vainandy said:

Good question. There are plenty of straight and gay virgins who choose to be celibate and not for religions reasons. I'm sure someone will argue that having sexual thoughts, whether gay or straight, is a sin. I dare someone to challenge that there are human beings who do not have sexual thoughts

Sex being a sin is ridiculous. What is wrong with giving ur body, if u give ur heart.

Sure I have had casual sex. But we both knew the deal.

People who think sex, of any kind, is a sin may need to rethink about life in general. No offence.

Of course gay sex is not a sin either.

A MIRACLE HAS HAPPENED!. A thread about MJ´s sexuality has turned into an inteligent converstation.

Keep it up guys!!!!

A lot of homophobic people like to justify straight people having sexual thoughts by saying they just can't help what their thoughts are. They don't want to believe that gays can't help their thoughts either because they would have to admit that a gay person is just as equal as a straight person. They like to say that homosexuals choose their lifestyle so that homophobic people can feel justified in their hatred.

First of all, the majority of gay people that I have ever been in contact with, with tell you they were born that way. Who the hell would choose a lifestyle that has to put up with such hatred not only by society but possibly their own family? Who else would know better why a gay person is they way they are than an actual gay person him/herself? Secondly, how the hell is a straight person supposed to know if someone is born gay or chooses it? They are not gay so they have no damned idea.

Then there are those that are completely fine with gay people as long as they don't "shove it down their throat". My response to that is "If you are tired of it being shoved down your throat, then bend over so they can shove it up your ass". Straight people don't live their life in closet and it's about damn time that gay people didn't have to either. The same thing was occurring during the civil rights movement. Blacks were OK as long as they "stayed in their place". Well gay people are tired of "staying in their place" also. I would love to see a strong gay leader like Malcolm X, that would really piss them off.

lilgish said:

Lilgish, I know you had mentioned this before in another thread and I finally decided to give the song a few rotations and I just don't hear him say it. Maybe if I knew around what time count he says it?

vainandy said:

JackieBlue said:

Don't you know He Cries, Don't You know he's scared is the line which can be clearly heard at 4:02...the first time he says it at 3:18 it sounds different..longer, unpronounced... making it sound like he says gay I dunno, just wanted confirmation on this. I mean its subtle, but he probably would slip it in like that.


This is like the arguments I have on the Prince forum about P saying "the other guy" in Life of the Party. How many people hear him say that?

Okay, at 3:18 it does sound like "gay" but I know it's a poorly proununced "scared". It sounds less like it at 4:02.
I love misconstrued lyrics. There was a song by Deborah Cox of all people where my friend thought she was saying something about her "p*ssy". Once that was in my head I always heard that line everytime I heard that song.

::going to listen to Life of the Party::

vainandy said:

Good stuff.

I was at my grandma´s this week and we had a very interesting conversation. My grandma brought up the subject of gays getting married and raising kids, cause that´s what the government has been discussing lately and she said she wouldn´t be against it. I was kinda shocked to see her that open-minded, cause that was the last thing I´d expect from her. Any ways my aunt and grandpa was NOT in favour of that and they started arguing with us saying it was against the nature etc. And I was like: „well, if it´s against nature, than why are ppl born like that.“ They said it wasn´t common with animals. And I said: „well watch some documentary on that.“ I was kinda shocked to see my aunt that dull and my grandma so open-minded. I´d expect that to be the other way round.

Anyways I think gays should have the right to get married and know what happened to their partner when he/she gets to the hospital for example. This way they can´t. And why not letting them raise kids. My aunt argued that would have the wrong model, but I don´t think that they would turned gay if they had gay parents, cause gay people do not become heterosexual and obviosly all of them MUST have had heterosexual parents. And I think that two intelligent and responsible gay rasing a child can do much less harm that a heterosexual pair when they are both alcoholics for example.

One more thing guys...I once read about that psychological phenomenon that people love to see themselves in other people. That for example we love the critised our own faults and shortcomings in others. and I kinda thing it´s true. I have a friend who LOVES money, looking for a guy the first thing she tends to criticize in a potential partner is that he was way too much after money etc. etc.

And thinking about Michael Jackson, I must admit that my view of him has a lot to do with ME! I tend to think that he is pretty much like me. Jayrede who is gay, thinks MJ is gay. Novabreaker made this remark earlier in this thread


So what do you think guys??? Aren´t our views of MJ more about us then MJ himself?

Cloudbuster said:

Co-sign. Vain - maybe you should apply for that post. You'd eat people alive.

vainandy said:

no one is born gay. How the hell did u know u were gay when 2 years old? When about 4 or 5 maybe that possible. But not when 1 or 2 etc.....

I didn't choose to be straight

No doubt gays get a bad rap. But thank god we ain't in the 40's though. How about the hollywood stars who were gay? Shit that may still happen now and they gotta stay in the closet. Black people seem to have more problem with it then white people proberly.

Just thank ur stars u ain't ugly, as those people get the worst rap of them all now.

If anything, if ur extroverted and gay, u'll be on tv. They all the rage u know.
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thesexofit said:

It's possible, even probable that some people are born with homosexual tendencies.

Cloudbuster said:

Maybe. But its not proven yet. They say there is gay dna. Can u imagine that?

Doctor:- so, u want ur child to be gay then?"
Couple:- errrr no, I want some grandchildren damnit

I guess environment makes u gay if ur born gay. For example, ur mum watched too much gay porn when u were in the womb so that made u gay.

thesexofit said:

That's all I meant. Research is still ongoing so it's not yet fair to say that no-one is born gay because genetic coding might in time reveal the opposite to be true. I think it's more likely than not.

Cloudbuster said:

They say that about peodo's too. But I find the concept hard to beleive. I think enviroment, family etc..... has a big part in playing what sexuality u r.

But u could be right. I wonder if there is a attractive dna?

thesexofit said:

thesexofit said:

I think environment can most definately play a part in it. But I don't think that's the only reason for people's sexuality. I genuinely believe that in many cases it is predetermined. Maybe for some paedophiles too. But that's another thread.

Hard to tell whether sexuality is in genes or not, but I think I once saw a document on genes, where they said something that those genes do pass on, so I don´t know.

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dag said:

Thanks for clearing that up, then.









j/k

you´re welcome.

dag said:

Sorry! I was only kidding.

Thank you but I'm really not worthy of that honor. Besides, someone can't lead if they don't have a following. These queens in my area are too busy trying to get dick by any means necessary, even if it puts them in a degrading position. There's also no unity down here. They seem to have no pride at all. Only one person I have met in my area (and he moved down here from Chicago) has even heard of the incident at the Stonewall club in New York in the 1960s.
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None of us know too much about anything when we are age one or two, let alone what we are sexually attracted to. By the time I was five, I can remember sneaking and finding dirty magazines in my uncle's drawer. I knew by then which gender I was attracted to by whichever one gave me an erection.



Exactly. No one just decides one day out of the blue what they want to be. You either are or you aren't.
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Wouldn't be wonderful if they could find some kind of medical proof that people are born gay? That would stop a lot of this homophobia. Of course some of it would still exist because racism is still around and people are definately born into a certain race. Some people just like to feel superior to other people to forget about their own personal insecurities.

Another arguement is that people didn't choose to be gay but turned out that way because of the way they were raised and their environment growing up. If this is true, the homosexual him/her self is not at fault so why all the hate? As I said before, some people have to feel superior.

lilgish said:

nah, it's on the Destiny album. A girl that stayed down the street from me, hipped me to it. It really 'sounds' like that's what Mike is singing.I was really young when the album first came out and I used to jam the album, but always skip over that song cuz I thought the song was sorry.

that´s OK.


you´re so right.