Marrk said:

and it best be your last..

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

For Christ's sake, not this shit again...

I can guarantee you, outside of the fans -who have been fewer and fewer over the years -and others like myself interested in the case, very few people give any thought at all to Michael, let alone his race.

dag said:

see, this is what i have an issue with...poor mike? BULLSHIT!! The man was asking for it....lets not forget he has been through this once before...

this man doesnt need sympathy he fucking needs help. and i dont care about no conspiracy against the black man..(how funny that mj finally publically identifies with his race *after* he gets thrown in jail)...

the man did this to himself.....he did and no one else- radiohead (paraphrase be damned)...

i feel sorry for his parents and family havent to go through this but MJ...no sympathy from me..you get my respect for your musical genius...you get my hope that you will see better days...but you wont get sympathy from me..cause you FUCKED UP!! Now act like an adult!!! Lack of a childhood be damned...YOUR A MAN NOW!!

-and stop acting like such a FUCKING PUSSY!!

sosgemini said:

well, I just stated how I feel about Mike and there´s nothing I can do about it.

Don´t be so cruel. NOBODY deserves to face 20 years in jail for "being stupid" (- if you like). NOBODY! Damn it, if you killed someone over here, you´d get less than that.

sosgemini said:

Sosgemini said:

And this is where I don't agree. You can still walk inside a Motorclub headquarter wearing a shirt that reads "Hell's Angels are faggots", but it'd still be illegal for the motorist to beat the shit out of you. And Michael's act (in case he's "innocent" - I don't think we are ever going to know for sure whether he really is or isn't) wasn't provocation. Stupid, sure. Immoral? To a certain degree yes, you should adher some common limits. But what you should do is in no way tantamount to what you must do without exception (which is the case with the law). He didn't "do this to himself", if he did he would have started those accusations on his own by going to the police.
[Edited 5/31/05 8:20am]

Novabreaker said:

first time this happened, yes.

second time....like alexander o'neal sang, "i let you get over the first time, you do it again its a shame on me..do it again its a shame on me."

dag said:

not true...and i dont wish jail on the man...i've been following these threads and am comfortable that he is innocent...

but he needed to go through this...he needed to be shamed....i get the impression that the man thought he was a God...the way he walked around that Las Vegas mall buying anything and everything without a thought...the way he dangled his baby...the whole tommy matolla (sic?) ordeal.....its all evidence of MJ's mental disorder...*and* dare i say his allowing kids to sleep in his bed....

and his fans justified it all...his inner-circle justified it all..i honestly think (and im sure im gonna get flake for this) that Michael needs to start studying with Jehovah Witnesses again...he needs to be grounded in reality...he needs to be told his past actions were not acceptable.....that there is a purpose to life beyond self....

sosgemini said:

He didn't need to be shamed at all. The one's who deserve shame are the one's who set him up. I still see no wrong with hanging out with children. Shame you're not more open-minded. Do we really need to put an age on friendship to make it acceptable?

Cloudbuster said:

yes...Michael Jackson is an adult..for his own mental stability he needs to be around other adults...he needs to have adult conversations and conduct his business as an adult.....sure, he didnt need to be shamed but he needed something to wake him up....and his inner-circle and family seemed content with him being mentally ill...

so if this is what it takes, then being shamed is a good thing...this was not a set up....there is no huge conspiracy against Michael Jackson. Those types of statements justify Michael Jackson's continued mental illness. Tom Snyden watched the tv special of MJ and was disgusted just like the rest of the country to see a grown man holding (almost violently...dont people remember who freakish mj was shaking that boys arm as he held his hand?) a young boys hands....thats not something a mentally stable person would do...Snyden is doing his job, to serve and protect....Sure, he might be blinded by his own desire to catch a high profile celebrity (after all OJ and Blake got off on his watch...and he is jonzing to justify his career before he retires) but that doesnt constitute a conspiracy....

the only people to fault for all this is the boy, his mother and siblings.....but this is not justification for mj's behavior (and im talking about his actions beyond sleeping with boys....)...the man needs mental help. BIGTIME!!


and thats hot!!

sosgemini said:

You're right man....

I only feel sorry for his kids, he fucked up them... Very sad...
[Edited 5/31/05 10:24am]

krayzie said:

Have you even met Michael's kids?

dag said:

He's not going to get 20 years for "being stupid". No, he gets a trial that's probably ruined his life for "being stupid". He'll get 20 for molesting the kid...if that's what the jury thinks.

Novabreaker said:

He DID do this. All of the things and attention all these years...MJ brought it, Stroked it, Licked it. Why do you think the Bashir doc was done? For Publicity. So we can all see MJ as a normal functional human being. And it Backfired in more ways than one. Yes Bashir manipulated the camera to show us almost the opposite...but still MJ could have said NO.

ANd helping kids the way he does...again brings it upon himself. He could just have easily given money...gave a trip to Neverland...Hell, even personally visit kids who are sick. But NO. He lets them into his personal life in ways that NO celebrity would.

sosgemini said:

I agree with the humility part. He did need something to pull him back down to earth. Shame it was a nasty trial to do it.

Not sure about the mental disorder (but something aint right) and the JW thing? I would not wish that on anybody...well any religion really.

sosgemini said:

I would not say MJ is mentally ill. But I would say he's not in touch with society. I'd say he's more ill adjusted than anything. As you suggested he needs to be more adult and act like one, hang out with more adults.

And certainly, he needs his inner circle to stop coddling him and saying to him "yeah sleeping with boys in your bed is natural and ok". Or whatever they are PAID to say.

Just a thought here of what I think happened...in this case...

Mom and co. are grifters who have found the best cash cow...MJ. He loves kids, has lots of money and probably is a sucker for a sob story. Kids are having fun, all is good. Gavin's health is ok. Everyone is hunky dory. Bashir documentory comes out and does way more damage than good. MJ and co freaks out and needs to do a rebuttal. Mom and kids need to be around to make the rebuttal and most importantly away from the press.

Nothing has gone on between MJ and her kids as both docs suggest. Mom starts thinking... It looks like something may have happened. She decides to cash in on her cow cuz most likely they aren't going to be around much longer to milk Mike.

She makes a few calls...and here we are.

superspaceboy said:

Bingo. This all kicked off when MJ wasn't forthcoming with any payment for the Bashir doc and the rebuttal. Janut felt they were entitled after her boy got the piss taken out of himself at school, Michael apparently disagreed. The Arvizos then got £20,000 from a UK paper (the Daily Mail) for their side of the story.

there was another boy filmed by Bashir called David, who was badly burned and Michael helped him along too around the same time as Gavin. He got no payment either and didn't make the cut in bashirs doc. Presumably there wasn't a juicy angle to be had there.

In retrospect looking at LWMJ now, it appears obvious to me it's Gavin that actually grabs MJ's hand and puts his head on Michaels shoulder. Michael certainly didn't instigate that (Bashir possibly?), he is momentarily taken aback it seems.

On we go....

Marrk said:

are you kidding me? your gonna justify mj crushing that kids hand and waiving it violently during the interview as Bashir instigation?

eeks...see, ughhh....just i, uhhh...i know your a fan of his and all but....my god, im a huge janet fan...and im sorry, that wardrope malfuntion was her own damn fault..(well, her and justins)...help me understand how someone like you can put yourself in the position of denying the obvious?

Personally, I think MJ is mentally ill. I mean, look at his facial transformations over the years and how terrible he looks now alone. They aren't signs of a mentally healthy person.

Hmmf..I guess Cher is mentally ill because she has had a ton of plastic surgery also. It's funny how a white celebirty has a ton of plastic surgery and no one really pays them attention but if a black celebrity gets a ton of plastic surgery then it's a huge deal and they have to do tv specials on it.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

Cher had plastic surgery to make her look her youthful self...mj had plastic surgery to make himself look like farah fawcett...big difference..(and yes i believe he has that skin condition...but he was going for more european features..if his skin tone remained the same he would have just looked like a tanned farah... )



and yes, IMHO people who drastically use plastic surgery do tend to have mental issues...(this is where superspaceboy and i disagree

people like the following have serious issues that need tending too:

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

Race has way less to do with any of this than you seem to think.

Cher gets shit constantly for what she'd done to her face. And just like MJ, I suspect most people barely even think of Cher as human, nevermind their races.
[Edited 5/31/05 22:23pm]

It seems more and more obvious why he likes the company of kids as this trial goes on. They don't ask anything of him (just beware of their parents).

In the past couple of months just look at these thousands upon thousands (worldwide) of stragglers and hangers on who see the opportunity to make some cash or a name for themselves by jumping on his affairs. Journalists and reporters yeah.... he is SICK OF THESE MOTHER FU**ERS!

He'll never get away from these type of people. The only chance he has of anyone treating him natural and normal is through unprejudiced, unaffected minds of children.

He's not normal and will never be.

So I don't think we need to hear many more comments on his strangeness or his love of children. If you can't understand why he doesn't act like any of us or our friends you must be retarded.

For those who want to make an argument about him bringing this all on himself, first give me one single example of another human being in history who has grown up under similar scrutiny or circumstances!


Peace!

There should be a rule for NOT discussing ANYTHING that isn't directly happening in the court room. People here think they are psychologists, although they're propably not.
[Edited 6/1/05 1:34am]

sosgemini said:

How narrow-minded can one be.

Cloudbuster said:

agreed!!

calldapplwondery83 said:

i love how people up in this place try to dictate what can and can not be discussed.....when this is a freaken forum for discussion....(expecially when there is no harm being done here)....tis not like there is any new evidence to be discusses.....