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Invincible-WAY underappreciated To continue along with the "Bad" thread I would like to say that excluding songs like "The Lost Children" and a few others, Invincible is some of Mike's best vocal work as well as his synth and drum programming work.
Check the grooves and percussion tracks on 2000 Watts and Invincible, not to mention his harmonies and soul in "Heaven Can Wait" as well as his demented, gothic lyrics in "Threatened" The beats on this album rock so hard, you HAVE to dance to it. I never understood why it got so much crap, especially with great atmopheric tunes like "Break of Dawn" | |
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I like Invincible too. The first 3 tracks sound too similar though, with the rap in the middle of all of them.
Otherwise the album contains some of his best ballads " Break of Dawn, Speechless, You are My Life, and Cry." Privacy was a little too much HIStory flavored.... Whatever Happens with Santana is sadly a lost gem which should have been a single. And "Threatened" is great too, but it's no "Thriller" Overall, i think this album is underappreciated, though i don't think the sales were too shabby. | |
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jayaredee said: I like Invincible too. The first 3 tracks sound too similar though, with the rap in the middle of all of them.
Otherwise the album contains some of his best ballads " Break of Dawn, Speechless, You are My Life, and Cry." Privacy was a little too much HIStory flavored.... Whatever Happens with Santana is sadly a lost gem which should have been a single. And "Threatened" is great too, but it's no "Thriller" Overall, i think this album is underappreciated, though i don't think the sales were too shabby. I believe it was more appreciated than HIStory, the MOST underappreciated MJ album. It sold 6 million worldwide I believe this album did, yeah? 2 Million in the U.S. I believe. You should add "Shout" to that list which was much better than 2000 Watts, but int he same vein. His rap-lyric ability is on FIRE! . I put Shout on my own version of invincible instead of 2000 Watts and took Cry off also... Threatened was HOTT. HOW in the hell did he get that narrator to mishmash and say what he wanted him to? He must have taken alot of reasearch to make that one line up. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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I liked it at the time, but it definitely didn't stand the test of time. By the summer after it was released, the album already sounded well behind the trends.
The beginning of Privacy makes me wish I was deaf, also... "Mommy, mommy, look! It's Michael Jackson"  I'm the first mammal to wear pants. | |
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I agree that the first 3 songs are all too similar especially since the all follow one another (and a bit busy for my tastes).
Privacy, You Are My Life, Threatened, 2000 Watts all sound dated or out of place to me. I give Threatened props for the editing tho. Heaven Can Wait is crazy! The bass line reminds me a bit of I Can't Help It. I ALWAYS forget about Don't Walk Away but it's nice little filler song. 11 or 12 tracks would have been fine to make it cohesive. Of course I would have probably complained after waiting for 5-6 years that it was too short but in the end sometimes less is more--quality not quantity. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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Er..No.
'Irrelevant' would have been a much better title.  ...Your coochie gonna swell up and fall apart... | |
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Aside from 2 or 3 tunes, I simply didn't enjoy it. | |
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Only two songs I don't care for. The rest is dandy. The ballads are super dandy. | |
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I wish I could agree that it's underappreciated, but like Axchi said, by the summer after it was released, it already sounded totally dated, and for supposedly the most expensively produced album of all time, it sounds awfully underproduced and lackluster.. or maybe it's just me. 
His trend-chasing was also getting way out-of-hand, his vocals, except for when he actually SINGS ("Butterflies"=  ), were annoyingly old-hat, and most of the subject matter, to me, felt like beating dead horses. And "Heaven Can Wait"? It's fine (if dated) until MJ starts that awful screaming (and when combined with that incompetent female back-up vocalist.. ) | |
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squiddyren said: I wish I could agree that it's underappreciated, but like Axchi said, by the summer after it was released, it already sounded totally dated, and for supposedly the most expensively produced album of all time, it sounds awfully underproduced and lackluster.. or maybe it's just me.
His trend-chasing was also getting way out-of-hand, his vocals, except for when he actually SINGS ("Butterflies"= ), were annoyingly old-hat, and most of the subject matter, to me, felt like beating dead horses. And "Heaven Can Wait"? It's fine (if dated) until MJ starts that awful screaming (and when combined with that incompetent female back-up vocalist.. )wasnt that brandy??? | |
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dazzjped said: squiddyren said: I wish I could agree that it's underappreciated, but like Axchi said, by the summer after it was released, it already sounded totally dated, and for supposedly the most expensively produced album of all time, it sounds awfully underproduced and lackluster.. or maybe it's just me.
His trend-chasing was also getting way out-of-hand, his vocals, except for when he actually SINGS ("Butterflies"= ), were annoyingly old-hat, and most of the subject matter, to me, felt like beating dead horses. And "Heaven Can Wait"? It's fine (if dated) until MJ starts that awful screaming (and when combined with that incompetent female back-up vocalist.. )wasnt that brandy??? No, Brandy sang backup on the song "Unbreakable" | |
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squiddyren said: I wish I could agree that it's underappreciated, but like Axchi said, by the summer after it was released, it already sounded totally dated, and for supposedly the most expensively produced album of all time, it sounds awfully underproduced and lackluster.. or maybe it's just me.
His trend-chasing was also getting way out-of-hand, his vocals, except for when he actually SINGS ("Butterflies"= ), were annoyingly old-hat, and most of the subject matter, to me, felt like beating dead horses. And "Heaven Can Wait"? It's fine (if dated) until MJ starts that awful screaming (and when combined with that incompetent female back-up vocalist.. )U kidding? I say the first 3 tracks (which are the best on there) havn't dated at all. So michael didn't go for midtempo zzzz filllers like the neptunes do. Good 4 him. "heartbreaker" is edgy, and the middle 8 is one of the best I have ever heard. I love the synth noises at the end too. "threatened" is typical mj as are the first 3 "revenge" cuts. They r pure jacko which is why I love them. Some of the other tracks are average though. "you are my life" is a weak version of the much better and underappreciated "on the line". I can swallow "the lost children". I like the middle 8. Maybe he wrote it for "hook"  | |
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"Invincible" was largely forgettable, IMO. You had a few standout cuts, but he's done way better. If people overlook it, figures. | |
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I really feel that the album was Michael's way of trying to come back to the urban R&B territory, returning to the Dangerous formula. Most of the tracks were pretty awesome, but some were just horrible. Some of them also sounded a little like they were remixed. If he just didn't try to overproduce it and letting his ego get in the way by saying "it's the most expensive album of all-time" hundreds and hundreds of times, I think it would've been more of a successful album. I remember playing the album on my personal CD player numerous of times back in 2001 and I think of it as a average record that is better than most of the HIStory material he did back in '95. [Edited 6/1/05 18:00pm] Check me out and add me on:
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silverchild said: I really feel that the album was Michael's way of trying to come back to the urban R&B territory, returning to the Dangerous formula. Most of the tracks were pretty awesome, but some were just horrible. Some of them also sounded a little like they were remixed. If he just didn't try to overproduce it and letting his ego get in the way by saying "it's the most expensive album of all-time" hundreds and hundreds of times, I think it would've been more of a successful album. I remember playing the album on my personal CD player numerous of times back in 2001 and I think of it as a average record that is better than most of the HIStory material he did back in '95.
[Edited 6/1/05 18:00pm] I dont like "history" much. Too much self pitying. But that was personal though. Invinible is possibally the slickest and most polished album ever. Which is why I love some of it. Shame no gospel "keep the fiath" like tracks are on there. I miss those sorta tracks. | |
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thesexofit said: silverchild said: I really feel that the album was Michael's way of trying to come back to the urban R&B territory, returning to the Dangerous formula. Most of the tracks were pretty awesome, but some were just horrible. Some of them also sounded a little like they were remixed. If he just didn't try to overproduce it and letting his ego get in the way by saying "it's the most expensive album of all-time" hundreds and hundreds of times, I think it would've been more of a successful album. I remember playing the album on my personal CD player numerous of times back in 2001 and I think of it as a average record that is better than most of the HIStory material he did back in '95.
[Edited 6/1/05 18:00pm] I dont like "history" much. Too much self pitying. But that was personal though. Invinible is possibally the slickest and most polished album ever. Which is why I love some of it. Shame no gospel "keep the fiath" like tracks are on there. I miss those sorta tracks. I've listening to the HIStory album for some time now and yes, it sounds self-indulgent and pity--but some of the material was good, not really excellent. It is the best example of an artist's ego growing and becoming admired. I mean, look at the album cover. Check me out and add me on:
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silverchild said: thesexofit said: I dont like "history" much. Too much self pitying. But that was personal though. Invinible is possibally the slickest and most polished album ever. Which is why I love some of it. Shame no gospel "keep the fiath" like tracks are on there. I miss those sorta tracks. I've listening to the HIStory album for some time now and yes, it sounds self-indulgent and pity--but some of the material was good, not really excellent. It is the best example of an artist's ego growing and becoming admired. I mean, look at the album cover.  The most mj sounding song is "2 bad". A song that seems to be tossed off as cliche by many. All those sorta mj tracks ar cliche (as are the media bashing ones now), but its al in the production and melody, not the lyrics. Plus shaq has the slowest rap in a song ever, considering its a fast(ish) song.
I love "2 bad". | |
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thesexofit said: silverchild said: I've listening to the HIStory album for some time now and yes, it sounds self-indulgent and pity--but some of the material was good, not really excellent. It is the best example of an artist's ego growing and becoming admired. I mean, look at the album cover. The most mj sounding song is "2 bad". A song that seems to be tossed off as cliche by many. All those sorta mj tracks ar cliche (as are the media bashing ones now), but its al in the production and melody, not the lyrics. Plus shaq has the slowest rap in a song ever, considering its a fast(ish) song.
I love "2 bad". Michael just about sucks at rap. I don't know why he used Biggie's raps on both the HIStory and Invincible album. Strange?! Check me out and add me on:
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silverchild said: thesexofit said: The most mj sounding song is "2 bad". A song that seems to be tossed off as cliche by many. All those sorta mj tracks ar cliche (as are the media bashing ones now), but its al in the production and melody, not the lyrics. Plus shaq has the slowest rap in a song ever, considering its a fast(ish) song.
I love "2 bad". Michael just about sucks at rap. I don't know why he used Biggie's raps on both the HIStory and Invincible album. Strange?! I understand why he used biggie on "this time around", but why "unbreakable"? I like it though. jacko got some unknown for the tracks "invincible" and "heartbreaker". He does the job good enough, and Iam surprised he didn't get in a famous guest. Every other artist would have done? Why MJ chose not to is kinda odd? | |
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i initially thought invincible was a strong album but the past few times i've listened to it i skipped about half of the tracks. the good tracks are very good but they all sound the same (except for 2000 watts). the cd lacks variety as far as its sound goes. i like it but its definitely my least favorite mj record. | |
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I looooove Heaven can wait. Have you ever guys tried to sleep to it. Ah - pure heaven!!! "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: I looooove Heaven can wait. Have you ever guys tried to sleep to it. Ah - pure heaven!!!
Break Of Dawn too 
I feel this album was a better ender than History but not a better beginner. Scream They Dont Care About Us Stranger In Moscow to Unbreakable Heartbreaker Invincible Why did he have to end with Little Suzie and Smile??? I would've preferred them as bonus single tracks and ended off with HIStory instead. But hey, every MJ track is a blessing to hear to me. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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Why did he have to end with Little Suzie and Smile??? I would've preferred them as bonus single tracks and ended off with HIStory instead.
yeah, History would be a nice end, but I´d miss Little Susie and Smile. They´re a bit depressing and one has to be in mood to listen to them, bt once you are in that mood, there´s nothing like it. Whenever I am down and listen to Smile I have a smile on my face afterwards. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Smile is a beautiful song, it doesn't depress me at all. Mike's vocal is beautiful, too. | |
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Cloudbuster said: Smile is a beautiful song, it doesn't depress me at all. Mike's vocal is beautiful, too.
Sounds like he wants to cry at the end of it. I do have to be in the mood. His vocals are very vulnerable and saddening. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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paisleypark4 said: Cloudbuster said: Smile is a beautiful song, it doesn't depress me at all. Mike's vocal is beautiful, too.
Sounds like he wants to cry at the end of it. I do have to be in the mood. His vocals are very vulnerable and saddening. Vocally good. But I never hear it. I remember him whistling. It screams "look at me, Iam as good as frank sinatra". "History" was too ambitious. | |
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paisleypark4 said: dag said: I looooove Heaven can wait. Have you ever guys tried to sleep to it. Ah - pure heaven!!!
Break Of Dawn too
I feel this album was a better ender than History but not a better beginner. Scream They Dont Care About Us Stranger In Moscow to Unbreakable Heartbreaker Invincible Why did he have to end with Little Suzie and Smile??? I would've preferred them as bonus single tracks and ended off with HIStory instead. But hey, every MJ track is a blessing to hear to me. I disagree. I LOVE the first 3 cuts off "invincible" way more then the first 3 off "history". Then "invincible" goes downhill from there. I was like yes, this is gonna be like "dangerous" with the more serious tracks at the end. But I was wrong. Iam sick of "scream" (I hear the jam/lewis remix instead if I have to) and "they dont care about us" is good, but ? I prefer "heartbreaker" alot more. Yeah "stranger in moscow" beats "invincible", but not by much. I dance my ass off to all 3 of those "invincible" cuts. | |
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thesexofit said: I dance my ass off to all 3 of those "invincible" cuts.
You gotta admitt HeartBreaker is the best of three. its the bridge that gets me .. | |
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ThaCat said: thesexofit said: I dance my ass off to all 3 of those "invincible" cuts.
You gotta admitt HeartBreaker is the best of three. its the bridge that gets me .. Oh yeah. I think I said it already but that bridge (or middle 8) is one of the best ever. I never thought that I would stop dreamin' about you Stop being without you But everyone told me so, to stop caring about you And start being without you But I'll find a way to go and start doin' without you And stop talkin' about you And what will she say? She will say I was the man that got away Listen to that backing vox  MJ does the best backing vox second to none. So yeah I love the killer middle 8 (it really took me by surprise the first time I heard it) and the staggering-like beat is killer. Plus the ending is funny. All them blips and beeps. It works. MJ and rodney Jerkins having fun with their tools | |
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thesexofit said: All them blips and beeps. It works. MJ and rodney Jerkins having fun with their tools
oh yeah the blips and beeps, thats quality, i mean its over the top, but michael can get away with it, he is over the top.. the blips i have to admitt were quite original and a nice surprise to that that song never a dull moment, although wait, the song could do without the RAP bit, there was nooo need for that, it think that was the only flaw to the song. Heartbreaker rules.. but my favourtie track from the album is Whatever happens that tracks stand out miles ahead it will end up being in my top favourite of mike for a while.. P.S - Your Avator -bring back Hammer i miss Hammer man, | |
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