its ALL R&B, bitches! Rock changes once every 25 years or so and when it does, it usually changes because of urban/R&B influences. Funk is R&B and hip hop is R&B based. Electronica, House and dance evolved from R&B. Its ALL R&B! Try that for trancending. R&B is bigger than what many of you think it is. Its not just slow songs.[/color] Indeed BK. | |
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NeoSoulScribe said: laurarichardson said: ----- Dude take your bullshit over to Okayplayer.com. Damn, this broad is on her period. Midol, anyone? LOL! ----- Well you seem bitchy enough to know about a period. | |
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laurarichardson said: NeoSoulScribe said: Damn, this broad is on her period. Midol, anyone? LOL! ----- Well you seem bitchy enough to know about a period. I just know when a broad is on hers...and yours seems to last just about 5 days, am I right? So, do use the pad with wings? LMAO! Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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BlaqueKnight said: laurarichardson said: ----- "Since seemingly half the people on this site claim Prince isn't really an R&B artist" Well we don't want to think about what those people are smoking.(LOL). I am at a point were I don't give a rat's ass what the 20 somethings think When I was in my 20's I certainly knew who Chuck Berry was and I could certain see his contribution to music. This is just ignorance. Yeah, I knew and respected the previous generations' music, too. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case anymore these days. We live in the VH-1 "I Love The 70s/80s/90s" generation of bashing previous artists and making fun of the clothes, music, etc. without realizing that everything that is liked now is a result of something from the past.
...still trying to figure out how Keith Sweat & genius ended up in the same sentence...?... You know what's ironic about those "I Love" shows? C-listers and nobodies with failing careers populate those shows to mock past celebrities and fads. It gets annoying after awhile. Every decade has music that is enjoyable if for no other reason than to reminisce. Even the 90's. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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