rant on rant on.....

I know I do, but really, modern clubs suck for my age. I was too young for clubs as a kid (am 19). I want to dance to something uptempo that does not give u a headaache (so no happy hardcore please).

Is that really too much to ask? Pharrel is so creative apparantly, that he can only do simplistic mid tempo stuff that irritates the more u here it.

WTF happened to pop?

Kids my age and younger have no idea about anything uptempo. "oh, thats just gay" or whatever.

I do hip people to guy, jacko, prince, even jermey jordan. And they love it.

I know vainandy will agree with me.

This age of music sucks so badly.

Producers got safe and can someone explain why there is so much midtempo rnb pop now? I thought a change may come. But it won't.

Rant over.

D'Angelo & the "Neo Soul" movement ?

...waiting for vainandy's "State of Mid-Tempo Bullshit" address


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm

thesexofit said:

Relax,get ready.The evolution is already in motion.

theAudience said:

Lawd, don't beleive TA went there.

thesexofit said:

What the fuck happened to your avatar ?

krayzie said:

I keep thinking the same thing. It doesn't seem right without Hammer. Now it looks like Rama with sneakers

Rama Time!

anon said:

Who is rama?

yeah my av is too small.

FalseSetto said:

Yeah exactly. Its time for things to change by now. Hey I loved midtempo rap and rnb at first, but by 1998, it grew stale.

Say it! This is something that has bugged me for a while now. Every once in a while we'll get a track like Madonna's Music or Janet's All For U but most of the uptempo tracks are hip hop focused (like Usher's Yeah or Ciara's tracks). Where are the Superfreaks, Let's Grooves and Freak a Zoids of this era? R&B needs to take it's ass back to the dance floor 4 real!
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thesexofit said:

RAMA

thesexofit said:

Size ain't everything. Besides you still have the farm.

Ladies and gentlemen.....I have arrived! I had typed my reply for a while (9 or 10 paragraphs) then when I hit "post response", I was signed out and all my shit was wiped out.

Thesexofit, you must be trying to get my blood pressure up with this thread.

Anyway, I guess you'll have to settle for an edited version:

Whitney Houston: For being SO damn successful doing weak ballads and a few watered down "cheerleaderey" uptempo songs recorded with the intent of going after the pop audience. Yes, there were those before her, but she was SO successful that she influenced tons of up and coming artists to do the same thing. All this watered down pop shit and ballads were far outselling the funk groups and they started becoming scarcer and scarcer. This left a big void where uptempo funk used to be and uptempo rap started filling that void. Rap, during that time was just as uptempo and funky as funk. Some of it was even more funky.

Dr. Dre: For being SO damn successful with tired ass midtempo gangsta rap which influenced tons of other up and coming rappers to do the same thing. Then, these midtempo ass rappers (out of jealousy because their dead asses probably can't rap faster than midtempo) had to go and talk about Hammer and make uptempo rap uncool.

Janet Jackson: For having the perfect opportunity and timing to speed things back up at a time when midtempo was first starting to take over. Her last album "Rhythm Nation" was hardcore funk and was a major success. Her new album was around the corner everyone was anxiously awaiting it. Instead, she doesn't try to beat the dead asses, she joins them with a lame ass midtempo song with a hip hop vibe called "That's The Way Love Goes".

Milli Vanilli: For lip syncing and getting caught. This made all the artists want to prove that they could sing and play instruments by doing "unplugged this" and "unplugged that" accoustical shit. I got so bored I wanted to sing "Michael rode the boat ashore, hallelujah".

Well damn, I typed a lot this time too.

vainandy said:

I've had this speech memorized for a while now. It plays in my head every night as I attempt to fall asleep.

Oh, and vainandy, what do you call You Want This, If, This Time, Throb, and New Agenda? It's not as if she abandoned uptempo tracks and lost the funk on the janet. album. Methinks you exaggerate a bit slotting Janet in with Milli Vanilli and Whitney, who never had it to begin with.
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I'm going to record it to an uptempo beat and make music funky again.

vainandy said:

After vainandy gives his "State of Mid-Tempo Bullshit" address, the crowd goes wild...



tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm

I haven't forgot about "Throb". That should have been the first single instead of that hip hop sounding "That's The Way Love Goes" which fit in with what was just starting to take over the radio.

vainandy said:

There's still funk and uptempo stuff on subsequent albums, too. Listen to "You", "Go Deep", and "Free Xone" (fonky shit) on The Velvet Rope, for example. Or "Sexhibition", "All Nite (Don't Stop)" and "R&B Junkie" from Damita Jo (the latter two were good samples in your eyes, I'll bet).

The grand irony, I suppose, is that TTWLG samples James Brown.
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vainandy said:

I like that song

vainandy said:

So why do you think it was the first single? Did she want Erotica, Pt. 2? I think not.

I'm sure they are funky but, by then, music as a whole, was too far gone for even her to change it. Yeah, there's so nice uptempo stuff on the "Janet" album but the first single was one that fit in with what was taking over at the time. As big a star as she was at the time, if she had released one of the more uptempo songs first and did very well, she might have shoved midtempo rap back underground.

I wouldn't have cared if she had sung the alphabet to a funky beat. Anything would have been better than what was just starting to take over the radio at the time.

vainandy said:

Somehow, I think you're expecting way too much of Janet Jackson. To shove a whole genre underground? What is she, Wonder Woman?

vainandy said:

It was a business decision, and one that paid off, giving her biggest hit ever and a hit that is much-loved by fans, I might add. TTWLG is a hot track, I think you were disappointed because you expected her to Save Music or something. The track was not offensively bad.

No, but I do know when an artist is hot like she was, people from everywhere will jump on the bandwagon. She might not have driven it completely back underground but she sure could have stunted it's growth.
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I totally agree.I am so sick of midtempo R&B songs.Where are the hard,fast dance beats that we used to hear?? There was a time when we had fast uptempo jams like "Super Freak","Alligator Woman","Erotic City" and "You Dropped A Bomb On Me"....songs that actually sounded good in the clubs.

DavidEye said:

Hmm recently uuuhhhh.....

Lose My Breath - Destiny's Child (perfect example of a uptempo song that RADIO NEEDS MORE OF!!!
Get Right - J.Lo
Caught Up - Usher (doesnt really make me hit the floor though)
R&B Junkie / All Nite - Janet
Lose Control - Missy feat. Ciara
1 Thing - Amerie

Oh...just about all Missy's trax make me wanna hit the flo'. We need more of that though in R&B because there's definitley a void of uptempo dance coreography in videos today...OTHER than shakin sum ass in front of the camera and pausing for a few sec.s in slow motion.

I've said this many,many times....

Jamiroquai is one of the few modern-day funk/disco bands who are still making fast,uptempo R&B jams.Their last two albums are filled with those funky,fast Old School-styled uptempo jams that most artists are afraid to make these days.

I went to the record store about two weeks ago to get one of his albums. They didn't have even one of his albums. They've been slipping lately so I'm going to look at a different record store this weekend. I had to go to a different store to buy Van Halen's "1984" and you know how popular that album was.

vainandy said:

I beleive it Vain Baby.

What, no Happy Hardcore?!?

Seriously there are great clubs all over the world everywhere. The big night clubs where all the youngsters go just play the chart bullshit, they've always had. You need to go out to "clubs", not "night clubs".