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Thread started 05/24/05 8:39am

chaos96

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Stevie: Sorry guys, this doesn't look good!

"Because when you say annihilation my friends, you've said all there is to say" - Henry Rollins
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Reply #1 posted 05/24/05 8:42am

Dewrede

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Why doesn't he just release it himself then ?
Surely he must have the money for it
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Reply #2 posted 05/24/05 9:02am

goat2004

sad


How is what's the fuss doing?...as far as spins on radio.
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Reply #3 posted 05/24/05 9:59am

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chaos96 said:

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/entertainment/story.asp?j=76284780&p=76z85y54&n=7

Bets on X-mas?

Matt

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It is sad to see a legend treated like this but, you can't take 10 years off.
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Reply #4 posted 05/24/05 10:53am

CinisterCee

cheeses fucking crust!! pissed

Wonder's album put back

24/05/2005 - 08:16:17

Soul star Stevie Wonder's 28th album has been delayed again, amid suspicions studio bosses don't think it's good enough.

The blind star has returned to the studio in Los Angeles to rework A Time 2 Love, which was given a rescheduled 14 June release, and now there's no timing on when the album will hit record shelves.

The album features a duet between Wonder and his daughter Aisha and is said to weave new technology with the piano man's vintage soul sound.
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Reply #5 posted 05/24/05 10:54am

CinisterCee

that cd single still better be in stores May 31.
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Reply #6 posted 05/24/05 10:55am

onenitealone

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I'm starting to believe that June 2051 release date.
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Reply #7 posted 05/24/05 11:10am

CinisterCee

And what is up with these studio bosses saying album's not good enough?

Are they aware of the crap they release?
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Reply #8 posted 05/24/05 11:15am

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Not good enough?
Would they like it better if he threw an Usher collaboration on it?

Man, just release the friggin thing! It's Stevie! confused
If you will, so will I
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Reply #9 posted 05/24/05 11:42am

cranshaw62

Shame on them.

Time for Stevie to roll out and get a new label or exit the freeway via the same route as NPG.

It would be nice if they had a label (A good label) for what people call "old school" R and B artists.

Rock groups, Country artists and some Jazz acts are offered the chance to record for their entire careers. (We all love The Stones but when was the last really great and relevent CD they made?)

Everyone should have the same chance.

LA Reid and Beyonce's dad can't cut it on running that kind of label.

Soon they'll be getting Patti LaBelle to record a duet with Kelly Rowland or getting Gerald Levert to feature The Black Eye Peas on a track.

UH uh, no dice. Cash Money couldn't do it with Teena Marie.
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Reply #10 posted 05/24/05 2:08pm

SassyBritches

stevie needs to speak to prince about some sort of arrangement with npg. this is sickening. its stevie wonder. stevie freakin' wonder. get the songs on adult urban radio and adult contemporary radio, advertise the record, and get it on shelves. he doesn't need to have a number one record. who cares. advertise to his market, promote to his market, and lets get on with this. he'll do oprah, ellen, good morning america, etc. this is crazy!
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Reply #11 posted 05/24/05 2:11pm

VoicesCarry

I don't even care, anymore.

Yes, it has gotten to that point.
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Reply #12 posted 05/24/05 2:17pm

CinisterCee

It strikes me as queer that "So What The Fuss" has been out for months with no album in sight.

Surely the company makes sure the album is done first?
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Reply #13 posted 05/24/05 2:40pm

Lennon

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And Stevie doesn't see the problem? lol
the beautiful ones, you always seem to loose
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Reply #14 posted 05/25/05 12:35am

DavidEye

SassyBritches said:

stevie needs to speak to prince about some sort of arrangement with npg. this is sickening. its stevie wonder. stevie freakin' wonder. get the songs on adult urban radio and adult contemporary radio, advertise the record, and get it on shelves. he doesn't need to have a number one record. who cares. advertise to his market, promote to his market, and lets get on with this. he'll do oprah, ellen, good morning america, etc. this is crazy!


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I mean,let's be honest...we all know this album isn't gonna sell like 'SITKOL'.There are very few longtime artists who still sell alot of records these days.Motown needs to be realistic and lower their sales expectations a little.It's not necessary for this CD to sell ten million copies.
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Reply #15 posted 05/25/05 12:44am

DavidEye

cranshaw62 said:

Shame on them.

Time for Stevie to roll out and get a new label or exit the freeway via the same route as NPG.

It would be nice if they had a label (A good label) for what people call "old school" R and B artists.

Rock groups, Country artists and some Jazz acts are offered the chance to record for their entire careers. (We all love The Stones but when was the last really great and relevent CD they made?)

Everyone should have the same chance.

LA Reid and Beyonce's dad can't cut it on running that kind of label.

Soon they'll be getting Patti LaBelle to record a duet with Kelly Rowland or getting Gerald Levert to feature The Black Eye Peas on a track.

UH uh, no dice. Cash Money couldn't do it with Teena Marie.



Stevie should go to Sanctuary Urban Records.This is a record label for Old school R&B artists.Beyonce's father is in charge of the urban division,and so far,the label has signed The Ojays,Earth Wind and Fire,etc. and they're planning to release the new Rick James CD.


Funny how longtime rock/pop artists and bands are always allowed to release new music,even though their records don't really sell.If Elton John had recorded 'A Time 2 Love' and submitted it to his record label,it would be in stores right now rolleyes
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Reply #16 posted 05/25/05 1:01am

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Funny how longtime rock/pop artists and bands are always allowed to release new music,even though their records don't really sell.If Elton John had recorded 'A Time 2 Love' and submitted it to his record label,it would be in stores right now rolleyes[/quote]

With a big in-store display with Elton wearing a big heart on his butt.

From what industry insiders are saying Matthew is dropping the ball at Sanctuary. We don't another need 1996 era Andre Harrell.

Richard Branson should open an Urban label. (The proper distribution and promotion will be there.)
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Reply #17 posted 05/25/05 1:26am

PurpleKnight

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I don't think it's such a big deal just yet. Maybe the album really does just suck.

If it turns out Stevie makes the album better, I'm fine with it.
The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.

"You still wanna take me to prison...just because I won't trade humanity for patriotism."
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Reply #18 posted 05/25/05 2:08am

Cloudbuster

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Wank!
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Reply #19 posted 05/25/05 5:03am

DavidEye

I don't know reliable that news source is.So until I hear otherwise,I'm gonna assume that the CD is still coming out on June 14 hmph!
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Reply #20 posted 05/25/05 5:08am

DavidEye

thekidsgirl said:

Not good enough?
Would they like it better if he threw an Usher collaboration on it?



They want him to call up a bunch of popular rappers and maybe bring in the Neptunes to produce a few tracks.In other words,they want Stevie to sound like all the other crap in the Top 40.I hope that Stevie stands up to them and takes the album elsewhere,if he has to.
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Reply #21 posted 05/25/05 5:28am

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DavidEye said:

They want him to call up a bunch of popular rappers and maybe bring in the Neptunes to produce a few tracks.In other words,they want Stevie to sound like all the other crap in the Top 40.I hope that Stevie stands up to them and takes the album elsewhere,if he has to.


Co-sign.
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Reply #22 posted 05/25/05 6:20am

onenitealone

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This is very sad disbelief

I'll reserve judgement until I know what the actual cause of the delay is (who knows for sure whether this is Stevie's or Motown's choice).

However... if it is Motown's decision, I never thought I'd see the day when this once-amazing record label decided to hold back one its' most biggest and influential artists based on record sales. Screw that - he could sell 5 copies of this album and they shouldn't give a damn. He's earned his place. AND kept that that record company running.

I wonder how the current management would have treated SITKOL?? "Too long, Stevie! Edit that!". Shameful.
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Reply #23 posted 05/25/05 6:24am

DavidEye

onenitealone said:

This is very sad disbelief

I'll reserve judgement until I know what the actual cause of the delay is (who knows for sure whether this is Stevie's or Motown's choice).

However... if it is Motown's decision, I never thought I'd see the day when this once-amazing record label decided to hold back one its' most biggest and influential artists based on record sales. Screw that - he could sell 5 copies of this album and they shouldn't give a damn. He's earned his place. AND kept that that record company running.

I wonder how the current management would have treated SITKOL?? "Too long, Stevie! Edit that!". Shameful.



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Reply #24 posted 05/25/05 9:05am

CinisterCee

He probably would have a very successful album without adding any pop gimmicks. There IS an audience for this stuff, like Sassy described perfectly.
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Reply #25 posted 05/25/05 9:09am

VoicesCarry

cranshaw62 said:

Richard Branson should open an Urban label. (The proper distribution and promotion will be there.)


Jermaine Dupri has recently been named head of Virgin's new Urban division, and many of their artists are being re-classified under that header.
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Reply #26 posted 05/25/05 9:25am

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SassyBritches said:

stevie needs to speak to prince about some sort of arrangement with npg. this is sickening. its stevie wonder. stevie freakin' wonder. get the songs on adult urban radio and adult contemporary radio, advertise the record, and get it on shelves. he doesn't need to have a number one record. who cares. advertise to his market, promote to his market, and lets get on with this. he'll do oprah, ellen, good morning america, etc. this is crazy!


Wasn't there a specific quote from Prince a few years ago about the absurdity of telling Stevie Wonder that his music just wasn't cutting it and to go back into the studio? I can't remember which interview it was. Chris Rock maybe?
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Reply #27 posted 05/25/05 9:29am

LightOfArt

I for one would love to see Stevie high in charts. I'd like him to capture the teen audience, not by selling out to rappers ofcourse, but an album with radio-friendly material would be great. kids need to be educated
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Reply #28 posted 05/25/05 11:06am

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sextonseven said:

SassyBritches said:

stevie needs to speak to prince about some sort of arrangement with npg. this is sickening. its stevie wonder. stevie freakin' wonder. get the songs on adult urban radio and adult contemporary radio, advertise the record, and get it on shelves. he doesn't need to have a number one record. who cares. advertise to his market, promote to his market, and lets get on with this. he'll do oprah, ellen, good morning america, etc. this is crazy!


Wasn't there a specific quote from Prince a few years ago about the absurdity of telling Stevie Wonder that his music just wasn't cutting it and to go back into the studio? I can't remember which interview it was. Chris Rock maybe?


actually that was his first real interview after Purple Rain, from Rolling Stone(with Neal Karlen) , back in '85:

Prince: "I saw critics be so critical of Stevie Wonder when he made Journey through the Secret World of Plants. Stevie has done so many great songs, and for people to say, "You missed, don't do that, go back" -- well, I would never say, "Stevie Wonder, you missed." [Prince puts the Wonder album on the turntable, plays a cut, then puts on Miles Davis' new album.] Or Miles. Critics are going to say, "Ah, Miles done went off." Why say that? Why even tell Miles he went off? You know, if you don't like it, don't talk about it. Go buy another record!

"Not long ago, I talked to George Clinton, a man who knows and has done so much for funk. George told me how much he liked Around the World in a Day. You know how much more his words meant than those from some mamma-jamma wearing glasses and an alligator shirt behind a typewriter?"




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Reply #29 posted 05/25/05 11:10am

Mr7

The single is out now in the UK.

That seems to suggest an album will follow, at least in Europe.

In my (somewhat limited experience) UK listeners are not as concerned with superstar producers-of-the-moment such as the Neptunes and Kanye West, so perhaps we will get it here.

Hopefully, then US listeners can import it.

It really is a sad state of affairs though isn't it?

It probably will not be until Stevie dies now that the Record Companies will give him decent promotion. Look at Ray Charles and Barry White ... . Disgusting really.
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