I remember back in the day everything he did was great!

Now everything sounds the same.

Happy People sounds likSTEP IN THE NAME OF LOVE part 3.
IGNITION was good and I'm feelin his new single TRAPPED IN THE CLOSET, But a lot of the songs on CHOCOLATE FACTORY sound boring and unoriginal, and I've heard 5 songs off of his new cd and they are just average. He sucks now!
Anyone else feel this way

maybe he needs to get a new keyboard...
hehe

Where have you been...
his songs have been the same since R
hehe...

i crack up every time i here trapped in the closet lol
god what a stupid song lol

i'd also like to add that In The Kitchen and trapped in the closet were basically beats he stole... off of himself
main Track Rain Drops from the love land bootlegg

Unoriginality ack...

btw when the f*ck does his trial start?

I want this fucker behind bars already

CalhounSq said:

Not that i care... but
why are you so passionate about it...


Did he Pee on You?

Luv4oneanotha said:

No. He pee'd on under-aged girls. He had sex with under-aged girls. Those are good enough reasons for me

Does ANYONE care about under-aged girls anymore?? Oh wait, you already said "not that I care" - nevermind




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[Edited 5/28/05 21:39pm]

CalhounSq said:

For real! I don't know why anyone is shocked by or in disbelief of the charges. He did it once when me married an underaged Aaliyah. Why did nobody think he'd do it again? Age ain't nothin' but a number...indeed.

CalhounSq said:

Not that i care or anything
but its safe to say nobody does
majority of them bring it upon themselves, it was consensual
this aint the first time i've seen it
hell i go to harlem see it every day
15 year old girls with 21 year old dudes...
i dunno how they do it,
being with someone 15 makes my stomach churn

now im not saying their peeing on the chicks
but what makes R. so personal?
so passionate?

Not that i care of course,
he's not even charged with behaving inappropriatly with a minor
its just a child porn charge

I mean do you go around to the court house protesting all of these cases
or is it just this one?
[Edited 5/28/05 21:58pm]

I used to sing R. Kelly's praises on his first 2 albums. The way I see it. I grew up and R. Kelly didn't. He's a very talented individual but I think he wastes his time on bullshit ass lyrics and appealing to children. He is one of the main reasons that R&B has gone down the toilet and everything is so damn forumlaic now.

I won't pretend like I don't like his music. I do like some of it. But for every R. Kelly song that I like (i.e. I Will Never Leave You, Baby Baby Baby, Your Body's Calling) he's got 5 that make me despise his ass (i.e. Trapped in the Closet, Feeling on Your Booty, You Remind Me of My Jeep, etc)

What sickens me is how critics are starting to compare his ass to Marvin and Al Green. He has single-handedly tainted the respect I had for Ron Isley and the Isley Brother name offering him the same bullshit that he records for himself. For him to be considered an "icon of R&B", he hasn't composed a whole lot that makes me think he's worthy of the moniker.

As far as R. Kelly and peein' on little girls: since the courts won't serve real justice, I think the parents of any of those girls, including Aaliyah should come forth and castrate his ass.

U can sit there and complain, but Trapped In The Closet is really good

paisleypark4 said:

Nuh-uhhh!!!!

paisleypark4 said:

paisleypark4 said:

I have turds that are better material than that feces he calls "music".....U done lost ur mind.

Come on now, you have to respect this man's music even though he has been accused of raping a minor back in 2002. I've been one of his loyal fans ever since 12 Play came out in 1993. I really think his upcoming projects: TP3: Reloaded and especially his mammoth, Musical Virus 8-disc set are going to be interesting.

paisleypark4 said:

C'mon bro.

VoicesCarry wrote some better stuff than that just the other day.

(damn search function)



tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm

silverchild said:

What's that all about?

TRON said:

Well, from what every R. Kelly fan and MTV has heard, R. Kelly is going to travel different parts of the world and record recordings there. Each cd is going to be titled a different country and I hope it's going to be good.

Read this article:

Juice September 2004 Interview

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Stepper’s Delight

by Davide Bortot



Who is this guy that never gets up before 9 o’clock in the evening and that interrupts work only for a good basketball game and a visit at „White Castle“? Who has created a parallel world with palm trees in a studio called “Chocolate Factory” where he lives, works and keeps coming with superhits nonstop without even thinking about these categories. Who greets women he once met with the words “Didn’t you miss me?” and who writes things in his booklet like “I’d like to thank my boy Tyrese for being so inspired by me, that inspires me.” Who is able to let journalists wait two whole nights just to finally give them a little personal exclusive concert with an included stepping course at 8 a.m., standing them donuts and drinks and who eventually releases them into the hot noon sun of his hometown Chicago after a closing circle dance with the words “I felt a lot of love in this place tonight.” Who in spite of a lawsuit concerning the allegations of having sex with an underage woman still keeps working on the perfection of the “Now all I wanna do, baby, is make your dove cry and make your body scream like Aaaahhh” exercise as if nothing had happened, and that keeps following the big project in his life, the final merging of the physical with the spiritual, of the sexual with the religious. Who is this guy that gave a whole R’n’B generation the blueprint for their creative activity? His status as “The World’s Greatest” may be inviolable – R. Kelly has always been a mystery.

Only one thing is sure: R. Kelly is music. “I have never sen a person who lives so much for the music like Robert”, says George Daniels who is somehow the father Kelly never had and who also manages the Pied Piper with his wife Regina. And George Daniels saw many: Since 1969 he has owned “George’s Music Room”, a record store in the West Side. Most people in Chicago just call him the “Godfather of Music.” “He is a crazy. Whenever he can he is in the studio.” “He said that?”, R. Kelly grins when told about this rating. “But he is right: the studio is my home. I mean, I take a break every now and then to play basketball or to practice with my boxing trainer Fearless Fernando. That’s very important for me, cause only when I’m physically fit I can work hard at my music. But all I really want is writing and recording. I never stop, I never rest. Because when you start resting you’re through. Relaxing is like retiring.” These are the words of a man who says he has not less than 16 complete albums on his hard-disk. Two of these – the steppers’ album Happy People and the street gospel opus U Saved Me – are on the verge of being released. Together they form Kelly’s seventh solo LP release. However, the omens are totally different than about 18 months ago. Back then they said the allegations had ruined not only his reputation but also his ability to write hits. He, who till then had collected 26 platinum plaques and three Grammys in the USA, were done, a shadow of great days, they said. And just when even the basis began to complain about a alienation to a certain extent, Kelly released Chcoalate Factory, the probably most down-to-earth album of his career and, beginning with the great “Ignition Remix”, poured out a remarkable hit series: the Dancehall influenced double-A “Snake/Thoia Thoing”, Cassidy’s “Hotel”, Marques Houston’s “Clubbin’”, plus features and songwriting service for the likes of Joe, Missy Elliott, Twista, the Big Tymers, Ginuwine, Cam’ron, Nick Cannon, Tyrese, B2k, Britney Spears, J.Lo. Finally artists like The Isley Brothers, Mobb Deep, Mariah Carey and Ja Rule got their portion of R. Kelly. Not only because he has lately traded in his silk shirt for Hip Hop wear remarkably often: R. Kelly is fresher and hungrier than ever. Next up is a project with the title “MV (Musical Virus)”: seven different countries, released on the same day. And the worst is: R. Kelly is totally serious. The Chcolate Factory is already decorated with flags, next to the two mixing desks there is a shrine with the writing “Inspirational Albums”, filled with CDs from the different countries, like Germany, Africa (!) and Jamaica.

What CDs do you have in there?
I don’t know, seriously. I try not to be influenced by names too much. It’s more about the vibe: a lot of German music for instance sounds like the R’n’B we have over here, but the lyrics are different, the topics that are spoken about. This difference is what I want to study and then translate it into the music. My album for Germany will be 100% R. Kelly, but in a way as if I were living in Germany.

Do you listen to music by other artists a lot?
Actually I almost only listen to stuff that I just wrote. Sometimes, when I still have a melody in my head that I just worked on and I can’t sleep because of it, I turn on the radio or the TV, just to stop that melody. But apart from that I really don’t listen to music very much. I mainly know how my songs are accepted out there, whether they are played in the radio and all, because my friends tell me about it. This isolation is important for me, because only that way my music stays honest. I don’t do music for the charts or the radio. I don’t do it to compete with anybody. I do it because I love music. Cause I’m pregnant, I’m married to it.

When you nevertheless happen to hear your haters in the radio – isn’t it hard not to develop hate?
I don’t hate on anybody. I need a postive vibe to be able to write. See what I got on my t-shirt? “Crossing haters over.” That’s the most important goal in my life right now: to be surrounded only by positive people. If the haters are right here, I’m over there. If they go there too, well, then I go back or even somewhere completely else. And sometimes you gotta have some tricks in store to get rid of them – that’s why “Crossing the haters over.”

Is that the reason you live in this strange day rhythm?
At night I can simply focus better. There’s nothing that could distract me, nowhere I could go. At night there’s just music. Another reason is that I once started making money and people came to me to beg for some. But they are asleep at night, so they can’t do this anymore (laughs).

The studio seems to be a very prsonal, intimate place for you. Do the people you work with come here nevertheless?
Yeah, that’s most convenient for me. Most of them want to come here anyway to feel the vibe. The plants and all that keep the mysterious that surrounds this place alive.

What about “Best Of Both Worlds 2” with Baby?
We recorded 18 albums (laughs). No, seriously: we got 18 songs ready. Now it’s all about the right timing. No doubt it is as good and as important as the first one – only that Baby represents the South where Jay-Z was representing New York.

And “Best Of Both Worlds 3”?
(laughs) Hm, maybe 50. He is very talented. But these mixtape things don’t count for me. First I wanna hear his second album, then I might give him a call.

You’ve always been attracted by this ideal of greatness and perfection, and by personalities like Muhammed Ali or Michael Jordan. Who are you more like – Ali or MJ?
Ali had such a strong belief in himself that he could do things that you thought were impossible. In this point I am like him. But on the other hand I’m also like Mike: he has always been very humble and didn’t go out there to tell everybody how great he is. You know, the people should decide that.

MJ worked harder than anybody else. How much of what you have achieved was work?
I think it’s 50/50. No: 100/100! You have to take 50% talent and put in 100% work to get your talent to 100% as well.

psykosoul said:

I agree with most (if not all) of this!!!

Only R's first 2 albums (Born In The '90s & 12 Play) are classic, IMHO.

TonyVanDam said:

I really didn't like Born Into The 90's as a debut album because the new jack swing vibe is so worn out on this album.

Luv4oneanotha said:

The reason I protest this one is b/c it's one I know about No I don't go around courthouses protesting these cases BUT I do think any MAN who has sex with a MINOR (or vice versa) should be punished - it's a fucking crime. Just b/c these girls are in the hood don't make the shit acceptable, I don't give a fuck what you see daily in Harlem - IT AINT RIGHT! And you say it was "consensual"?? PLEEZE! If a grown ass woman will do stupid shit over a celebrity, what the fuck do you think an impressionable 12 year old is gonna do??

"They brought it on themselves" - ain't that a bitch???

silverchild said:

I don't have to respect shit

I won't lie, I used to really dig his music. He had some good shit (Bump & Grind remix, R&B Thug, Just Like That) & some horrendous shit (Feelin' On Yo Booty, You Remind Me of My Jeep, all the stupid shit). But I can't listen to him anymore. There was even one or 2 songs that I liked off of Chocolate Factory but I hearing him sing about women & knowing he's fucking little girls is just too disturbing. All his shit (especially the sexual stuff) is ruined for me.

I swear it's sad when muuuuu's wanna bob their heads @ the expense of young Black girls. If it's so acceptable let him come fuck your daughter

i dont want to turn this into an elvis thread, but i dont understand how you's are so hateful of this man, but elvis did the same thing, but no one cares or people try to defend it

hellomoto said:

If Elvis did it too then his ass should have gone to jail too. You're assuming I know all about Elvis, right? I don't

CalhounSq said:

oh, i thought everyone knew about priscilla. priscilla presley? you dont know that story?

hellomoto said:

I know they were married but I have no idea how old either of them were. Why do you assume I follow Elvis

CalhounSq said:

Thats the thing. Thses girls beg for it. It dont make it any less illegal, but molestering it is not. I c it all day on my estate too.


As for alliyah? That was bad and total manipulation as r kelly produced her first album. Anyway r kelly can pull good shit out of the bag. "storm is over now" was good. after that, I stopped bothering.

"shes got that vibe" "definition of a hottie" "keep it street" "she's loving me", all off his first album, along with stuff like "summer bunies" are classics.

"cute young alliyah's got it (shes got that vibe)"
[Edited 5/29/05 4:04am]

thesexofit said:

I'm sorry, did I just hear the "the 14-year-old girl was ASKING FOR IT" justification?

VoicesCarry said:

Deosnt justify it, u just gotta admit that the girl is to blame aswell sometimes. I thought she was 15? I've had girls lie to me about their age. Iam better at spotting them now. When in clubs, 15 year olds can very easily look 16, and sometimes same with 14 year olds.

thesexofit said:

No, the blame falls with the 30-something guy who's fucking them and getting off on the fact that they're 14. That would be R. Kelly.

Maybe you are a pedo after all with these sorts of justifications.

VoicesCarry said:

I didn't justify it. But yeah at his age (was he 30?) then that is pedo. But as a teen at 19, i can tell the underage girls now. At 17, I was blind. She said 16, she wasn't. Shit happens.