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PrintableRipHer2Shreds said: Y'all are hatin'. Ain't a damn thing wrong with that list.
 ----- If your in your early 20's and never really listened to any RnB before 1990. I guess you would fine this list okay. The fact they think Mary J Blige is a geniuses is disturbing. She is just a singer and not a very good one at that. A genius is a trend setter or a genre maker. A lot of these people on this list are not anywhere near a genise. [Edited 6/1/05 12:18pm] | |
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laurarichardson said: RipHer2Shreds said: Y'all are hatin'. Ain't a damn thing wrong with that list.
----- If your in your early 20's and never really listened to any RnB before 1990. I guess you would fine this list okay. The fact they think Mary J Blige is a geniuses is disturbing. She is just a singer and not a very good one at that. A genius is a trend setter or a genre maker. A lot of these people on this list are not anywhere near a genise. [Edited 6/1/05 12:18pm] Yeah, you missed my second post where I said it was a joke. | |
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This was a calculated attempt to generate publicity and get members to sign up on the website to blast on'em. Pay no attention to this list. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Damn right teddy should be up there. Yeah keith has thown me off too. I guess the age of the voters are in their mid- late 20's? [Edited 6/1/05 17:12pm] | |
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R. Kelly  the rapist[Edited 6/1/05 21:23pm] | |
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This may upset a few people, but there are only 3 R&B musical geniuses:
Stevie Ray Prince Period. We tend to throw the word genius around like it's an everyday occurence. Genius is the highest honor you can bestow upon an artist and some of these people may be great singers or have had successful careers but geniuses they are not. [Edited 6/1/05 21:39pm] Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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That is one stupid ass list. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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meltwithu said: http://bv.channel.aol.com/black_entertainment/chevyurbanaccesshub/rnbgeniusgallery
Luther Vandross 
R. Kelly
Anita Baker 
Mary J. Blige 
D'Angelo
Erykah Badu
Gerald Levert 
Teddy Riley
Babyface
Maxwell
Keith Sweat
even if you just inlude artists still alive...left off the list are Prince Stevie Wonder Michael Jackson Mariah Carey Whitney Houston Patti Labelle Roberta Flack The O'Jays (how the hell you put Gerald before Eddie? )
Aretha Franklin the person who wrote this can't be more than 20 years old! [Edited 6/1/05 10:05am] Whoever made this list is damn IIIGGG'NANT! Jeux Sans Frontiers | |
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meltwithu said: http://bv.channel.aol.com/black_entertainment/chevyurbanaccesshub/rnbgeniusgallery
Luther Vandross
R. Kelly
Anita Baker
Mary J. Blige
D'Angelo
Erykah Badu
Gerald Levert
Teddy Riley
Babyface
Maxwell
Keith Sweat
even if you just inlude artists still alive...left off the list are Prince Stevie Wonder Michael Jackson Mariah Carey Whitney Houston Patti Labelle Roberta Flack The O'Jays (how the hell you put Gerald before Eddie? )
Aretha Franklin the person who wrote this can't be more than 20 years old! [Edited 6/1/05 10:05am] Stupid Teenagers Today!!!  | |
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NeoSoulScribe said: This may upset a few people, but there are only 3 R&B musical geniuses:
Stevie Ray Prince Period. We tend to throw the word genius around like it's an everyday occurence. Genius is the highest honor you can bestow upon an artist and some of these people may be great singers or have had successful careers but geniuses they are not. [Edited 6/1/05 21:39pm] WTF you talkin about ?? Saying there are only 3 R&B geniuses is the most ignorant thing I never heard... Plus Prince isn't as genius as Ray and Stevie are... But If I have to choose who's the greatest genius of Black Music, Stevie definitely wins so far... Nobody can't touch him...  [Edited 6/1/05 22:52pm] |
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krayzie said: But If I have to choose who's the greatest genius of Black Music, Stevie definitely wins so far... Nobody can't touch him...
as far as R&B and Soul: Stevie, I agree. But if you talk about "Black Music" in general, Duke Ellington is probably the one Vanglorious... this is protected by the red, the black, and the green. With a key... sissy! | |
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Dancelot said: krayzie said: But If I have to choose who's the greatest genius of Black Music, Stevie definitely wins so far... Nobody can't touch him...
as far as R&B and Soul: Stevie, I agree. But if you talk about "Black Music" in general, Duke Ellington is probably the one Hard to argue with that. But one can define genius so many ways. From a vocal standpoint, Al Green is a pure genius of soul. His records sound sanctified, as if he's on another level . . . he can rock you and take you to church on the same durn song! Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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meltwithu said: Prince Stevie Wonder Michael Jackson Mariah Carey Whitney Houston Patti Labelle Roberta Flack The O'Jays (how the hell you put Gerald before Eddie? )
Aretha Franklin Not R&B in the modern sense. | |
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Novabreaker said: meltwithu said: Prince Stevie Wonder Michael Jackson Mariah Carey Whitney Houston Patti Labelle Roberta Flack The O'Jays (how the hell you put Gerald before Eddie? )
Aretha Franklin Not R&B in the modern sense. Neither is Luther Vandross or Anita Baker. The list is just ridiculous. | |
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krayzie said: NeoSoulScribe said: This may upset a few people, but there are only 3 R&B musical geniuses:
Stevie Ray Prince Period. We tend to throw the word genius around like it's an everyday occurence. Genius is the highest honor you can bestow upon an artist and some of these people may be great singers or have had successful careers but geniuses they are not. [Edited 6/1/05 21:39pm] WTF you talkin about ?? Saying there are only 3 R&B geniuses is the most ignorant thing I never heard... Plus Prince isn't as genius as Ray and Stevie are... But If I have to choose who's the greatest genius of Black Music, Stevie definitely wins so far... Nobody can't touch him...
[Edited 6/1/05 22:52pm] Cool. Since you know the definition of "genius," name the other R&B geniuses, little fella. Can you? And if Prince isn't as genius as Ray and Stevie, what makes Ray and Stevie SO MUCH a genius over Prince? Prince's musical output, mastered instrumentation, and feel for music ranks him RIGHT NEXT TO THOSE TO DUDES. Now, maybe YOU need to learn what GENIUS is before you respond. Ya heard? Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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NeoSoulScribe said: krayzie said: WTF you talkin about ?? Saying there are only 3 R&B geniuses is the most ignorant thing I never heard... Plus Prince isn't as genius as Ray and Stevie are... But If I have to choose who's the greatest genius of Black Music, Stevie definitely wins so far... Nobody can't touch him...
[Edited 6/1/05 22:52pm] Cool. Since you know the definition of "genius," name the other R&B geniuses, little fella. Can you? And if Prince isn't as genius as Ray and Stevie, what makes Ray and Stevie SO MUCH a genius over Prince? Prince's musical output, mastered instrumentation, and feel for music ranks him RIGHT NEXT TO THOSE TO DUDES. Now, maybe YOU need to learn what GENIUS is before you respond. Ya heard? I love Prince is the last greatest genius I never seen.. But, can you really compare Prince to Stevie ??? I hate to compare them, because they are so different... But, you got to never forget that Stevie is a BLIND multi-instrumentist who can write and play all the instrument HIMSELF !!!... How can you compare a man (Prince) with someonelse who suffers of A BIG handicap !! This is the biggest amazing talent I've never seen... Plus he wrote and composed the greatest songs, with some very strong and powerfull lyrics that influenced the consciousness of millions people... Prince is NO WAY close to that... I love Prince but Stevie is more than that... Stevie is more "genius" than him..sorry |
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krayzie said: NeoSoulScribe said: Cool. Since you know the definition of "genius," name the other R&B geniuses, little fella. Can you? And if Prince isn't as genius as Ray and Stevie, what makes Ray and Stevie SO MUCH a genius over Prince? Prince's musical output, mastered instrumentation, and feel for music ranks him RIGHT NEXT TO THOSE TO DUDES. Now, maybe YOU need to learn what GENIUS is before you respond. Ya heard? I love Prince is the last greatest genius I never seen.. But, can you really compare Prince to Stevie ??? I hate to compare them, because they are so different... But, you got to never forget that Stevie is a BLIND multi-instrumentist who can write and play all the instrument HIMSELF !!!... How can you compare a man (Prince) with someonelse who suffers of A BIG handicap !! This is the biggest amazing talent I've never seen... Plus he wrote and composed the greatest songs, with some very strong and powerfull lyrics that influenced the consciousness of millions people... Prince is NO WAY close to that... I love Prince but Stevie is more than that... Stevie is more "genius" than him..sorry So, YOU'RE saying that the ONLY way to be a "MUSICAL GENIUS" is to be HANDICAPPED AND TALENTED AT THE SAME TIME? Explain. And where did I say one was more or less of a genius than the other? You're avatar is showin', bro. Chill. Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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krayzie said: NeoSoulScribe said: Cool. Since you know the definition of "genius," name the other R&B geniuses, little fella. Can you? And if Prince isn't as genius as Ray and Stevie, what makes Ray and Stevie SO MUCH a genius over Prince? Prince's musical output, mastered instrumentation, and feel for music ranks him RIGHT NEXT TO THOSE TO DUDES. Now, maybe YOU need to learn what GENIUS is before you respond. Ya heard? I love Prince is the last greatest genius I never seen.. But, can you really compare Prince to Stevie ??? I hate to compare them, because they are so different... But, you got to never forget that Stevie is a BLIND multi-instrumentist who can write and play all the instrument HIMSELF !!!... How can you compare a man (Prince) with someonelse who suffers of A BIG handicap !! This is the biggest amazing talent I've never seen... Plus he wrote and composed the greatest songs, with some very strong and powerfull lyrics that influenced the consciousness of millions people... Prince is NO WAY close to that... I love Prince but Stevie is more than that... Stevie is more "genius" than him..sorry I'm gonna have to disagree with you there my friend. I love Stevie as much as the next person but to state that he is the absolute genius of Soul music is greatly flawed. First of all you cannot rank genius. What you consider the best may be number two to someone else. I'm a HUGE Stevie Wonder fan and I think his 1970s run is one of the best in the history of music. However, I do not find his music as challenging as some other artists that's why he's not my all time favorite musician. I prefer instead to call the few in that small category geniuses because each was unique at what they did and they changed music forever. Sly Stone was on Stevie and Prince's level and Sly arguably had a bigger impact on music but I don't see him listed in your post. 2nd and final argument is that ranking someone ahead of another simply because of a handicap is flawed too. You give him credit for the handicap and the brilliance he is able to achieve with it but to say he is better or more genius than Prince because of it is terribly flawed. There are only a handful of genius artists in all walks of music, and even fewer in popular music. Prince and Stevie Wonder are on that list with Sly, Marvin, George Clinton, Hendrix, Ray Charles, James Brown, Al Green, Joni Mitchell, Carlos Santana, Lennon/McCartney, Miles Davis etc. I just think that each musician brought something new to the music scene and changed the face of music altogether. Ranking people is pointless because art is subjective and you cannot truly declare a winner. I think Wonder and Mr. Nelson would tell you the same. [Edited 6/3/05 19:05pm] | |
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NeoSoulScribe said: krayzie said: I love Prince is the last greatest genius I never seen.. But, can you really compare Prince to Stevie ??? I hate to compare them, because they are so different... But, you got to never forget that Stevie is a BLIND multi-instrumentist who can write and play all the instrument HIMSELF !!!... How can you compare a man (Prince) with someonelse who suffers of A BIG handicap !! This is the biggest amazing talent I've never seen... Plus he wrote and composed the greatest songs, with some very strong and powerfull lyrics that influenced the consciousness of millions people... Prince is NO WAY close to that... I love Prince but Stevie is more than that... Stevie is more "genius" than him..sorry So, YOU'RE saying that the ONLY way to be a "MUSICAL GENIUS" is to be HANDICAPPED AND TALENTED AT THE SAME TIME? Explain. And where did I say one was more or less of a genius than the other? You're avatar is showin', bro. Chill. No, the reason why I critic you is the fact that you said "there are only 3 R&B musical geniuses RAy, Stevie and Prince"... And I totally disagree with that. And like I said before there are way more geniuses than Ray, Stevie and Prince : What about James Brown, Sly Stone, Marvin Gaye, Jimi Hendrix, Duke Ellington etc... Plus I NEVER said that you HAve to be handicaped to be be considered as genius, wtf you talkin about...lol But you got to admit that it's WAY more difficult to be a multi instrumentist when you have a BIG handicap like the blindness... And I think (it's only my point of view) that Stevie is a way better composer/songwritter than Prince... |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: krayzie said: I love Prince is the last greatest genius I never seen.. But, can you really compare Prince to Stevie ??? I hate to compare them, because they are so different... But, you got to never forget that Stevie is a BLIND multi-instrumentist who can write and play all the instrument HIMSELF !!!... How can you compare a man (Prince) with someonelse who suffers of A BIG handicap !! This is the biggest amazing talent I've never seen... Plus he wrote and composed the greatest songs, with some very strong and powerfull lyrics that influenced the consciousness of millions people... Prince is NO WAY close to that... I love Prince but Stevie is more than that... Stevie is more "genius" than him..sorry I'm gonna have to disagree with you there my friend. I love Stevie as much as the next person but to state that he is the absolute genius of Soul music is greatly flawed. First of all you cannot rank genius. What you consider the best may be number two to someone else. I'm a HUGE Stevie Wonder fan and I think his 1970s run is one of the best in the history of music. However, I do not find his music as challenging as some other artists that's why he's not my all time favorite musician. I prefer instead to call the few in that small category geniuses because each was unique at what they did and they changed music forever. Sly Stone was on Stevie and Prince's level and Sly arguably had a bigger impact on music but I don't see him listed in your post. 2nd and final argument is that ranking someone ahead of another simply because of a handicap is flawed too. You give him credit for the handicap and the brilliance he is able to achieve with it but to say he is better or more genius than Prince because of it is terribly flawed. There are only a handful of genius artists in all walks of music, and even fewer in popular music. Prince and Stevie Wonder are on that list with Sly, Marvin, George Clinton, Hendrix, Ray Charles, James Brown, Al Green, Joni Mitchell, Carlos Santana, Lennon/McCartney, Miles Davis etc. I just think that each musician brought something new to the music scene and changed the face of music altogether. Ranking people is pointless because art is subjective and you cannot truly declare a winner. I think Wonder and Mr. Nelson would tell you the same.
[Edited 6/3/05 19:05pm] I think you are a little bit off topic man... We talkin about R&B geniuses, so why you talkin about Santana or Lennon ?? Plus I'm not subjective, you don't have to be a fan of someonelse to reconignize his talent or his genius... Once again I NEVER said Stevie is more talented than Prince because his handicaped, BUT YOU CAN'T DENY THE FACT THAT CREATING, COMPOSING AND PLAYING MUSIC WHEN YOU ARE BLIND IS WAY MORE DIFFICULT ??? I don't love Stevie because is "blind", I am first of all impressed by the quality of his songs and his own compositions, and his singing ability...(And I don't talking about his instrumentalist ability) Plus his music has had a bigger impact because of his political messages than influenced the consciousness of millions people... |
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krayzie said: DorothyParkerWasCool said: I'm gonna have to disagree with you there my friend. I love Stevie as much as the next person but to state that he is the absolute genius of Soul music is greatly flawed. First of all you cannot rank genius. What you consider the best may be number two to someone else. I'm a HUGE Stevie Wonder fan and I think his 1970s run is one of the best in the history of music. However, I do not find his music as challenging as some other artists that's why he's not my all time favorite musician. I prefer instead to call the few in that small category geniuses because each was unique at what they did and they changed music forever. Sly Stone was on Stevie and Prince's level and Sly arguably had a bigger impact on music but I don't see him listed in your post. 2nd and final argument is that ranking someone ahead of another simply because of a handicap is flawed too. You give him credit for the handicap and the brilliance he is able to achieve with it but to say he is better or more genius than Prince because of it is terribly flawed. There are only a handful of genius artists in all walks of music, and even fewer in popular music. Prince and Stevie Wonder are on that list with Sly, Marvin, George Clinton, Hendrix, Ray Charles, James Brown, Al Green, Joni Mitchell, Carlos Santana, Lennon/McCartney, Miles Davis etc. I just think that each musician brought something new to the music scene and changed the face of music altogether. Ranking people is pointless because art is subjective and you cannot truly declare a winner. I think Wonder and Mr. Nelson would tell you the same.
[Edited 6/3/05 19:05pm] I think you are a little bit off topic man... We talkin about R&B geniuses, so why you talkin about Santana or Lennon ?? Plus I'm not subjective, you don't have to be a fan of someonelse to reconignize his talent or his genius... Once again I NEVER said Stevie is more talented than Prince because his handicaped, BUT YOU CAN'T DENY THE FACT THAT CREATING, COMPOSING AND PLAYING MUSIC WHEN YOU ARE BLIND IS WAY MORE DIFFICULT ??? I don't love Stevie because is "blind", I am first of all impressed by the quality of his songs and his own compositions, and his singing ability...(And I don't talking about his instrumentalist ability) Plus his music has had a bigger impact because of his political messages than influenced the consciousness of millions people... If you READ for content my examples of Lennon and Santana, referenced the few geniuses in popular music not limited to R&B. Recognizing someone as genius is one thing, but saying that their skills make them more of a geinus than someone else is subjective. Because what you consider the best, someone else may consider second best. Not saying that they are not genius its just that someone elses genius may speak to someone in a different way. Stevie Wonder's music was genius and it did speak to a great deal of people. However, so did Prince's along with countless other people. Obviously Prince's genius has affected many or we wouldn't be wasting time on this site. Furthermore, Prince opened the minds of many by singing about a world without racial and or gender limitations. His lyrics showed a vulnerability that was rarely heard in popular music, especially by a black man. Also, he showed that men, especially black men, did not have to be these ultramacho sterotypes that society loves to perpetuate. I will also add that Prince's music is more eclectic than Wonder's because he combines elements that Wonder never included. Prince has a rock edge that Stevie doesn't have. Prince combined many more elements and influences in his sound that makes his catalog more versatile IMHO. However, that doesn't make one more genius than the other, they are just different. I think you are misunderstanding the point. I took issue when you said that someone is more genius than another because their music spoke to you in a different way. I love Stevie and I think he's the consummate musican, but I prefer Prince. However, I see them both as genius musicians that changed the face of popular music. More of a 1 and 1a, like many other greats. [Edited 6/4/05 8:59am] | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: If you READ for content my examples of Lennon and Santana, referenced the few geniuses in popular music not limited to R&B. Recognizing someone as genius is one thing, but saying that their skills make them more of a geinus than someone else is subjective. Because what you consider the best, someone else may consider second best. Not saying that they are not genius its just that someone elses genius may speak to someone in a different way. Stevie Wonder's music was genius and it did speak to a great deal of people. However, so did Prince's along with countless other people. Obviously Prince's genius has affected many or we wouldn't be wasting time on this site. Furthermore, Prince opened the minds of many by singing about a world without racial and or gender limitations. His lyrics showed a vulnerability that was rarely heard in popular music, especially by a black man. Also, he showed that men, especially black men, did not have to be these ultramacho sterotypes that society loves to perpetuate. I will also add that Prince's music is more eclectic than Wonder's because he combines elements that Wonder never included. Prince has a rock edge that Stevie doesn't have. Prince combined many more elements and influences in his sound that makes his catalog more versatile IMHO. However, that doesn't make one more genius than the other, they are just different. I think you are misunderstanding the point. I took issue when you said that someone is more genius than another because their music spoke to you in a different way. I love Stevie and I think he's the consummate musican, but I prefer Prince. However, I see them both as genius musicians that changed the face of popular music. More of a 1 and 1a, like many other greats.[/color] [Edited 6/4/05 8:59am] First of all I never limited Geniuses to R2B, the subject of the topic is "AOL Black voices lists their 11 R&B "geniuses" of all time ".. So WHY YOU talkin about Lennon and Santana ?? Plus you said my point of view is subjective BUT WHAT ABOUT YOURS, WTF, you try to convince me that Prince is more eclectic and more versatile than Stevie, and so WHAT ?? ATWIAD is very eclectic, does it mean it's a great album ?? NO... Go listen to "Journey Through The Secret Life Of Plants," if you want something eclectic and different... I don't remember Prince doing an album as eclectic as that... You can't criticize me for being subjective when your arguments are "he showed that men, especially black men, did not have to be these ultramacho" or "he opened the minds of many by singing about a world without racial and or gender limitations" ... Prince isn't the first to be feminine, Little Richard was way before Prince the first black artist to be ultra feminine... SPlus ly was the first to have a multi racial band way before Prince and the first to open minds... I love Prince (this is why I'm an orger) but to me if you have to choose one genius in R&B, I'll say Stevie... Not because he's my favorite artist, but because I don't see another artist being as prodigious and powerfull as Stevie was... As a singer, as a multi isntrumentlist, as a composer/songwritter, as a humanist and a political Icon... An American Icon... If you disagree with me it's your choice and I respect that... [Edited 6/4/05 12:04pm] |
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krayzie said: DorothyParkerWasCool said: If you READ for content my examples of Lennon and Santana, referenced the few geniuses in popular music not limited to R&B. Recognizing someone as genius is one thing, but saying that their skills make them more of a geinus than someone else is subjective. Because what you consider the best, someone else may consider second best. Not saying that they are not genius its just that someone elses genius may speak to someone in a different way. Stevie Wonder's music was genius and it did speak to a great deal of people. However, so did Prince's along with countless other people. Obviously Prince's genius has affected many or we wouldn't be wasting time on this site. Furthermore, Prince opened the minds of many by singing about a world without racial and or gender limitations. His lyrics showed a vulnerability that was rarely heard in popular music, especially by a black man. Also, he showed that men, especially black men, did not have to be these ultramacho sterotypes that society loves to perpetuate. I will also add that Prince's music is more eclectic than Wonder's because he combines elements that Wonder never included. Prince has a rock edge that Stevie doesn't have. Prince combined many more elements and influences in his sound that makes his catalog more versatile IMHO. However, that doesn't make one more genius than the other, they are just different. I think you are misunderstanding the point. I took issue when you said that someone is more genius than another because their music spoke to you in a different way. I love Stevie and I think he's the consummate musican, but I prefer Prince. However, I see them both as genius musicians that changed the face of popular music. More of a 1 and 1a, like many other greats.[/color] [Edited 6/4/05 8:59am] First of all I never limited Geniuses to R2B, the subject of the topic is "AOL Black voices lists their 11 R&B "geniuses" of all time ".. So WHY YOU talkin about Lennon and Santana ?? Plus you said my point of view is subjective BUT WHAT ABOUT YOURS, WTF, you try to convince me that Prince is more eclectic and more versatile than Stevie, and so WHAT ?? ATWIAD is very eclectic, does it mean it's a great album ?? NO... Go listen to "Journey Through The Secret Life Of Plants," if you want something eclectic and different... I don't remember Prince doing an album as eclectic as that... You can't criticize me for being subjective when your arguments are "he showed that men, especially black men, did not have to be these ultramacho" or "he opened the minds of many by singing about a world without racial and or gender limitations" ... Prince isn't the first to be feminine, Little Richard was way before Prince the first black artist to be ultra feminine... SPlus ly was the first to have a multi racial band way before Prince and the first to open minds... I love Prince (this is why I'm an orger) but to me if you have to choose one genius in R&B, I'll say Stevie... Not because he's my favorite artist, but because I don't see another artist being as prodigious and powerfull as Stevie was... As a singer, as a multi isntrumentlist, as a composer/songwritter, as a humanist and a political Icon... An American Icon... If you disagree with me it's your choice and I respect that... [Edited 6/4/05 12:04pm] First let me comment on the part of your post I have in bold. Obviously I know Sly Stone was the first to have an interracial band if I referenced him in my initial post about R&B geniuses. Do you remember reading his name there in my comment about his impact being arguably the greatest on music in the 1970s? In reference to the Little Richard comment, Little Richard was feminine, but his lyrics did not challenge the rigid gender lines as explicitly as Prince's did. Give me examples of songs with lyrics as brilliant as If I Was Your Girlfriend and I will shut up. Furthermore, bell hooks, the noted author, college professor and social commentator has broken down Prince's importance to the mainstream and the role of black men in American society. I suggest you read it because maybe you will gain more appreciation for the steps Prince was taking and the ground he broke in the industry. Hell she even analyzes his lyrics in her English classes at The City College of New York, and asks her students what perspective he was writing from male/female or if the songs are genderless or combine traits of both genders. If thats not a social impact I don't know what is. But I digress. I will just say this and I'm not trying to be rude, but you do not comprehend what you read. I seriously think you took everything I said out of context even though I spelled it out for you. I never tried to convince you that Prince was more talented, I just gave the reasons why I like him better than Stevie. The comments about Lennon Santana etc, were in regards to the statement I made about the handful of genius musicians in all forms of music. (Hence the start of a new paragraph about the other musicians I named) I was not saying that u weren't looking outside the soul genre, I was just including a few names in relation to a point I was making. I think you really need to stop getting defensive when someone offers a differing opinion because I never attacked anything you were saying. I was just stating a preference just like you are. My point was that saying someone is more genius than another is flawed because genius is genius and what you favor is subjective. That was my point man, damn how hard is that to understand? It's really frustrating when people have no reading comprehension skills. Word of advice, when you read something, process it all the way through before you begin typing a reply because you are arguing something that has nothing to do with my initial post. I'm done [Edited 6/4/05 14:11pm] | |
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There´s no way to have this list without Prince, MJ and James Brown. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: There are only a handful of genius artists in all walks of music, and even fewer in popular music. Prince and Stevie Wonder are on that list with Sly, Marvin, George Clinton, Hendrix, Ray Charles, James Brown, Al Green, Joni Mitchell, Carlos Santana, Lennon/McCartney, Miles Davis etc.
Now THAT list makes sense. Black Voices can kiss my black ass. |
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krayzie said: NeoSoulScribe said: So, YOU'RE saying that the ONLY way to be a "MUSICAL GENIUS" is to be HANDICAPPED AND TALENTED AT THE SAME TIME? Explain. And where did I say one was more or less of a genius than the other? You're avatar is showin', bro. Chill. No, the reason why I critic you is the fact that you said "there are only 3 R&B musical geniuses RAy, Stevie and Prince"... And I totally disagree with that. And like I said before there are way more geniuses than Ray, Stevie and Prince : What about James Brown, Sly Stone, Marvin Gaye, Jimi Hendrix, Duke Ellington etc... Plus I NEVER said that you HAve to be handicaped to be be considered as genius, wtf you talkin about...lol But you got to admit that it's WAY more difficult to be a multi instrumentist when you have a BIG handicap like the blindness... And I think (it's only my point of view) that Stevie is a way better composer/songwritter than Prince... LOL! You're funny, bro. James and Marvin I wouldn't call 'geniuses'...and maybe not Sly. When I think of MUSICAL GENIUS I think of someone encompassing ALL of mucis: Singing, writing, composing, instrumentation, output. Ray, Prince, and Stevie are the only ones that fit that criteria. Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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NeoSoulScribe said: krayzie said: No, the reason why I critic you is the fact that you said "there are only 3 R&B musical geniuses RAy, Stevie and Prince"... And I totally disagree with that. And like I said before there are way more geniuses than Ray, Stevie and Prince : What about James Brown, Sly Stone, Marvin Gaye, Jimi Hendrix, Duke Ellington etc... Plus I NEVER said that you HAve to be handicaped to be be considered as genius, wtf you talkin about...lol But you got to admit that it's WAY more difficult to be a multi instrumentist when you have a BIG handicap like the blindness... And I think (it's only my point of view) that Stevie is a way better composer/songwritter than Prince... LOL! You're funny, bro. James and Marvin I wouldn't call 'geniuses'...and maybe not Sly. When I think of MUSICAL GENIUS I think of someone encompassing ALL of mucis: Singing, writing, composing, instrumentation, output. Ray, Prince, and Stevie are the only ones that fit that criteria. Does that not also describe Marvin? | |
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VoicesCarry said: NeoSoulScribe said: LOL! You're funny, bro. James and Marvin I wouldn't call 'geniuses'...and maybe not Sly. When I think of MUSICAL GENIUS I think of someone encompassing ALL of mucis: Singing, writing, composing, instrumentation, output. Ray, Prince, and Stevie are the only ones that fit that criteria. Does that not also describe Marvin? I'm not aware of Marvin's instrumental capabilities. If he has them, hip me to the scene. Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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NeoSoulScribe said: VoicesCarry said: Does that not also describe Marvin? I'm not aware of Marvin's instrumental capabilities. If he has them, hip me to the scene. Marvin was initially hired as a session drummer for Motown, where he played on many early Smokey Robinson/Miracles and Stevie Wonder hits. He also played drums and the piano on many of his own recordings, and occasionally dabbled in keys, percussion and ARP synthesizer. He could also play guitar and organ, although he didn't often do so on tape. He was a writer, producer, arranger, and mixer. Oh, and by your criteria, Smokey Robinson is also a genius. So are many others. [Edited 6/5/05 10:23am] | |
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