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Abdul said: popgodazipa said: Never. Nas has benefited from an East Coast bias if you ask me. Guys on the East coast think its a classic and since they hold the strings of influence in rap for some time, it's a classic. Let me see that top ten list of yours....Nas IMO has not done anything anyone else, like P.E. or Rakim, has done better. Can you honestly listen to Nas's verbals and tell me he ain't one of the best to ever do it. Illmatic is classic worldwide, this ain't no East Coast bias here. Think back to when it came out in 94, The G-Funk era was hot, Wu-Tang and Biggie were about to blow up and you had this kid from Queens who NOBODY sounded like. Listening to him back then you can hear Rakim and KRS-One's influence, but the way he put his words together was unique back then and it still is now. Here's my top 10 Hip Hop Album of all time: 1. Paid In Full - Eric B.& Rakim 2. By Any Means - BDP 3. It Takes A Nation Of Millons - PE 4. Raising Hell - Run DMC 5. Long Live The Kane - Big Daddy Kane 6. Illmatic - Nas 7. Death Certificate - Ice Cube 8. Hard Knock Life - Jay Z 9. Hard To Earn - Gangstarr 10. Ready To Die - Biggie Keep in mind I rate Hip Hop albums on verbals strickly, these albums are filled to the brim with those. Replace #7 with People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm by Tribe or Mr. Scarface or Outkast Stankonia or Southern.... or Tupac's Me Against the World or Eminem's Marshall Mathers LP....get my point? 1 over Jordan...the greatest since | |
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namepeace said:[quote] popgodazipa said: Never. Nas has benefited from an East Coast bias if you ask me. Guys on the East coast think its a classic and since they hold the strings of influence in rap for some time, it's a classic. Let me see that top ten list of yours....Nas IMO has not done anything anyone else, like P.E. or Rakim, has done better. No way. Illmatic is a universally accepted classic. He has never, IMHO, lived up to the promise of his first album, but he set the bar so high it's virtually impossible to do so. The quality of the lyrics and production are stellar, timeless from a hip-hop standpoint. It's better than anything out there today. That's not to say that it eclipses Nation of Millions or Paid In Full, But doesn't mean it's not a classic in its own right. Even cats that dissed him over the years -- Jigga comes to mind -- give props to Illmatic. There are many West Coast classics, mainly from the NWA crew, etc. But few albums from either coast match Illmatic. So I ask you, name some West Coast albums that were better.[/quote Request denied!  I'm from the south so I'd place at least one OUTKAST and one Scarface album in the top ten before NAS. When I look at NAS I just can not see one thing that he has brought to the rap game that makes him worthy of such high praise, and his impact to hip-hop as a whole has been minimal. Tell me what effect has NAS had on hip-hop? In the mean time I will take a listen to Illmatic once more, maybe I missed something.1 over Jordan...the greatest since | |
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popgodazipa said: Request denied!
I'm from the south so I'd place at least one OUTKAST and one Scarface album in the top ten before NAS.I can understand that, I could make an argument for at least 2-3 OutKast albums in the top 10, but I don't know enough about Scarface to do the same, tho I respect his ability. When I look at NAS I just can not see one thing that he has brought to the rap game that makes him worthy of such high praise, and his impact to hip-hop as a whole has been minimal. Tell me what effect has NAS had on hip-hop? In the mean time I will take a listen to Illmatic once more, maybe I missed something.
Illmatic is really enough for me. He was an integral part of the East Coast renaissance, and the album really made a statement a la Death Certificate or All Eyez On Me. It was stark, it was gritty, it was realistic, it was humorous, it was depressing, it was energizing. And that's largely on the strength of Nas' brilliant lyricism. Now he's been hit-and-miss ever since, you're right on that point, but still. Check it out again . . . and read the lyrics from the album and check the flow. With Primo, Pete Rock and Large Professor behind the boards, what's not to dig? Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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popgodazipa said: Abdul said: Can you honestly listen to Nas's verbals and tell me he ain't one of the best to ever do it. Illmatic is classic worldwide, this ain't no East Coast bias here. Think back to when it came out in 94, The G-Funk era was hot, Wu-Tang and Biggie were about to blow up and you had this kid from Queens who NOBODY sounded like. Listening to him back then you can hear Rakim and KRS-One's influence, but the way he put his words together was unique back then and it still is now. Here's my top 10 Hip Hop Album of all time: 1. Paid In Full - Eric B.& Rakim 2. By Any Means - BDP 3. It Takes A Nation Of Millons - PE 4. Raising Hell - Run DMC 5. Long Live The Kane - Big Daddy Kane 6. Illmatic - Nas 7. Death Certificate - Ice Cube 8. Hard Knock Life - Jay Z 9. Hard To Earn - Gangstarr 10. Ready To Die - Biggie Keep in mind I rate Hip Hop albums on verbals strickly, these albums are filled to the brim with those. Replace #7 with People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm by Tribe or Mr. Scarface or Outkast Stankonia or Southern.... or Tupac's Me Against the World or Eminem's Marshall Mathers LP....get my point? Nope I don't think so, Me Against The World and Marshall Mathers better then Death Certificate? You trippin for real, Me Against the world ain't even Pac's best IMO, Makaveli is his. You must not have listened to that Cube joint, the man had a message in every cut and he did it in that angry way he was best at before he went Hollywood. Marshall Mathers??? I like Eminem but I have yet to hear a whole album of his that I can get into, sometimes I find myself thinking "IS HE TRYIN TO BE AN MC OR A COMEDIAN"? Low End is Tribe's best, along with Scarface and Outkast they make my 11-20 list. What's your ten? [Edited 6/2/05 21:17pm] [Edited 6/2/05 21:28pm] | |
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CinisterCee said: purpleone said: the album is easy to love, but cmon now.. a classic? it's way too early to tell.
don't forget this dude also made LWFC, which is obviously the better album. but classic? nevermind LWFC, what about Resurrection purpleone well, personally, i think LWFC beats "resurrection".. that's com's standard to match or beat. not saying i want another LWFC, but just an album of that kind of quality music. and "be" is not at that level, though it is a very enjoyable record. don't get it twisted. don't need no reefer, don't need cocaine
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