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1 year later: Re-Invention



DVD and documentry coming soon.
[Edited 5/24/05 7:44am]
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Reply #1 posted 05/24/05 7:47am

jayaredee

When is it soon for the DVD?
Gimme a date.

Soon can never be too soon, considering the bootlegs are dominating the market. Damn Madonna's team of losers that work for her. Damn Warner.
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Reply #2 posted 05/24/05 7:51am

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jayaredee said:

When is it soon for the DVD?
Gimme a date.

Soon can never be too soon, considering the bootlegs are dominating the market. Damn Madonna's team of losers that work for her. Damn Warner.



i have two boots, but i'm going to by the offical version. it'll look much better sound much better and be loaded with extras.
Jamie King has said we won't be let down.

set for the Last Quater.

it'll be a good promo for the release of New Madonna material.
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Reply #3 posted 05/24/05 7:55am

jayaredee

ehuffnsd said:

jayaredee said:

When is it soon for the DVD?
Gimme a date.

Soon can never be too soon, considering the bootlegs are dominating the market. Damn Madonna's team of losers that work for her. Damn Warner.



i have two boots, but i'm going to by the offical version. it'll look much better sound much better and be loaded with extras.
Jamie King has said we won't be let down.

set for the Last Quater.

it'll be a good promo for the release of New Madonna material.


It would be nice if the album came out during the last quarter as well so we can have Madonna week or something.
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Reply #4 posted 05/24/05 7:58am

ehuffnsd

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jayaredee said:

ehuffnsd said:




i have two boots, but i'm going to by the offical version. it'll look much better sound much better and be loaded with extras.
Jamie King has said we won't be let down.

set for the Last Quater.

it'll be a good promo for the release of New Madonna material.


It would be nice if the album came out during the last quarter as well so we can have Madonna week or something.


No doubt... but Madonna is going to make sure it's perfect. she's gotta prove she is still the best.
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Reply #5 posted 05/24/05 8:01am

jayaredee

ehuffnsd said:

jayaredee said:



It would be nice if the album came out during the last quarter as well so we can have Madonna week or something.


No doubt... but Madonna is going to make sure it's perfect. she's gotta prove she is still the best.


Or else Mariah will be throwing a party for Madonna's fall. Everyone from Cyndi Lauper, Elton and Janet will attend.

Seriously, i don't think Madonna has anything left to prove, which was the beauty of this tour. She just did her songs and had fun doing it.
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Reply #6 posted 05/24/05 8:10am

jayaredee

My review of the concert is obviously biased, being a huge Madonna fan. And i haven't gone to tons of concerts.

But honestly, the show was great. There were screaming girls of all ages, fags, non-fags, guys who sat on their asses because their girlfriends dragged them to the show in hopes of getting laid that night.
Drag queens dressed in all of Madonna's styles, from the cone bras to the polkadot outfit she wore singing "Holiday" during BA.
It was just an incredibly fun show.
Yes people, Madonna is not Mariah Carrey in vocals, but that night she sang incredibly well. The crowd went nuts over all the oldies. Like a Prayer was my favorite time i've ever been in church, the entire crowd sang along, it was beautiful.
Best money i've ever spent, and i'll spend it again or more next time around.
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Reply #7 posted 05/24/05 8:43am

Chico319

dancing jig ain't nobody better woot!
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Reply #8 posted 05/24/05 8:46am

jayaredee

Chico319 said:

dancing jig ain't nobody better woot!


I thought you died eek
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Reply #9 posted 05/24/05 8:50am

Chico319

jayaredee said:

Chico319 said:

dancing jig ain't nobody better woot!


I thought you died eek



i'm sure a few people wished that i had. lol but no...i've just been re-invented. giggle
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Reply #10 posted 05/24/05 8:59am

jayaredee

Chico319 said:

jayaredee said:



I thought you died eek



i'm sure a few people wished that i had. lol but no...i've just been re-invented. giggle


No way anyone wished you dead, you're the most loving and positive person here!

Now Chico, give us your review of RIT
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Reply #11 posted 05/24/05 9:23am

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I was just thinking that this morning! Ahh, good times. Driving 2 L.A., hearing the concert was cancelled, then going the following night. It was love. horns
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Reply #12 posted 05/24/05 9:32am

jayaredee

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I was just thinking that this morning! Ahh, good times. Driving 2 L.A., hearing the concert was cancelled, then going the following night. It was love. horns


Yes, beautiful memories
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Reply #13 posted 05/24/05 12:54pm

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jayaredee said:

ehuffnsd said:



No doubt... but Madonna is going to make sure it's perfect. she's gotta prove she is still the best.


Or else Mariah will be throwing a party for Madonna's fall. Everyone from Cyndi Lauper, Elton and Janet will attend.

Seriously, i don't think Madonna has anything left to prove, which was the beauty of this tour. She just did her songs and had fun doing it.


they won't be throwing a party for her fall.

they've already had a few.

she is in her post critical acclaim lull. kind of like after the release of Who's That Girl and the Erotica backlash.
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Reply #14 posted 05/25/05 12:49am

DavidEye

Damn,I really miss that tour! I went to three shows and had the time of my life.


Last year,I was going out of mind with all the excitement.Remember the crazy rumors,fake setlists,the fan reports,etc?
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Reply #15 posted 05/25/05 12:52am

DavidEye

btw....ehuffnsd,that collage is fantastic! So many great pcitures.
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Reply #16 posted 05/25/05 1:08am

DavidEye

jayaredee said:

When is it soon for the DVD?
Gimme a date.

Soon can never be too soon, considering the bootlegs are dominating the market. Damn Madonna's team of losers that work for her. Damn Warner.



These are my predictions.I admit,some of this stuff I heard from very reliable sources wink


The DVD and the tour documentary will be released as a 2-DVD set just in time for Christmas.There will be no theatrical release for the documentary.

Madonna will release a new single in January 2006.

Her new CD 'Defying Gravity' will drop in March 2006.

She will tour in summer 2006 ("The Defying Gravity World Tour 2006")


lol enjoy the calm before the storm.Next year will be crazy!!
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Reply #17 posted 05/25/05 3:54am

jayaredee

DavidEye said:

jayaredee said:

When is it soon for the DVD?
Gimme a date.

Soon can never be too soon, considering the bootlegs are dominating the market. Damn Madonna's team of losers that work for her. Damn Warner.



These are my predictions.I admit,some of this stuff I heard from very reliable sources wink


The DVD and the tour documentary will be released as a 2-DVD set just in time for Christmas.There will be no theatrical release for the documentary.

Madonna will release a new single in January 2006.

Her new CD 'Defying Gravity' will drop in March 2006.

She will tour in summer 2006 ("The Defying Gravity World Tour 2006")


lol enjoy the calm before the storm.Next year will be crazy!!


Oh i know, it will be an exciting time for her fans and her haters.
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Reply #18 posted 05/25/05 3:55am

CrozzaUK

Im a bit pissed off about all of this. We've waited ages for this DVD for the reason that madonna was releasing this documentary theatrically and that they didnt want a dvd release to detract from this. Now it looks like shes not going to bother with a theatrical release, it just seems so typical of all madonnas plans for the past few years. So many things that she does just get scrapped on a whim. Being a madonna fan sucks.

American life video banned
Only 3 videos made for the AL album, 1 of which was banned, 1 was plagiarised, and 1 looked like an advert.
American Life single choices
American Life single releases (dates always being changed etc)
No Blond Ambition tour DVD
No Virgin Tour DVD
No Re-Invention tour DVD.
Endless Kabbalah-esque stories that bore the hell out of me. We hear she couldnt be on the pannel at Cannes because it interferes with her religion! WTF, bring back the old madonna - she's have turned up and stole the show.
Mostly Rubbish mixes of her songs. Boring - uninspired club mixes. No b-sides no nothing - i stopped buying them.
Die Another Day - She got the Bond gig, and what does she do, release a pretty bland dance track...why, because she's too cheap to give up royalties to another writer to help her write a decent song.
Me Against The Music - Not a terrible song, but a pretty embarrassing cameo all the same. Seemed a bit desperate to me.
The GAP advert.....see above

And the positive things.

The Re-invention tour (this did make up for most of the above as it was a fan-fucking-tastic tour).
American Life album (I really liked this album, hence my annoyance at crap single choices)
Remixed & Revisited EP - Good remixes, live track & B-side. This is how every single should be, not just a one off.

I truly hope next year will be a great madonna year, because this years been rubbish, as was 2003, 2002, 2001. I love madonna, but not blindly. I feel im a pretty good judge of what's good and whats shit, and sadly for her i feel she's been short-changing her fans of late.
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Reply #19 posted 05/25/05 4:02am

DavidEye

jayaredee said:

DavidEye said:




These are my predictions.I admit,some of this stuff I heard from very reliable sources wink


The DVD and the tour documentary will be released as a 2-DVD set just in time for Christmas.There will be no theatrical release for the documentary.

Madonna will release a new single in January 2006.

Her new CD 'Defying Gravity' will drop in March 2006.

She will tour in summer 2006 ("The Defying Gravity World Tour 2006")


lol enjoy the calm before the storm.Next year will be crazy!!


Oh i know, it will be an exciting time for her fans and her haters.




Many fans are complaining that the DVD and the album are taking too long,but after last year's amazing tour,I can wait patiently.She can take this year off.I look forward to an exciting 2006.
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Reply #20 posted 05/25/05 4:04am

jayaredee

DavidEye said:

jayaredee said:



Oh i know, it will be an exciting time for her fans and her haters.




Many fans are complaining that the DVD and the album are taking too long,but after last year's amazing tour,I can wait patiently.She can take this year off.I look forward to an exciting 2006.


The album, i hope she takes her time with and doesn't rush it just because her fans and Warner want it out sooner.

The dvd though really disappointed me, because i'm sure she has the ability to put it out, it's just that she wants the release of the documentry to coincide with it.

But i agree, after seeing the tour last year, that's enough to hold me down for at least 2 years.
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Reply #21 posted 05/25/05 4:08am

jayaredee

CrozzaUK said:

Im a bit pissed off about all of this. We've waited ages for this DVD for the reason that madonna was releasing this documentary theatrically and that they didnt want a dvd release to detract from this. Now it looks like shes not going to bother with a theatrical release, it just seems so typical of all madonnas plans for the past few years. So many things that she does just get scrapped on a whim. Being a madonna fan sucks.

American life video banned
Only 3 videos made for the AL album, 1 of which was banned, 1 was plagiarised, and 1 looked like an advert.
American Life single choices
American Life single releases (dates always being changed etc)
No Blond Ambition tour DVD
No Virgin Tour DVD
No Re-Invention tour DVD.
Endless Kabbalah-esque stories that bore the hell out of me. We hear she couldnt be on the pannel at Cannes because it interferes with her religion! WTF, bring back the old madonna - she's have turned up and stole the show.
Mostly Rubbish mixes of her songs. Boring - uninspired club mixes. No b-sides no nothing - i stopped buying them.
Die Another Day - She got the Bond gig, and what does she do, release a pretty bland dance track...why, because she's too cheap to give up royalties to another writer to help her write a decent song.
Me Against The Music - Not a terrible song, but a pretty embarrassing cameo all the same. Seemed a bit desperate to me.
The GAP advert.....see above

And the positive things.

The Re-invention tour (this did make up for most of the above as it was a fan-fucking-tastic tour).
American Life album (I really liked this album, hence my annoyance at crap single choices)
Remixed & Revisited EP - Good remixes, live track & B-side. This is how every single should be, not just a one off.

I truly hope next year will be a great madonna year, because this years been rubbish, as was 2003, 2002, 2001. I love madonna, but not blindly. I feel im a pretty good judge of what's good and whats shit, and sadly for her i feel she's been short-changing her fans of late.


Madonna can't please everyone. No artist can. I was happy with the single choices and the "bland mixes." And i feel DAD is a great dance track with great mixes. It was new for Madonna, and that's why Madonna has had fans of many varieties over the past 20 years, some can't handle the new. And why should she go to the trouble of making more or better videos if American Life had already fallen after its first single?

As for the DVDs i'm with you on those. Madonna doesn't like to retrace her footsteps, so releasing her old tours on dvd is probably her last priority over her books.
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Reply #22 posted 05/25/05 4:25am

DavidEye

CrozzaUK said:

Im a bit pissed off about all of this. We've waited ages for this DVD for the reason that madonna was releasing this documentary theatrically and that they didnt want a dvd release to detract from this. Now it looks like shes not going to bother with a theatrical release, it just seems so typical of all madonnas plans for the past few years. So many things that she does just get scrapped on a whim. Being a madonna fan sucks.

American life video banned
Only 3 videos made for the AL album, 1 of which was banned, 1 was plagiarised, and 1 looked like an advert.
American Life single choices
American Life single releases (dates always being changed etc)
No Blond Ambition tour DVD
No Virgin Tour DVD
No Re-Invention tour DVD.
Endless Kabbalah-esque stories that bore the hell out of me. We hear she couldnt be on the pannel at Cannes because it interferes with her religion! WTF, bring back the old madonna - she's have turned up and stole the show.
Mostly Rubbish mixes of her songs. Boring - uninspired club mixes. No b-sides no nothing - i stopped buying them.
Die Another Day - She got the Bond gig, and what does she do, release a pretty bland dance track...why, because she's too cheap to give up royalties to another writer to help her write a decent song.
Me Against The Music - Not a terrible song, but a pretty embarrassing cameo all the same. Seemed a bit desperate to me.
The GAP advert.....see above

And the positive things.

The Re-invention tour (this did make up for most of the above as it was a fan-fucking-tastic tour).
American Life album (I really liked this album, hence my annoyance at crap single choices)
Remixed & Revisited EP - Good remixes, live track & B-side. This is how every single should be, not just a one off.

I truly hope next year will be a great madonna year, because this years been rubbish, as was 2003, 2002, 2001. I love madonna, but not blindly. I feel im a pretty good judge of what's good and whats shit, and sadly for her i feel she's been short-changing her fans of late.




I'm actually satisfied with all the things that she has given us these last few years.She works hard and tries her best.But she can't walk on water.Every project is not gonna be a success,and she can't please everybody.But look at what she gave us...


***The 'American Life' album,which is excellent
***maxi-singles and remixes for all the singles
***A remix EP 'Remixed and Revisited' which even includes a 1994 outtake
***A world tour,playing multiple dates in all the big cities (I was able to see her THREE times in my city)
***numerous TV appearances and performances in the spring of 2003


And before year's end,we will have the DVD and tour documentary.To be followed by another new album in 2006,and there are already rumors of a Summer 2006 tour.Let's not be greedy here lol
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Reply #23 posted 05/25/05 4:27am

CrozzaUK

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Madonna can't please everyone. No artist can. I was happy with the single choices and the "bland mixes." And i feel DAD is a great dance track with great mixes. It was new for Madonna, and that's why Madonna has had fans of many varieties over the past 20 years, some can't handle the new. And why should she go to the trouble of making more or better videos if American Life had already fallen after its first single?

As for the DVDs i'm with you on those. Madonna doesn't like to retrace her footsteps, so releasing her old tours on dvd is probably her last priority over her books.


I didnt feel Die Anther day was new at all, when i first heard i simply thought oh god no, thats just so boring, cold and clinical. I agree it was new for a bond theme, but the whole point of the bond films is they have certain trademark features, and the grand theme-tune is one of them. I dont understand why Madonna, now she's found her voice, is constantly trying to cover it up with vocoder effects.

I think actually the single mixes wind me up something bad. Of the last 2 records, ive loved:
Music - Groove Armada mix
What It Feels Like For A Girl - Above & beyond
American Life - Felix Da Housecat mix
Hollywood - Jaques la Contes mix
some of the remixed & revisited mixes
And thats it - the rest are dull unimaginative, and not deserving of Madonna.

As for the videos, well Erotica was dead and buried after the first single, yet she still managed to make Bad girl and Rain - 2 excellent vids. Im probably being a little harsh as I actually liked both AL & Hollywood vids.

I guess my feeling over the last few years is that madonna has become a bit more money minded. Rather than doing thing because she wanted to, or becasue she had good creative ideas, or becaus eits what her fans wanted, she seems to only do them when there is money to be made. If there isnt, she doesn't bother.
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Reply #24 posted 05/25/05 4:33am

DavidEye

I love "Die Another Day".It's fast,edgy and pulsing....not your typical Bond theme song,but I think that was the point.She could have easily came up with a big,bland ballad (like other Bond theme songs) but we all know that Madonna hates to be conventional.Plus,I think it works extremely well on the 'American Life' album.
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Reply #25 posted 05/25/05 4:34am

jayaredee

CrozzaUK said:

jayaredee said:



Madonna can't please everyone. No artist can. I was happy with the single choices and the "bland mixes." And i feel DAD is a great dance track with great mixes. It was new for Madonna, and that's why Madonna has had fans of many varieties over the past 20 years, some can't handle the new. And why should she go to the trouble of making more or better videos if American Life had already fallen after its first single?

As for the DVDs i'm with you on those. Madonna doesn't like to retrace her footsteps, so releasing her old tours on dvd is probably her last priority over her books.


I didnt feel Die Anther day was new at all, when i first heard i simply thought oh god no, thats just so boring, cold and clinical. I agree it was new for a bond theme, but the whole point of the bond films is they have certain trademark features, and the grand theme-tune is one of them. I dont understand why Madonna, now she's found her voice, is constantly trying to cover it up with vocoder effects.

I think actually the single mixes wind me up something bad. Of the last 2 records, ive loved:
Music - Groove Armada mix
What It Feels Like For A Girl - Above & beyond
American Life - Felix Da Housecat mix
Hollywood - Jaques la Contes mix
some of the remixed & revisited mixes
And thats it - the rest are dull unimaginative, and not deserving of Madonna.

As for the videos, well Erotica was dead and buried after the first single, yet she still managed to make Bad girl and Rain - 2 excellent vids. Im probably being a little harsh as I actually liked both AL & Hollywood vids.

I guess my feeling over the last few years is that madonna has become a bit more money minded. Rather than doing thing because she wanted to, or becasue she had good creative ideas, or becaus eits what her fans wanted, she seems to only do them when there is money to be made. If there isnt, she doesn't bother.


Ummmm, Madonna made like no money on AL. And i don't think she was after money for making that album. As for the bond theme, she was asked to do it.

And I don't think Madonna really cares about making the typical bond theme, which is good because Madonna doesn't comply with the "bond rules"
Bond fans hated it, who cares? They'll live.

As i said, Madonna isn't out to please everyone. She's doing her thing and that's all i want out of her. I didn't like it everytime, but i can accept the different paths she takes in her work and in her life.

As Madonna said "Don't you ever ever ever tell me, TO STOP."
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Reply #26 posted 05/25/05 4:51am

DavidEye

CrozzaUK said:

I think actually the single mixes wind me up something bad. Of the last 2 records, ive loved:
Music - Groove Armada mix
What It Feels Like For A Girl - Above & beyond
American Life - Felix Da Housecat mix
Hollywood - Jaques la Contes mix
some of the remixed & revisited mixes
And thats it - the rest are dull unimaginative, and not deserving of Madonna.



I agree with you,some of her recent remixes are less-than-spectacular.But to be honest with you,I don't go crazy over remixes anyway.They're fun to collect,and I buy them strictly for collection purposes.But I rarely ever play them.Remixes are for the clubs anyway.I mainly just buy them for collection purposes,as I suspect most fans do.I can't imagine too many fans sitting down and playing this stuff on a regular basis.

But having said that,I did enjoy a few of her recent remixes.The "What It Feels For A Girl" remixes are great...two of the "Love Profusion" remixes are spectacular...I like most of the "American Life" remixes,including the much-maligned Missy Elliot remix.And the 'Remixed and Revisited' EP is alot of fun,showing us how the 'American Life' album could have sounded if Madonna had gone in a hard rock direction.
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Reply #27 posted 05/25/05 7:55am

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DavidEye said:

CrozzaUK said:

I think actually the single mixes wind me up something bad. Of the last 2 records, ive loved:
Music - Groove Armada mix
What It Feels Like For A Girl - Above & beyond
American Life - Felix Da Housecat mix
Hollywood - Jaques la Contes mix
some of the remixed & revisited mixes
And thats it - the rest are dull unimaginative, and not deserving of Madonna.



I agree with you,some of her recent remixes are less-than-spectacular.But to be honest with you,I don't go crazy over remixes anyway.They're fun to collect,and I buy them strictly for collection purposes.But I rarely ever play them.Remixes are for the clubs anyway.I mainly just buy them for collection purposes,as I suspect most fans do.I can't imagine too many fans sitting down and playing this stuff on a regular basis.

But having said that,I did enjoy a few of her recent remixes.The "What It Feels For A Girl" remixes are great...two of the "Love Profusion" remixes are spectacular...I like most of the "American Life" remixes,including the much-maligned Missy Elliot remix.And the 'Remixed and Revisited' EP is alot of fun,showing us how the 'American Life' album could have sounded if Madonna had gone in a hard rock direction.



The Paul Oakenfelid remix of AL kicks ass.

the reason why the mixes are dull is the circuit is dying and so or its DJ's.

too many drugs.

i pray defying gravity is just a working title

and i'm ready for a 2006 or 2007 tour.
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Reply #28 posted 05/25/05 8:07am

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Despite my cautious and skeptical attitude toward Madonna, I have to say that Reinvention show really affected me in an unexpected way. It's hard to explain, but a world seemed to open up -- the Madonna world, I guess. I may have to check out her next tour. Although, she'll still be chipping away at my resistance...and I fear being sucked into the whirlpool with a fear of no return. eek

All right, I admit it. I'm a Madonna fan. boxed

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Reply #29 posted 05/25/05 8:30am

CrozzaUK

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Ummmm, Madonna made like no money on AL. And i don't think she was after money for making that album. As for the bond theme, she was asked to do it.

And I don't think Madonna really cares about making the typical bond theme, which is good because Madonna doesn't comply with the "bond rules"
Bond fans hated it, who cares? They'll live.

As i said, Madonna isn't out to please everyone. She's doing her thing and that's all i want out of her. I didn't like it everytime, but i can accept the different paths she takes in her work and in her life.

As Madonna said "Don't you ever ever ever tell me, TO STOP."


I totally agree that Madonna should do her own thing, and i think she does most of the time, however after it became clear American Life wasn't going to be a massive success, she did the GAP thing, she did the perfume advert, then the Britney song, it all felt a little bit like a sell out to me. Madonna is quite notoriously shrewd when it comes to making money out of the artistic side of her career, and i think this sometimes interferes too much.

For example I think her last two albums suffered from the lack of not writing with an established co-writer. She insulated herself with her producers, maybe for creative reasons, but id guess it was for money. Ive heard her say that she loved learning to play the guitar as before shed always relied on co-writers to help her write songs, and now she wouldnt have to give them a cut of the royalties as she could do that herself. Personally, i think drafting Pat Leonard in for a few songs would be money well spent. I loved a lot of American Life, but it contained no madonna classics, no one brings out the best in madonna more than Pat. I think had she let mirwais handle the complex production elements, and used pat for writing, AL could have been even better.

I respect madonnas right to do what she wants, but it doesnt mean im blinded by her brilliance so much that i think everything she does is faultless. I will like what i like, and stay away from what i dont ( i generally press the skip button on Die Another Day).

By the way, re: Die Another Day, I reckon it had the makings of a good song there. The strings were excellent, and I thought the lyrical element of the song was good, but it lacked any emotion. The vocoder, the stuttering beats, it just didnt flow like most madonna songs do. I try and imagine the song with more melodic emphasis and i hear a much better song in my head than was put on record.
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